Woj: Raptors trade Pascal Siakam to Pacers for Bruce Brown, Jordan Nwora, Kira Lewis and 3 first round picks

[ShootersShoot]

Pascal was 2nd/3rd best player on a title team and has since made all nba and all star teams...

Bro this guy is literal insane. Bruce Brown was a guy nobody wanted till he won as a role player on Nuggets. He's of little value to Raptors. He's 6'4" SG/too short for a SF who can't shoot the 3 well who doesn't defend well. Brown's a salary filler.

LOL everything you stated is simply not true beside his height

You wouldnt trade a role player that comes off the bench for an all star level player who is under 30? Are you daft?

[phanman]

If Siakam is so good tell me why he's relegated to the current 4th option on the Raptors. Why didn't Masai want to give him a bag? He's a solid 3 point shooter and defender who doesn't give you much else at this stage of his career. Maybe I'm missing something but watching him play this season has left me anything but impressed

Your clearly missing everything if you think Pascal was the 4th option at any point this season.

[Marvin Martian]

What's the point of this deal? IND is not a contender with this trade and Siakam does not fit their timeline or a roster need (defense).

Everyone will be clowning IND for this deal for the next few years

Doubt it.

This draft class looks awful. If they bottom out and that 26 pick ends up being good, maybe, but I’m assuming there are some protections on it.

i hate this line of thinking, if you're not a contender, you shouldn't try at all?
Then people complain about tanking and lack of parity. I love this move from the Pacers. They have a young superstar, why not try to surround him with an All-NBA player who is seemingly a great fit.

Hali is only 23. What's the rush? They should be focusing on player development and stockpiling assets for someone that is younger and has a better skillset.

[___Rand___]

LOL everything you stated is simply not true beside his height

Bro everything I said is true. You don't know his stats and he was on your pathetic team for how many years? Nuggets got him cheap and didn't re-sign him. Pacers gave him the bag because they were desperate. Just because he rode the bus doesn't mean he earned that ring. Bruce Brown on defense is a cone. His career shooting from 3 is a PATHETIC 33.9%. He's a short guy who can't shoot, who has ZERO athleticism, who can't defend. We did Pacers a favor taking him from them.

He was the best player in Boston series on a team who had Durant and Kyrie

On the Nuggets he helped to win a Championship, of course he earned that ring in a big way , there is no question about it , only in your head

His defense is solid , his hustle is amazing , another lie on your part

He can shoot , in critical moments he always excels, another lie

You did Pacers a favor ? It’s just LOLs

LOL you're INSANE saying he was the best player on a team with Durant and Kyrie. INSANE!!! Trade for him! He's available!

LOL you're saying he can shoot? Yes he shoots 33% from 3!!! WHICH IS TRASH FOR HIS SIZE IN THE NBA. Sure he'd be great on your pick up team go get him! I'm done with this discussion.

[Oscirus]

toronto traded a player that they werent going to re-sign, and wasn't making them better and they even got a young player in lewis and people acting like they gave up a current all NBA player. Three first rounders is a helluva a lot. Indiana gave up a lot. Much like the knicks, I hope Indiana has a second move behind that initial move otherwise...

[___Rand___]

Doubt it.

This draft class looks awful. If they bottom out and that 26 pick ends up being good, maybe, but I’m assuming there are some protections on it.

i hate this line of thinking, if you're not a contender, you shouldn't try at all?
Then people complain about tanking and lack of parity. I love this move from the Pacers. They have a young superstar, why not try to surround him with an All-NBA player who is seemingly a great fit.

Hali is only 23. What's the rush? They should be focusing on player development and stockpiling assets for someone that is younger and has a better skillset.

Hali is ready to win. And still on a cheap contract. These are championship windows. That's why you make the moves when you can.

[Johnny Bball]

I know this draft is deemed as bad but its precisely because of its talent homogeneity that picking in late lottery or late 20 has value.
I'd rather pick Proctor or McCullar in the late 20 than Collier in the top 5-10... there will be lot of steals

Yep, this is it precisely. It's a bad draft to have a pick in the top 5 or top 10 because usually when you pick in that range you're hoping to get a potential future All-Star. That isn't necessarily the case in this draft. At least, no one stands out as having a better than average chance of ending up like that.

It's why the Raps should really hope to convey their 1st to San Antonio this year, because even a top 5 pick this year could end up the same value as a top 15 pick another year.

However, there could still very well be lots of rotation players available in this draft. Most draft observers feel that the talent in the draft is essentially flat in the pick range of 15-40. If the Raps use all three of the picks they now have this year, the hope will be that they can find at least two rotation players, and perhaps one of them could grow to be starter quality.

Most of the complaints from raptor fans about the picks being in a bad draft started with people that refused to aknowledge it was a bad draft in the first place. And after reading today, they still don't understand what you both just described. That this draft is mostly devoid of great talent at the top, but does not mean its not slightly deep with pretty average prospects. Its going to be a bit of a crapshoot because of that. Put your post in the raptors forum so maybe some of them get it. I suspect they wouldn't though since they already made up their minds.

Its not ideal, but its also not complete trash.

[Dominator83]

Bro this guy is literal insane. Bruce Brown was a guy nobody wanted till he won as a role player on Nuggets. He's of little value to Raptors. He's 6'4" SG/too short for a SF who can't shoot the 3 well who doesn't defend well. Brown's a salary filler.

LOL everything you stated is simply not true beside his height

Bro everything I said is true. You don't know his stats and he was on your pathetic team for how many years? Nuggets got him cheap and didn't re-sign him. Pacers gave him the bag because they were desperate. Just because he rode the bus doesn't mean he earned that ring. Bruce Brown on defense is a cone. His career shooting from 3 is a PATHETIC 33.9%. He's a short guy who can't shoot, who has ZERO athleticism, who can't defend. We did Pacers a favor taking him from them.

Didn't earn that ring? He was a HUGE X-Factor for them in that run.

[AussieCeltic]

Trade seems fairly even for me.

Will be interested to see what the Raps do with Brown. Surely he gets sent somewhere?

[___Rand___]

LOL everything you stated is simply not true beside his height

Bro everything I said is true. You don't know his stats and he was on your pathetic team for how many years? Nuggets got him cheap and didn't re-sign him. Pacers gave him the bag because they were desperate. Just because he rode the bus doesn't mean he earned that ring. Bruce Brown on defense is a cone. His career shooting from 3 is a PATHETIC 33.9%. He's a short guy who can't shoot, who has ZERO athleticism, who can't defend. We did Pacers a favor taking him from them.

Didn't earn that ring? He was a HUGE X-Factor for them in that run.

He earned the ring like any decent role player would. He's a bench player. He earned the ring the way Norm Powell earned his ring in 2019. Imagine trading a top 5 PF an all-NBA player for a bench player. That's what this trade is. Pascal is signing the 5 year deal Pacers are giving him this off-season because this is the last big deal he's going to get and no one else can offer him that. It's a steal for Pacers.

[azcatz11]

If Siakam is so good tell me why he's relegated to the current 4th option on the Raptors. Why didn't Masai want to give him a bag? He's a solid 3 point shooter and defender who doesn't give you much else at this stage of his career. Maybe I'm missing something but watching him play this season has left me anything but impressed

Your clearly missing everything if you think Pascal was the 4th option at any point this season.

He’s a complimentary piece at this stage of his career. And yes depending on the day he’s 3rd or 4th option rn. I’d rather have RJ on his contract than Siakam making $80m over 2 years.

[ArksNetsSince99]

I know this draft is deemed as bad but its precisely because of its talent homogeneity that picking in late lottery or late 20 has value.
I'd rather pick Proctor or McCullar in the late 20 than Collier in the top 5-10... there will be lot of steals

Yep, this is it precisely. It's a bad draft to have a pick in the top 5 or top 10 because usually when you pick in that range you're hoping to get a potential future All-Star. That isn't necessarily the case in this draft. At least, no one stands out as having a better than average chance of ending up like that.

It's why the Raps should really hope to convey their 1st to San Antonio this year, because even a top 5 pick this year could end up the same value as a top 15 pick another year.

However, there could still very well be lots of rotation players available in this draft. Most draft observers feel that the talent in the draft is essentially flat in the pick range of 15-40. If the Raps use all three of the picks they now have this year, the hope will be that they can find at least two rotation players, and perhaps one of them could grow to be starter quality.

Most of the complaints from raptor fans about the picks being in a bad draft started with people that refused to aknowledge it was a bad draft in the first place. And after reading today, they still don't understand what you both just described. That this draft is mostly devoid of great talent at the top, but does not mean its not slightly deep with pretty average prospects. Its going to be a bit of a crapshoot because of that. Put your post in the raptors forum so maybe some of them get it. I suspect they wouldn't though since they already made up their minds.

Its not ideal, but its also not complete trash.

How come that 90% Raptors fans doesn’t understand basics ?

Like come on , thought this kind of lunacy is reserved for Knicks board only

[phanman]

If Siakam is so good tell me why he's relegated to the current 4th option on the Raptors. Why didn't Masai want to give him a bag? He's a solid 3 point shooter and defender who doesn't give you much else at this stage of his career. Maybe I'm missing something but watching him play this season has left me anything but impressed

Your clearly missing everything if you think Pascal was the 4th option at any point this season.

He’s a complimentary piece at this stage of his career. And yes depending on the day he’s 3rd or 4th option rn. I’d rather have RJ on his contract than Siakam making $80m over 2 years.

He's been a border line All Star every year since he's made it. Even when we won the chip he wasn't the 3rd or 4th option. Just admit you know nothing. Choosing RJ on his contract vs whatever you just typed for Siakam is irrelevant to everything you typed.

He isn't 39 man, he is firmly in his prime at 29yo.

[Oscirus]

The biggest loser in this trade, though, is Toppin; expanded all that energy getting out of NY to get some playing time just to wind up back on the bench in what is essentially a contract year for him.

[Jadoogar]

I don't think the Pacers are done. They didn't include Walker and don't have a role for him.

And they still have Hield's salary, they are still very flexible.

Is there a “beat the Celtics-now” type deal out there, given their available assets?

i don't think so, the celtics are really good but i think they could construct a team to beat the Bucks/Sixers

[Quattro]

Man reading this thread, people are wildly underestimating Siakam.

[ArksNetsSince99]

Bro everything I said is true. You don't know his stats and he was on your pathetic team for how many years? Nuggets got him cheap and didn't re-sign him. Pacers gave him the bag because they were desperate. Just because he rode the bus doesn't mean he earned that ring. Bruce Brown on defense is a cone. His career shooting from 3 is a PATHETIC 33.9%. He's a short guy who can't shoot, who has ZERO athleticism, who can't defend. We did Pacers a favor taking him from them.

He was the best player in Boston series on a team who had Durant and Kyrie

On the Nuggets he helped to win a Championship, of course he earned that ring in a big way , there is no question about it , only in your head

His defense is solid , his hustle is amazing , another lie on your part

He can shoot , in critical moments he always excels, another lie

You did Pacers a favor ? It’s just LOLs

LOL you're INSANE saying he was the best player on a team with Durant and Kyrie. INSANE!!! Trade for him! He's available!

LOL you're saying he can shoot? Yes he shoots 33% from 3!!! WHICH IS TRASH FOR HIS SIZE IN THE NBA. Sure he'd be great on your pick up team go get him! I'm done with this discussion.

Ben Simmons for Brown straight up , we gotta deal

[PhilBlackson]

We got killed in this trade.

[Jadoogar]

Doubt it.

This draft class looks awful. If they bottom out and that 26 pick ends up being good, maybe, but I’m assuming there are some protections on it.

i hate this line of thinking, if you're not a contender, you shouldn't try at all?
Then people complain about tanking and lack of parity. I love this move from the Pacers. They have a young superstar, why not try to surround him with an All-NBA player who is seemingly a great fit.

Hali is only 23. What's the rush? They should be focusing on player development and stockpiling assets for someone that is younger and has a better skillset.

you never know how long a window is going to be. Hali is good but what if Matheriun never becomes an all-nba player? What if Myles turner declines?

[azcatz11]

Your clearly missing everything if you think Pascal was the 4th option at any point this season.

He’s a complimentary piece at this stage of his career. And yes depending on the day he’s 3rd or 4th option rn. I’d rather have RJ on his contract than Siakam making $80m over 2 years.

He's been a border line All Star every year since he's made it. Even when we won the chip he wasn't the 3rd or 4th option. Just admit you know nothing. Choosing RJ on his contract vs whatever you just typed for Siakam is irrelevant to everything you typed.

He isn't 39 man, he is firmly in his prime at 29yo.

Border line all star…on an expiring. Team doesn’t want him. What package were you expecting? If it’s mathurin you don’t understand how trades work