Woj: Raptors trade Pascal Siakam to Pacers for Bruce Brown, Jordan Nwora, Kira Lewis and 3 first round picks

[Johnny Bball]

I honestly love the trade if Siakam said he would stay with the Pacers. Haliburton and pascal will be such a good duo, add in Turner and it can be great

I really doubt they would give up this package if he wasn't talking about re-signing there. This is a huge overpay for a 1 year rental on Siakim.

they is really zero doubt he signs a max deal from Indy. And Indy has about 2 years before that's a problem, and by about then with 3 cap increases and a new TV deal his contract shouldn't seem bad.

[monopoman]

We got killed in this trade.

I reckon the trade is fine given the status of Siakam's contract. The issue was you've done it 12 months too late.

Reports say that multiple teams were interested in Siakim earlier on, from what we hear the Raptors were scoffing at those offers and demanding more.

We have no clue what exactly was on the table since almost every trade that doesn't happen never comes to public knowledge.

[HotelVitale]

He is getting way more than 30M a year. He makes 38M a year now and wants a raise. He will get the max. Not sure what that even is but I imagine around 45M a year that only keeps going up year after year.

My rough calculations put his regular max starting around $42-43m and going up to about $60m. Hard to predict exactly what’ll happen but you’d assume the Pacers are prepared to give him at least close to that, probably in the 1st hour of FA.

It’s a lot of flexibility to give up but Pacers aren’t overloaded with $ yet so it’s a good time to go for a move like that. And he should be easily tradeable in a year or two if things don’t work. Contracts don’t have to be steals (or even ‘fair’ in realgm’s eyes) to work out well for teams.

Yikes. Imagine paying a 34-35 year old Siakam 60M a year. It is not like his game will age well or anything.

34’s not that old these days and the cap should climb up too, at no point should his contract be more than like the 12th biggest in the league.

But yeah the point here is that you take a chance on a bad year or two to add meaningful talent now. For a team that will struggle to attract talent feels like the $ risk is pretty reasonable here.

[tcheco]

I honestly love the trade if Siakam said he would stay with the Pacers. Haliburton and pascal will be such a good duo, add in Turner and it can be great

I really doubt they would give up this package if he wasn't talking about re-signing there. This is a huge overpay for a 1 year rental on Siakim.

Could easily see their 2 picks for a better chance of re-signing him(meaning, not 100% sure he would stay), but the third one has to be the signal they have it all aligned to pay him max and all is good

[dirkdiggler4177]

DeAndre' Bembry
Malachi Richardson
Ante Žižić
Timothé Luwawu-Cabarrot
Brice Johnson
Furkan Korkmaz

Do you know what this list represents? I give you a clue, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, and 26.

just because Siakam hit, doesn't mean these picks in the 20s are valuable.

I never said they were valuable. I did say they weren't as worthless as others are making them sound, and the Raptors aren't afraid to pick in those spots.

Also, the fact that they hit on Pascal and not the other bums is sorta proof that the Raptors, perhaps mote than other teams, are good at finding value there.

Yeah, I'm just playing. Here are some interesting numbers to look at to get a better understanding:
https://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

[Nuntius]

I'm really happy for small market teams like OKC and Indiana bringing excitement to their fans and NBA in general. Good times!

The ratings will not like small market teams lacking a true superstar.

Thankfully, both Indiana and OKC do have a true superstar

[Oscirus]

Interesting that indiana was trying to get both of and paschal. Wonder what they were offering for that.

[dkb964]

My rough calculations put his regular max starting around $42-43m and going up to about $60m. Hard to predict exactly what’ll happen but you’d assume the Pacers are prepared to give him at least close to that, probably in the 1st hour of FA.

It’s a lot of flexibility to give up but Pacers aren’t overloaded with $ yet so it’s a good time to go for a move like that. And he should be easily tradeable in a year or two if things don’t work. Contracts don’t have to be steals (or even ‘fair’ in realgm’s eyes) to work out well for teams.

Yikes. Imagine paying a 34-35 year old Siakam 60M a year. It is not like his game will age well or anything.

34’s not that old these days and the cap should climb up too, at no point should his contract be more than like the 12th biggest in the league.

But yeah the point here is that you take a chance on a bad year or two to add meaningful talent now. For a team that will struggle to attract talent feels like the $ risk is pretty reasonable here.

Siakam is nowhere near as good as he was 3 or 4 years ago. People forget but he was a seen easily as a top 10-15 player then. He is not that guy anymore and I think he will continue to decline. His game is not suited to age well in my opinion. He has never been a good shooter from range and now he basically scores mostly on drives into the paint. How is he going to do that when he loses a step ot two? He has regressed massively on defense. All the talking heads are saying he will slow down Giannis. It is laughable. I wish him the best but not sad to see him go at this point of his career.

[phanman]

Yikes. Imagine paying a 34-35 year old Siakam 60M a year. It is not like his game will age well or anything.

34’s not that old these days and the cap should climb up too, at no point should his contract be more than like the 12th biggest in the league.

But yeah the point here is that you take a chance on a bad year or two to add meaningful talent now. For a team that will struggle to attract talent feels like the $ risk is pretty reasonable here.

Siakam is nowhere near as good as he was 3 or 4 years ago. People forget but he was a seen easily as a top 10-15 player then. He is not that guy anymore and I think he will continue to decline. His game is not suited to age well in my opinion. He has never been a good shooter from range and now he basically scores on drives to the paint. How is he going to do that when he loses a step ot two? He has regressed massively on defense. All the talking heads are saying he will slow down Giannis. It is laughable. I wish him the best but not sad to see him go at this point of his career.

Just stop man, he's having the most efficient offensive season of his career since the championship, which include his horrible November. Doing so on a team that was just didn't fit all season and with him playing out of position with a team full of guys that do and operate in the same areas as he does. Even with all that said he his turnaround since December is eye opening:

October/November First 19 games: 19.9pts, 7.1reb, 5.1ast, 0.8stll on 48/21/73 in 34.3mpg

Since December 1st (20 games): 24.3pts, 5.6reb, 4.7ast, 0.9stl on 56/44/78 in 35.1mpg

Also Pascal was never seen as top 10-15 player... ever.

[dkb964]

34’s not that old these days and the cap should climb up too, at no point should his contract be more than like the 12th biggest in the league.

But yeah the point here is that you take a chance on a bad year or two to add meaningful talent now. For a team that will struggle to attract talent feels like the $ risk is pretty reasonable here.

Siakam is nowhere near as good as he was 3 or 4 years ago. People forget but he was a seen easily as a top 10-15 player then. He is not that guy anymore and I think he will continue to decline. His game is not suited to age well in my opinion. He has never been a good shooter from range and now he basically scores on drives to the paint. How is he going to do that when he loses a step ot two? He has regressed massively on defense. All the talking heads are saying he will slow down Giannis. It is laughable. I wish him the best but not sad to see him go at this point of his career.

Just stop man, he's having the most efficient offensive season of his career since the championship (which includes his horrible November numbers). On a team that was just didn't fit all season and him playing out of position on a team full of guys that do that same thing as he does.

Also Pascal was never seen as top 10-15 player... ever.

He was All-NBA TWICE! How could he have not been considered a top 10-15 when he was regonized as such? He has fallen off and Raptors fans seem to not remember that defense matters and he used to be really good at that. He is a one-way player now and has been the last 2 and a half years.

[Johnny Bball]

I honestly love the trade if Siakam said he would stay with the Pacers. Haliburton and pascal will be such a good duo, add in Turner and it can be great

I really doubt they would give up this package if he wasn't talking about re-signing there. This is a huge overpay for a 1 year rental on Siakim.

they is really zero doubt he signs a max deal from Indy. And Indy has about 2 years before that's a problem, and by about then with 3 cap increases and a new TV deal his contract shouldn't seem bad.

Just to maybe end this...at least for now....

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[phanman]

Siakam is nowhere near as good as he was 3 or 4 years ago. People forget but he was a seen easily as a top 10-15 player then. He is not that guy anymore and I think he will continue to decline. His game is not suited to age well in my opinion. He has never been a good shooter from range and now he basically scores on drives to the paint. How is he going to do that when he loses a step ot two? He has regressed massively on defense. All the talking heads are saying he will slow down Giannis. It is laughable. I wish him the best but not sad to see him go at this point of his career.

Just stop man, he's having the most efficient offensive season of his career since the championship (which includes his horrible November numbers). On a team that was just didn't fit all season and him playing out of position on a team full of guys that do that same thing as he does.

Also Pascal was never seen as top 10-15 player... ever.

He was All-NBA TWICE! How could he have not been considered a top 10-15 when he was regonized as such? He has fallen off and Raptors fans seem to not remember that defense matters and he used to be really good at that. He is a one-way player now and has been the last 2 and a half years.

Touche, i'd go into an argument about All-NBA not accurately representing the best 15 guys but its really not worth it. There's a reason why he made those teams and it had more to with injuries/games played but i'll admit I was wrong with that statement.

His slide defensively has more do with everything he has had to take offensively and him mailing it in before getting traded imo. He didn't just forget how to play it, its more of a effort thing.

[iggymcfrack]

Looks like a win/win trade to me. Pacers get a major defensive upgrade who will run the floor and can probably be at least an OK enough shooter to not ruin their floor spacing in a lesser role. He did shoot a lot better from three before he was the #1 option. He fits their timeline perfectly and they gave up as little as possible in terms of actual players.

Toronto gets 3 first round picks for an expiring asset that they didn’t really want to re-sign anyway at the number he was going to want. Seems like both teams get what they want here.

[dkb964]

Just stop man, he's having the most efficient offensive season of his career since the championship (which includes his horrible November numbers). On a team that was just didn't fit all season and him playing out of position on a team full of guys that do that same thing as he does.

Also Pascal was never seen as top 10-15 player... ever.

He was All-NBA TWICE! How could he have not been considered a top 10-15 when he was regonized as such? He has fallen off and Raptors fans seem to not remember that defense matters and he used to be really good at that. He is a one-way player now and has been the last 2 and a half years.

Touche, i'd go into an argument about All-NBA not accurately representing the best 15 guys but its really not worth it. There's a reason why he made those teams and it had more to with injuries/games played but i'll admit I was wrong with that statement.

His slide defensively has more do with everything he has had to take offensively and him mailing it in before getting traded imo. He didn't just forget how to play it, its more of a effort thing.

When you make 2nd Team All-NBA you are seen as a top tier player. Name me one player that made 2nd team All-NBA in the last 10 years who was not considered a stud?

[Edrees]

I know the news is that he is happy and going to resign there, but I still voted Raptors winning based on Indy for trading 3 firsts for a player with no assurance to extend. If he extends I"ll change my mind on the trade as "even"

I'm just glad Bruce Brown is on a lottery team again, so that's great.

[JustBuzzin]

What did we give up exactly?

You think the 25th pick in 2026 is making or breaking our contender status? Pacers were already 4th in the East before Hali’s injury. They had already beaten every top East team including Boston twice and Milwaukee 4 times.

you gave up 3 1st rd picks which are the most valuable assets in today's league.

You traded them for a borderline all-star talent. Sure you guys improved, but I still think Mil/Bos/Philly/NY are all better.

Also Siakam is a win now player in the middle of his prime. Hali needs a younger running mate.

Pacers are 4-0 against the Bucks this year. At this point, we have every reason to believe the Pacers are the better team.

Philly? That’s very much up for debate. They’ve had bitter playoff defeats against much worse teams.

How the **** are the Knicks better? Yes they picked up OG which is great, that’s really really great. But they lost two valuable players to get him and while it looks like Robinson could come back, he won’t be nearly as dominant coming back from injury and he’ll be on reduced minutes.

Boston is the only team I feel comfortable saying are better.

Good for you.

Prove it in the playoffs. Nobody cares about regular season. The Bucks blew out the Celtics do you think that makes the Bucks better?

Teams like Boston/Milwaukee have already proven themselves in the playoffs. I'm not putting a unproven Pacers team over them. Sorry if you don't agree.

[ryan in Maine]

He was All-NBA TWICE! How could he have not been considered a top 10-15 when he was regonized as such? He has fallen off and Raptors fans seem to not remember that defense matters and he used to be really good at that. He is a one-way player now and has been the last 2 and a half years.

Touche, i'd go into an argument about All-NBA not accurately representing the best 15 guys but its really not worth it. There's a reason why he made those teams and it had more to with injuries/games played but i'll admit I was wrong with that statement.

His slide defensively has more do with everything he has had to take offensively and him mailing it in before getting traded imo. He didn't just forget how to play it, its more of a effort thing.

When you make 2nd Team All-NBA you are seen as a top tier player. Name me one player that made 2nd team All-NBA in the last 10 years who was not considered a stud?

Jaylen Brown.

[Up-And-Coming]

If Siakam is so good tell me why he's relegated to the current 4th option on the Raptors. Why didn't Masai want to give him a bag? He's a solid 3 point shooter and defender who doesn't give you much else at this stage of his career. Maybe I'm missing something but watching him play this season has left me anything but impressed

Siakam is a below average shooter and his defense at times can be decent, but nothing special. Raptor's got a solid return for that. He's a better version of Kuzma and should help the Pacers but he's not a max level player.

[phanman]

He was All-NBA TWICE! How could he have not been considered a top 10-15 when he was regonized as such? He has fallen off and Raptors fans seem to not remember that defense matters and he used to be really good at that. He is a one-way player now and has been the last 2 and a half years.

Touche, i'd go into an argument about All-NBA not accurately representing the best 15 guys but its really not worth it. There's a reason why he made those teams and it had more to with injuries/games played but i'll admit I was wrong with that statement.

His slide defensively has more do with everything he has had to take offensively and him mailing it in before getting traded imo. He didn't just forget how to play it, its more of a effort thing.

When you make 2nd Team All-NBA you are seen as a top tier player. Name me one player that made 2nd team All-NBA in the last 10 years who was not considered a stud?

Jaylen Brown last season. Nobody would make a credible argument that he is a top 15 let alone top 10 player this year.

[Oscirus]

He was All-NBA TWICE! How could he have not been considered a top 10-15 when he was regonized as such? He has fallen off and Raptors fans seem to not remember that defense matters and he used to be really good at that. He is a one-way player now and has been the last 2 and a half years.

Touche, i'd go into an argument about All-NBA not accurately representing the best 15 guys but its really not worth it. There's a reason why he made those teams and it had more to with injuries/games played but i'll admit I was wrong with that statement.

His slide defensively has more do with everything he has had to take offensively and him mailing it in before getting traded imo. He didn't just forget how to play it, its more of a effort thing.

When you make 2nd Team All-NBA you are seen as a top tier player. Name me one player that made 2nd team All-NBA in the last 10 years who was not considered a stud?

Julius Randle