76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1

[eyeatoma]

Would be interesting what Sixers plan for the cap space would be. Is it really to go after Paul George?

I don't think they'll be going the capspace route. Marc Stein reported it's highly likely George signs an extension this season.

[Sixersftw]

Likely an unpopular take: Dejounte Murray and Zach LaVine are in the same tier. LaVine just has a worse reputation.

One BIG difference is the contracts! Murray’s contract is reasonable.Lavine’s contract is horrific.

After this year, Murray is owed $115 mil over 4 years. That's pretty bad for the kind of player he is.

LaVine is at $215m over 5 (or is it 4 now?). Either way, that's a $100m extra for a guy you think is in a similar.

[elchengue20]

Lavine doesn't play winning basketball, it won't change because he's a 3rd option.

Also i have some serious doubts he would fully embrace that role.

He's always been a chuker on a mediocre to bad team. And now get's payed like a Superstar. Also he's having some health issues. There is a reason no contender wants him.

[Jailblazers7]

Would be interesting what Sixers plan for the cap space would be. Is it really to go after Paul George?

We could use it to build a cast of very good role players. The top end of the market is thin but there a lot of good role players available.

Jrue
Hayward
KCP
Klay
Buddy Hield
Dinwiddie
Melton
Saddiq Bey

[ProcessDoctor]

One BIG difference is the contracts! Murray’s contract is reasonable.Lavine’s contract is horrific.

After this year, Murray is owed $115 mil over 4 years. That's pretty bad for the kind of player he is.

LaVine is at $215m over 5 (or is it 4 now?). Either way, that's a $100m extra for a guy you think is in a similar.

Oh yea LaVine definitely has a worse contract. It looks like after this season he's owed $178 mil over 4 years. I don't think either of them is worth their contract though. At $30 mil per year, he'd be making just enough to be in the way. Not quite good enough to be a 2nd/3rd star imo.

[zaz102]

After this year, Murray is owed $115 mil over 4 years. That's pretty bad for the kind of player he is.

LaVine is at $215m over 5 (or is it 4 now?). Either way, that's a $100m extra for a guy you think is in a similar.

Oh yea LaVine definitely has a worse contract. Looks like after this year he's owed $178 mil over 4 years.

I don't think either of them is worth their contract though. Murray at ~$30 mil per year would be another situation of good, but not good enough for this team.

It doesn't hit $30M+ until the last year, '27/'28, which is approximately 19% of the cap (equivalent to about $25M this year). I understand the reluctance, but I personally think the contract is pretty reasonable unless he completely ****s the bed.

[ProcessDoctor]

LaVine is at $215m over 5 (or is it 4 now?). Either way, that's a $100m extra for a guy you think is in a similar.

Oh yea LaVine definitely has a worse contract. Looks like after this year he's owed $178 mil over 4 years.

I don't think either of them is worth their contract though. Murray at ~$30 mil per year would be another situation of good, but not good enough for this team.

It doesn't hit $30M+ until the last year, '27/'28, which is approximately 19% of the cap (equivalent to about $25M this year). I understand the reluctance, but I personally think the contract is pretty reasonable unless he completely ****s the bed.

That's what the "~" means.

To be exact, he'll average $28.5 mil over the next 4 seasons *after this season.*

All that to say, he won't be a good enough 3rd best player on a championship team.

[ivysixer2000]

One BIG difference is the contracts! Murray’s contract is reasonable.Lavine’s contract is horrific.

After this year, Murray is owed $115 mil over 4 years. That's pretty bad for the kind of player he is.

LaVine is at $215m over 5 (or is it 4 now?). Either way, that's a $100m extra for a guy you think is in a similar.

LaVine is signed til 2027, so it would be 3.5 years if we got him mid-season.

Morey is a star hunter, we have seen it alot. He has overpaid for Russ and CP3, even when I knew it wasn't going to work. Murray isn't and will never be a superstar. LaVine, on the other hand, can be a superstar.

Everything is a gamble, LaVine is unhappy in Chicago so he's 'hurt'. He's the only thing left that could move the needle, the rest will still allow us to lose in the 2nd round, gracefully.

We take a chance every time Jojo takes the court, I would seriously have to think about rolling the dice on LaVine. Championships are won aggressively, its a risk but if he wants to ball it changes everything here. First option, second option, third option, whatever. If the game is on the line last shot, I'd rather have LaVine than not for this team.

[M2J]

Oh yea LaVine definitely has a worse contract. Looks like after this year he's owed $178 mil over 4 years.

I don't think either of them is worth their contract though. Murray at ~$30 mil per year would be another situation of good, but not good enough for this team.

It doesn't hit $30M+ until the last year, '27/'28, which is approximately 19% of the cap (equivalent to about $25M this year). I understand the reluctance, but I personally think the contract is pretty reasonable unless he completely ****s the bed.

That's what the "~" means.

To be exact, he'll average $28.5 mil over the next 4 seasons *after this season.*

All that to say, he won't be a good enough 3rd best player on a championship team.

His contract allows him to be a third or fourth best player on a championship team. You can keep Tobias as long as you keep him signed to a reasonable deal in offseason.

If you're a championship team has an MVP level player and title level depth (not Detroit type depth 76iology is talking about) with him as a third or fourth option. That's really good.

[Skates]

Lavine would move the needle in the opposite direction, terrible D, worse contract, injury concerns, other than that he is awesome.

Morey has his alpha and beta stars already on this team, add a pairing like Murray and Bruce Brown to fill out needed roles while keeping Harris and Melton and Batum and you have a team that can contend with Boston.

[M2J]

I just dont like Murray,seems like a empty stats guy. I know Lavine isnt all that, but i prefer him than Dejonte. He´s an explosive scorer, can handle a bit, has good size( i think he can be a decent defender here) and would be make things way easier to Maxey. Brogdon would be ideal.

Empty stat guys (whether I agree or disagree) can help you win if they're not a top option.

I have watched some hawks games recently. I like him, he's had some explosive games that have carried them to victories, big shots too. I trust the shot, because I know the idea last year was for Trae to play off the ball more and he fought against that. So Murray got in the lab and has made himself a really good off ball threat, and he has a quick trigger and not afraid... The beauty of him is because of his overall abilities the issues that come in the playoffs are lessened... Especially now that Maxey has a green light and isn't afraid, and there isn't a ball stopping choker in Harden or Ben . Teams overload on Joel and he doesn't have Joker like passing, But having another aggressive playmaker that can penetrate and create his shot or others is a big deal. 2 of them is better, especially if Tobi is hanging around too. They should be able to feast on the coverages Joel creates

Dejounte Murray just hit another game winner. Buzzer beater

[Mik317]

Pascal to the Pacers for Brown and 3 picks

again because the players we have to offer are washed and our picks are obvious mid...our offers are going to come from desperate teams looking to save money or stupid teams.

The Clippers unprotected pick is worth more than the 3 1st round picks the Pacers traded.

Is it tho?

Yeah their core is old but Balmer has deep ass pockets and will want at least a solid product for his shiny new stadium...I feel like there is a chance that pick is more mid than a lottery pick.

Of course the moment we trade it ...it will be a lock number one overall in a generational draft lol

[NYSixersFan]

Pascal to the Pacers for Brown and 3 picks

again because the players we have to offer are washed and our picks are obvious mid...our offers are going to come from desperate teams looking to save money or stupid teams.

The Clippers unprotected pick is worth more than the 3 1st round picks the Pacers traded.

Is it tho?

Yeah their core is old but Balmer has deep ass pockets and will want at least a solid product for his shiny new stadium...I feel like there is a chance that pick is more mid than a lottery pick.

Of course the moment we trade it ...it will be a lock number one overall in a generational draft lol

two of the picks the Pacers traded were for this year. both picks will be in the 18-30 range in a crap draft.

Leonard, George and Harden will be gone or useless by 2028. I'm sure they'll get someone, but who knows. The unknown is more valuable than the known in this situation.

[LeonJordanJr24]

I'd do Tobias for miles bridges without a heso.

[Eyeamok]

Lavine would move the needle in the opposite direction, terrible D, worse contract, injury concerns, other than that he is awesome.

Morey has his alpha and beta stars already on this team, add a pairing like Murray and Bruce Brown to fill out needed roles while keeping Harris and Melton and Batum and you have a team that can contend with Boston.

Every time I read this post it gets better and better.

[76ciology]

Would be interesting what Sixers plan for the cap space would be. Is it really to go after Paul George?

I don't think they'll be going the capspace route. Marc Stein reported it's highly likely George signs an extension this season.

Options look bleak right now.

[M2J]

Watch on YouTube

Loving the Pat Bev experience

[Murray_17]

I'd do Tobias for miles bridges without a heso.

That's why you're not a GM

[76ciology]

In the last 6 games since his return, Zach Lavine has the third highest on vs off NetRtg for the Bulls, behind Demar and Vucevic. He has been playing winning basketball lately and its something to be monitored.

Zach Lavine scores atleast 60TS% for the Bulls in the last 3 seasons.

[76ciology]

We’re looking for:
- smaller upgrades this season
- maintain cap space
- maintain draft picks

What does it look like?