Josh Giddey Cleared of Innapropriate Relationship Allegations

[kenwood3333]

The case could reopen when the minor's family decides to cooperate, so its not "closed". Maybe this is intentional.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Lol, what? Only pedos think this with an underaged person having sex with anyone they wish, so your post has me concerned.

Wtf, I didn't say that. Slander.

[GrandTheftRondo]

Age of consent in Oklahoma is 16

Wasn't being investigated by any police department in Oklahoma.

This is sort of where this whole thing is pretty wild.

Regardless of what may or may not have happened.

In one state it may well be legal. In another it’s legal.

Not that I think Giddey would even be aware of this.

Based off everything that has come out and assuming it has merit, he appears to be another young naive NBA player that has made a stupid decision.

In saying that, I remember clubbing when I turned 18 and in my early 20s, there’s always underage girls passing for 18+. I remember walking to a club once and me and some friends were talking to these girls. Easily looked 20+, they told us they were 16.

Some girls will just lie, just like some guys say they’re older or younger.

Would imagine there’s a lot of people with stories to tell about this sort of thing.

[Rainwater]

Lol he wasn't "cleared" of anything. The girl and her family did not want to cooperate. We can speculate as to why.

It means he's (presumably) legally cleared. It doesn't, necessarily, prove he's a man of outstanding character who has done no wrong and everyone needs to apologize to.

People often fail to cooperate because it's just not worth it for them to go through the legal process. But more will probably come out anyways.

People like you two are what's wrong with the world today. You have ZERO proof of anything yet you still go.. "yeah he's still probably guilty."

Yeah, these are the people I hate. They don’t sh*t yet they think they do. But they get the most attention.

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

Sure, but he still banged a minor if that's case.

Sure, in a pure legal sense. If a husband spanks his wife without consent during sex he has committed assault in a pure legal sense too.

Sometimes the world would be better off learning some context in the grey areas....especially when no one is saying they have had a crime committed against them.

You argument pre supposes that getting the "OK" makes this action not a crime. That's not really the case here, they just don't have enough to move forward.

In reality, no one involved is saying they have been hurt or have a problem and it only became public knowledge from the girl's social media in a context where she seemed proud of herself.

My argument isn't about what makes a crime in a legal sense and it's not about getting the OK. Your initial statement about a witness makes sense if the witness believed they had witnessed a crime to report. However if the witness doesn't believe they've witnessed a crime and there is no victim, did the tree really fall in the woods?

Can't say I give a **** beyond that too much...if you're looking for a wider discussion about crime or technicalities, I can't say I can be bothered sorry.

[NotaHypeJob]

Lot of weird people in this thread who want having sex with 16 years old to be okay

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Sure, in a pure legal sense. If a husband spanks his wife without consent during sex he has committed assault in a pure legal sense too.

Sometimes the world would be better off learning some context in the grey areas....especially when no one is saying they have had a crime committed against them.

You argument pre supposes that getting the "OK" makes this action not a crime. That's not really the case here, they just don't have enough to move forward.

In reality, no one involved is saying they have been hurt or have a problem and it only became public knowledge from the girl's social media in a context where she seemed proud of herself.

My argument isn't about what makes a crime in a legal sense and it's not about getting the OK. Your initial statement about a witness makes sense if the witness believed they had witnessed a crime to report. However if the witness doesn't believe they've witnessed a crime and there is no victim, did the tree really fall in the woods?

Can't say I give a **** beyond that too much...if you're looking for a wider discussion about crime or technicalities, I can't say I can be bothered sorry.

There's all sorts of strange situations that can happen, when talking about child molestation.

[afarmenian]

Age of consent in Oklahoma is 16

Wasn't being investigated by any police department in Oklahoma.

This is sort of where this whole thing is pretty wild.

Regardless of what may or may not have happened.

In one state it may well be legal. In another it’s legal.

this is what the conversation should be, its ridiculous cali doesnt have a romeo and juliet law. If it were 18 and 17 that would still be a crime and that is borderline insane. At some point there should be a cutoff sure but if we are literally still calling you something teen why are you wasting judicial resources on such petty stuff.

[WarriorGM]

Same people who want to invade the privacy of other people and protect the fetus/baby/girl even if the fetus/baby/girl in this case is saying I don't ****ing want your help.

[KdoubleDees23]

Truth is

He met her when 19 and he was at an 18 year old and over bar . Hooked up with her all weekend , and found out after the real age.

[Rainwater]

The case could reopen when the minor's family decides to cooperate, so its not "closed". Maybe this is intentional.

Where are you getting this information that the reason the case ended was because they did not cooperate? No details were given about the investigation. What if they closed it because they didn’t find anything?

[Baz]

Can I just say from a mostly 'male' board (I get thats an assumption but it's probably a fairly solid one) It's pretty disappointing seeing some of the reactions here.

This kind of attitude and sentiment demolishes a lot of Men every year.

What we know is there is 0 real proof he did anything wrong, yet the amount of people who jumped onto the accusations as if they were 100% true and still consider him as guilty and make up reasons such as 'the NBA paid them off' is pathetic.

Could the allegations be true? Sure. Is anything proven? No

So before you get up in your feels and assume guilt before anything is proven, remember that you could be the next Male being accused of something without proof and have your life ruined very easily.

I've seen it done, and it will continue to happen with these horrid attitudes.

That is true but it is also true that it's dangerous to jump to the defense of an accused offender without at least some level of skeptisism because in most cases, let's be honest, it's almost impossible to prove. The Giddey stuff is not nearly on the same level, but I have two female friends who were sexually assaulted. Both of them did not even take it to the police because they knew there wouldn't be justice. And they are both severely damaged because of it, in therapy, one of them now on a high dose of an antidepressant, and they have to live with that trauma. I knew them before and after these assaults took place and they are not the same people they were. Auto believing accusers is not the way but they should be taken seriously at least.

There is a difference between jumping to his defense, and simply pointing out that claming guilt with 0 evidence, even circumstantial is dangerous and impactful.

It's horrible that friends of yours have gone through this and we often make assumptions based on past experiences, or experiences from those in our lives.

I have a close friend that ended their life after a number of false accusations (from 2 seperate females) of which they came out 2 years later riddled in guilt stating they just wanted to punish him for breaking up with their friend.

People sometimes forget how damaging it can be on the other end of these accusations.

I completely get how it would ruin someone's life the other way, I'm sorry about your friend. There are some truly F'ed up people out there. It's so difficult to navigate SA accusations when it is mostly impossible to prove. I actually don't know how you can do it to be completely honest. I think as males though we can do a better job of calling out behaviour that isn't right where we see it around us.

[GrandTheftRondo]

Lot of weird people in this thread who want having sex with 16 years old to be okay

It’s actually legal in a lot of places.

If I was 20, I would have found it weird and creepy dating a 16 year old. But in the eyes of the law where I live it’s legal.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

You don't think any person has ever been cleared of a crime they committed? Actually, you don't think that happens quite often?

Bro what crime?

Giddey didnt commit a crime....

So what are you on about...

Seriously, Baz deserves to be jumped all over for his stance.

Has he never heard of the presumption of innocence and innocent until proven guilty?!?

By definition, in the eyes of the law(and nobody else's eyes mean a thing), since he's not been found guilty of any crimes, he is innocent of what amounts only to a pile of innuendo.

Hey Baz, tell us about all the underage girls you've molested? I don't have a shred of proof you've done that but we can't really know for sure that you never did so I'm suspicious.

I'm a 49ers fan and used to post on a 49ers forum back in the day.

One day, a player was accused of something with no evidence and a dude posted "We must believe all accusations, no matter what, evidence doesn't matter!"

So I replied that the poster PM'd me a threatening message and should be immediately removed from the forum. Then said I didn't have any proof to back it up, but by his own logic, it shouldn't matter and he should be banned.

The mods didn't find it nearly as funny as I did and I have not been back since.

[GrandTheftRondo]

Bro what crime?

Giddey didnt commit a crime....

So what are you on about...

Seriously, Baz deserves to be jumped all over for his stance.

Has he never heard of the presumption of innocence and innocent until proven guilty?!?

By definition, in the eyes of the law(and nobody else's eyes mean a thing), since he's not been found guilty of any crimes, he is innocent of what amounts only to a pile of innuendo.

Hey Baz, tell us about all the underage girls you've molested? I don't have a shred of proof you've done that but we can't really know for sure that you never did so I'm suspicious.

I'm a 49ers fan and used to post on a 49ers forum back in the day.

One day, a player was accused of something with no evidence and a dude posted "We must believe all accusations, no matter what, evidence doesn't matter!"

So I replied that the poster PM'd me a threatening message and should be immediately removed from the forum. Then said I didn't have any proof to back it up, but by his own logic, it shouldn't matter and he should be banned.

The mods didn't find it nearly as funny as I did and I have not been back since.

I think what’s most concerning these days is people very quickly believe anything posted on social media.

But when it comes to actual cases in a court of law where people are proven to be guilty with verified evidence, they will just deny that said person is actually guilty.

Strange world we live in

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Lot of weird people in this thread who want having sex with 16 years old to be okay

...or people that think evidence is more important than a claim?

But hey, if you want to believe everyone is guilty of any accusation ever made with no proof, have at it.

[NotaHypeJob]

Lot of weird people in this thread who want having sex with 16 years old to be okay

...or people that think evidence is more important than a claim?

But hey, if you want to believe everyone is guilty of any accusation ever made with no proof, have at it.

Hit dog hollers

[WarriorGM]

Lot of weird people in this thread who want having sex with 16 years old to be okay

It’s actually legal in a lot of places.

If I was 20, I would have found it weird and creepy dating a 16 year old. But in the eyes of the law where I live it’s legal.

The CDC has said that an estimated 55% of people by the time they turn 18 have had sex. If that is remotely true, what is the really weird stance?

[NotaHypeJob]

Lot of weird people in this thread who want having sex with 16 years old to be okay

It’s actually legal in a lot of places.

If I was 20, I would have found it weird and creepy dating a 16 year old. But in the eyes of the law where I live it’s legal.

Yep, that ish is nasty and makes me look at that person like a true scumbag

[NotaHypeJob]

Lot of weird people in this thread who want having sex with 16 years old to be okay

It’s actually legal in a lot of places.

If I was 20, I would have found it weird and creepy dating a 16 year old. But in the eyes of the law where I live it’s legal.

The CDC has said that an estimated 55% of people by the time they turn 18 have had sex. If that is remotely true, what is the really weird stance?

The weird stance is trying to have sex with a 16 year old as an adult