Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0

[CarraT]

Murray vs Simons tonight:

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But ... but ... we have Fultz and Cole, teammates love them, so never do any trades again to not mess up team chemistry

[Australianmagic]

With the talk of dealing again with the bulls.

I was wondering what everyone thought about the following three team deal.

Orlando trades Fultz to Chicago and Wendell Carter Jr to Sacramento Kings

Chicago trades Vucevic and Colby White to Orlando

Sacramento trade Javale McGee and Davion Mitchell to Chicago.

It might need a little extra pick capital involved.

A second trade I would like explored

Orlando trades Okeke / Harris / Bilatzde / Denver pick

Washington trades Kispert / Gafford

It would give us the following rotation.

PG White / Anthony /Black
SG Suggs/ Ingles
SF F Wagner / Kispert
PF Banchero / Issac
C Vucevic /Gafford / Wagner

[Skybox]

I'm always offering WCJ because I think he's got more value to others (potentially), but I'd be very happy to keep him as a multi-position bench guy. It was good seeing him out there with Isaac. That's a heck of a big man rotation - if they can stay healthy...

IDK if ATL is really interested in a sell-off rather than a re-tool. But, if picks and cap space are what they want, I'd be happy to oblige...

ATL sends Murray & AJ Griffin
ORL sends Fultz & Chuma plus 24 frp (top 5), 26 frp (top 5), DEN 25 frp
*If picks aren't their thing...maybe a 3 way.

Griffin is a recent frp who shot lights out with Paolo at Duke and also for ATL when he got PT. Somehow, Bey moved him basically out of the rotation and I'd love to get him relatively cheap. Murray is an obvious fit and I felt like his audition went well . Seriously, what were we going to get with those draft picks vs proven talent on a decent deal without trading anyone who should even be playing for us. We'd still have enough cap space to make a serious run at upgrading C to Claxton this summer or just retaining Goga. Ideally, IMO, health permitting...If Isaac proves unreliable in the second half of the season, waive him and throw money at Clax. That's a lot of depth and talent without breaking the bank...we could make noise this season if they came together quickly.

Isaac/Goga/M. Wagner
Paolo/WCJ
Franz/Ingles/Houstan
Suggs/Griffin/Jett
Murray/Cole/Black

[pepe1991]

Why execlly are we trying to get rid of Wendell so hard?

Mortiz can't play offense ; Isaac is broken 70% of a season and Goga is free agent very soon?

[tiderulz]

Why execlly are we trying to get rid of Wendell so hard?

Mortiz can't play offense ; Isaac is broken 70% of a season and Goga is free agent very soon?

i think its because he has the most value of tradeable players and history has shown you can get by with average centers. If Goga wants too much, get another.

[Knightro]

Why execlly are we trying to get rid of Wendell so hard?

Mortiz can't play offense ; Isaac is broken 70% of a season and Goga is free agent very soon?

Moritz is a perfectly acceptable backup center making perfectly acceptable backup center money IMO.

Goga is a free agent this summer, but if they trade Carter, then the starting center spot would obviously be his and I can’t imagine he’d leave that situation when it’s unlikely he has a starting gig someplace else.

[Furinkazan]

no ty Ive watched enough of Vucevic in my lifetime

[Skybox]

Why execlly are we trying to get rid of Wendell so hard?

Mortiz can't play offense ; Isaac is broken 70% of a season and Goga is free agent very soon?

Moritz is a perfectly acceptable backup center making perfectly acceptable backup center money IMO.

Goga is a free agent this summer, but if they trade Carter, then the starting center spot would obviously be his and I can’t imagine he’d leave that situation when it’s unlikely he has a starting gig someplace else.

Exactly...I'd take my chances and maybe even shoot for Claxton...it could be a pretty ideal situation for him to shine too.

I'm definitely not looking to "dump" WCJ...just willing to move him and he's good. Too many want to trade MacLung for Simons

[pepe1991]

Why execlly are we trying to get rid of Wendell so hard?

Mortiz can't play offense ; Isaac is broken 70% of a season and Goga is free agent very soon?

Moritz is a perfectly acceptable backup center making perfectly acceptable backup center money IMO.

Goga is a free agent this summer, but if they trade Carter, then the starting center spot would obviously be his and I can’t imagine he’d leave that situation when it’s unlikely he has a starting gig someplace else.

Exactly...I'd take my chances and maybe even shoot for Claxton...it could be a pretty ideal situation for him to shine too.

I'm definitely not looking to "dump" WCJ...just willing to move him and he's good. Too many want to trade MacLung for Simons

But if you DON'T end up with upgrade at C and get rid of Wendell, are you really going into "playoff or bust" season with Goga, Moritz & Isaac as your center rotation ?
Not to mention importance of good center if you get to a playoffs and lineup of Cs to face are:
Embiid, Turner, Porzingis, Allen, Lopez etc.

I think it's premature. I think Goga plays every game as it's his last, because it actually may be, as he was on his exit doors before Orlando.
Mortiz plays hard but due lack of mobility & insticts will alway suck on defense no matter what.
Isaac...he might sleep on wrong side and miss whole next season for it.

It's very dangerous game. Is Claxton really worth some 4 years, $150M and that much of upgrade over Wendell ?

I think people like novelity of Goga more than they like player. He is sloooowfooted C who right now isn't being targeted by lot of guards because our guards are doing fine job defending pick&roll. But once that becomes soul purpose of opposing offense, in playoffs, he will be on skates very often.

[eyriq]

Claxton should be priority #1 in free agency. I wonder if WePark agrees. Other priorities are improving availability by swapping out injury prone players and improving three point volume and accuracy by upgrading backup SG.

I think AB is the starting PG, full stop. Suggs is the starting SG, full stop. Cole is the backup PG, full stop. Whatever full stop means, it's my serious face.

I'll geek out if we trade for a starting PG but also mourn for AB a bit since I love the kid and his game.

I'll be even more geeked out if we trade for a sharp shooter that comes off the bench. That's the role I'd focus a trade on.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Claxton should be priority #1 in free agency. I wonder if WePark agrees. Other priorities are improving availability by swapping out injury prone players and improving three point volume and accuracy by upgrading backup SG.

I think AB is the starting PG, full stop. Suggs is the starting SG, full stop. Cole is the backup PG, full stop. Whatever full stop means, it's my serious face.

I'll geek out if we trade for a starting PG but also mourn for AB a bit since I love the kid and his game.

I'll be even more geeked out if we trade for a sharp shooter that comes off the bench. That's the role I'd focus a trade on.

It’s very obvious what should happen by February 9th. We will see if it does and then FA period will be interesting as well.

[The-Stallion70]

I'd put every asset on the table for Dejounte besides Paolo and Franz.

We need to take our shot with them the same way Indiana is doubling down and grabbing Siakam.

[JoshuaPotter]

Claxton should be priority #1 in free agency. I wonder if WePark agrees. Other priorities are improving availability by swapping out injury prone players and improving three point volume and accuracy by upgrading backup SG.

I think AB is the starting PG, full stop. Suggs is the starting SG, full stop. Cole is the backup PG, full stop. Whatever full stop means, it's my serious face.

I'll geek out if we trade for a starting PG but also mourn for AB a bit since I love the kid and his game.

I'll be even more geeked out if we trade for a sharp shooter that comes off the bench. That's the role I'd focus a trade on.

+1 I do not see the org dropping their investments in these players as they are our most recent commitments.

- Cole again, as a backup pointguard is astounding. We just invested a fair contract value for him. Why ditch on that investment?
- Black is too close to call, but that early starting 15mpg from him was too good to pass up
- Suggs, again. He is upping his volume. Time will tell if he gains the confidence he needs.

This will get me drag. I would have rather seen Anthony Black shoot 0/7 last night vs Houstan 1/7. I don't mind either kid, I just know where the bread is peanut buttered by my franchise.

[Skybox]

Moritz is a perfectly acceptable backup center making perfectly acceptable backup center money IMO.

Goga is a free agent this summer, but if they trade Carter, then the starting center spot would obviously be his and I can’t imagine he’d leave that situation when it’s unlikely he has a starting gig someplace else.

Exactly...I'd take my chances and maybe even shoot for Claxton...it could be a pretty ideal situation for him to shine too.

I'm definitely not looking to "dump" WCJ...just willing to move him and he's good. Too many want to trade MacLung for Simons

But if you DON'T end up with upgrade at C and get rid of Wendell, are you really going into "playoff or bust" season with Goga, Moritz & Isaac as your center rotation ?
Not to mention importance of good center if you get to a playoffs and lineup of Cs to face are:
Embiid, Turner, Porzingis, Allen, Lopez etc.

I think it's premature. I think Goga plays every game as it's his last, because it actually may be, as he was on his exit doors before Orlando.
Mortiz plays hard but due lack of mobility & insticts will alway suck on defense no matter what.
Isaac...he might sleep on wrong side and miss whole next season for it.

It's very dangerous game. Is Claxton really worth some 4 years, $150M and that much of upgrade over Wendell ?

I think people like novelity of Goga more than they like player. He is sloooowfooted C who right now isn't being targeted by lot of guards because our guards are doing fine job defending pick&roll. But once that becomes soul purpose of opposing offense, in playoffs, he will be on skates very often.

IF you pay Claxton $37.5 x 4, you're crazy - he's an elite role player and a Center...IF we trade WCJ (and stuff) for a REAL scoring guard, I'll happily roll with Mason Plumlee if I have to...but Goga is fine, our Guards are impotent. I'd love to improve both, but I'm confident we can keep Goga if we choose to.

[jezzerinho]

What about:

OKC In:
Black
WCJ
Den25

Orl In:
Joe
Giddey

I think the pick is needed to make OKC give up on these 2 guys. Value wise im not sure its required.

[yoyojw17]

Yeah.. you guys think CHI really wants to trade with us anytime in the near future?

Lol.... if i was them.... I wouldn't. haha... as they look at franz and dell on our team. but still would shake that tree for Caruso.

I dont get it.You guys make it sound like we were really sneaky and we scammed poor Bulls team.
From what I recall they came with this offer.

it's just funny to say. VUC had his value... and a lot of people on here didn't see it the same way as other teams did. but... needless to say... in hindsight... they are probably like "damn it" sometimes.... Franz is a 20 point scorer 3 years in... with still a ton of room to grow. i just say it for fun.

[Skybox]

Lol.... if i was them.... I wouldn't. haha... as they look at franz and dell on our team. but still would shake that tree for Caruso.

I dont get it.You guys make it sound like we were really sneaky and we scammed poor Bulls team.
From what I recall they came with this offer.

it's just funny to say. VUC had his value... and a lot of people on here didn't see it the same way as other teams did. but... needless to say... in hindsight... they are probably like "damn it" sometimes.... Franz is a 20 point scorer 3 years in... with still a ton of room to grow. i just say it for fun.

Yep. It worked out, but obviously nobody on the planet knew Franz would be this...just like Giannis...it's a crapshoot. We've lost a few, won a very few.

[IllMagic04]

I'd put every asset on the table for Dejounte besides Paolo and Franz.

We need to take our shot with them the same way Indiana is doubling down and grabbing Siakam.

See to me this is exactly what we should not do. I like Murray but not enough to move off Suggs with the way hes playing. The Pacers made a great move but that shouldn't force our hand to make a move. We are playing the long game not just a this year thing. If theres a small move to bring a solid vet PG Im all for it. Im just not ready to cash in our chips for Murray. He's good but not that good

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[MartinsIzAfraud]

HERE WE GO Consolidation of assets and a CLEAR path forward with 2 trades. You pick the 2 and we move forward, feel like these are obtainable players with the assets that we have.

Jett + Fultz + Den 25 for Murray has 4 years left at 114M
or
Fultz, Den 25 for Tyus Jones bird rights and would hopefully ink a deal immediately.
or
Fultz + Denver 25 for Malcolm Brogdon has 1 year left at 22.5M

AND

Gary Harris 2 2nds for Luke Kennard has 1 year left at 14.7M

Okeke & a 2nd for Alex Burks who is an expiring

Magic go get a proper Guard who can run an offense with one of the first trades and then follows it up with bench depth either for this year/next year. I'd go for the bolded options but would easily throw quite a bit for Murray just don't know what that would need to make work. Felt like an expiring + propsect + 1st round pick would be a good haul. Would possibly include WCJ if that was what they were asking for but would then remodel the trade.

[eyriq]

What about:

OKC In:
Black
WCJ
Den25

Orl In:
Joe
Giddey

I think the pick is needed to make OKC give up on these 2 guys. Value wise im not sure its required.

What am I missing here? This seems like a terrible trade for us.