I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired.

[theBigLip]

Weaver's asset management is flat out terrible. There is no excuse for this team to STILL be depressed of assets. The funny thing is Weaver actually owes more 1sts (1) than he has incoming (0).

If the best you can say about Troy Weaver is he hasn't put Detroit in a bad cap situation, then he's long past the point of needing to get fired. Besides there is still plenty of potential for him to reverse that cap outlook for Detroit I.E. a Zach Lavine trade.

The first will likely become 2 seconds. So that’s not as bad as it sounds. And he hasn’t signed Lavine, so you can’t ding him for that.

And if it becomes 2 seconds that will mean that Detroit will have been a lottery team for 7 consecutive seasons after Troy's "restoration."

Are you really going to try use that as some rationalization for Troy Weaver's terrible reign?

That comment was not about Weaver as much as the status of our draft picks. Yes, technically, we are down one, but it just isn't likely to convey.

As for Weaver being responsible for us not having a war chest of first rounders, we just didn't have much to trade to get first rounders. Black, Reggie Jackson, Drummond - we were just f--ked. But OKC had Paul George, CP3 - much better hand to start getting picks.

[FloridaMan78]

The first will likely become 2 seconds. So that’s not as bad as it sounds. And he hasn’t signed Lavine, so you can’t ding him for that.

And if it becomes 2 seconds that will mean that Detroit will have been a lottery team for 7 consecutive seasons after Troy's "restoration."

Are you really going to try use that as some rationalization for Troy Weaver's terrible reign?

That comment was not about Weaver as much as the status of our draft picks. Yes, technically, we are down one, but it just isn't likely to convey.

As for Weaver being responsible for us not having a war chest of first rounders, we just didn't have much to trade to get first rounders. Black, Reggie Jackson, Drummond - we were just f--ked. But OKC had Paul George, CP3 - much better hand to start getting picks.

I’ve been a Weaver defender, but he has missed some deals for firsts. Bey comes to mind, definitely could have gotten at least one first. Bojan, which probably still could. He waited a while with Grant too, which ended up working out. He seems to wait too long.

[theBigLip]

And if it becomes 2 seconds that will mean that Detroit will have been a lottery team for 7 consecutive seasons after Troy's "restoration."

Are you really going to try use that as some rationalization for Troy Weaver's terrible reign?

That comment was not about Weaver as much as the status of our draft picks. Yes, technically, we are down one, but it just isn't likely to convey.

As for Weaver being responsible for us not having a war chest of first rounders, we just didn't have much to trade to get first rounders. Black, Reggie Jackson, Drummond - we were just f--ked. But OKC had Paul George, CP3 - much better hand to start getting picks.

I’ve been a Weaver defender, but he has missed some deals for firsts. Bey comes to mind, definitely could have gotten at least one first. Bojan, which probably still could. He waited a while with Grant too, which ended up working out. He seems to wait too long.

Bojan for sure, although I’m not sure how good of one. I’d like to think we can combine him and Burks and get something of quality.

[FloridaMan78]

Weaver’s inability to collect assets like Presti does is really what’s bringing him down now. And really that seems to be a choice for him. He seems to truly believe that players aren’t commodities but people. Which may get you points with players, but the NBA is a business. And Weaver’s getting his ass kicked.

He missed the boat with Bey. His Sophomore year Weaver definitely could have gotten a mid to late first round draft pick. Weaver got lucky getting Duren with Grants weak trade package. He should have already traded Bojan and Burks. That’s two first rd draft picks Weaver could have right now and still have Cade, Ivey, Duren, Ausar, Sasser and Stewart as positive assets. If Weaver had both those first right now he could actually trade for a decent player. Now he’s got nothing.

GMs miss on draft picks, IMO Weaver won and lost some but overall he’s done ok. The Bagley and Wiseman moves were mistakes. Signing Grant was great, trading for Bojan was great.

He’s gotta come through with these capspace moves this deadline and draft day and free agency or this team is screwed for the next decade.

[Kilo]

So Indiana and NYK are not giving up what they did not to max offer their respective Raptors. So that FA pool for the 60M plus Weaver is making moves for is now for who? 4 year max money to Tobias Harris??

[FloridaMan78]

So Indiana and NYK are not giving up what they did not to max offer their respective Raptors. So that FA pool for the 60M plus Weaver is making moves for is now for who? 4 year max money to Tobias Harris??

Yea I would think it’s not happening in free agency but a trade. Probably combining the 2024 draft pick with the cap space to get a good player.

[7r5ur]

So Indiana and NYK are not giving up what they did not to max offer their respective Raptors. So that FA pool for the 60M plus Weaver is making moves for is now for who? 4 year max money to Tobias Harris??

I certainly wouldn't bet on getting Siakam or OG in free agency, though a lot can happen from now until the offseason. Just unlikely.

I think we're better off going for trades with the cap space and the top-5 pick. I'd give Tobias a shorter, high money deal. Something slightly less than Fred VanVleet got, but similar timeframe. Not 4 years, not the max. Don't think he gets close to that on the open market at 32 years old.

[Kalamazoo317]

Siakim isn't a good fit anyway and OG is good but shouldn't get paid like a star (and he will be).

[Piston Pete]

If our plan is to sign a FA in the offseason, as far as F’s go, looks like we’ll have to choose either Miles Bridges or Naji Marshall.

Otherwise, we need to make some trades - and hopefully it’s not Weaver pulling the trigger.

[zeebneeb]

If our plan is to sign a FA in the offseason, as far as F’s go, looks like we’ll have to choose either Miles Bridges or Naji Marshall.

Otherwise, we need to make some trades - and hopefully it’s not Weaver pulling the trigger.

Any improvement is going to have to come in a trade. Real improvement.

I honestly fear the team is going to be essentially the same next year, with just a different cast of bench players.

*sigh*

[FloridaMan78]

If our plan is to sign a FA in the offseason, as far as F’s go, looks like we’ll have to choose either Miles Bridges or Naji Marshall.

Otherwise, we need to make some trades - and hopefully it’s not Weaver pulling the trigger.

Any improvement is going to have to come in a trade. Real improvement.

I honestly fear the team is going to be essentially the same next year, with just a different cast of bench players.

*sigh*

I seriously don’t think this is even a possibility. From the rumors I’ve seen Weaver has pretty much been given through the offseason and that’s it.

I’m worried he’s gonna pick the wrong guys, but he’s definitely bringing in a few new starters.

[bstein14]

If our plan is to sign a FA in the offseason, as far as F’s go, looks like we’ll have to choose either Miles Bridges or Naji Marshall.

Otherwise, we need to make some trades - and hopefully it’s not Weaver pulling the trigger.

Any improvement is going to have to come in a trade. Real improvement.

I honestly fear the team is going to be essentially the same next year, with just a different cast of bench players.

*sigh*

I seriously don’t think this is even a possibility. From the rumors I’ve seen Weaver has pretty much been given through the offseason and that’s it.

I’m worried he’s gonna pick the wrong guys, but he’s definitely bringing in a few new starters.

100% at a minimum we will see three new rotation players. I would be fine just keeping our five (Ausar, Ivey, Cade, Duren, Stew) and having 5 new rotation players but I'm also ok if Burks and Bojan end up coming back on team friendly deal. Morris is of course a wild card as well as Knox, and you never know how Sasser could possibly develop. Ideally for us guys like Knox and Sasser are probably not rotation players but 11th, 12th, 13th guys on the roster.

[zeebneeb]

If our plan is to sign a FA in the offseason, as far as F’s go, looks like we’ll have to choose either Miles Bridges or Naji Marshall.

Otherwise, we need to make some trades - and hopefully it’s not Weaver pulling the trigger.

Any improvement is going to have to come in a trade. Real improvement.

I honestly fear the team is going to be essentially the same next year, with just a different cast of bench players.

*sigh*

I seriously don’t think this is even a possibility. From the rumors I’ve seen Weaver has pretty much been given through the offseason and that’s it.

I’m worried he’s gonna pick the wrong guys, but he’s definitely bringing in a few new starters.

I will be absolutely shocked if this isn't the starting lineup next year;

Cade
Ivey
Ausar(maybe)
Bojan
Duren

Weaver has shown nothing to make me believe anything different. I am not being facetious either.

I have zero faith in the front office.

[theBigLip]

Any improvement is going to have to come in a trade. Real improvement.

I honestly fear the team is going to be essentially the same next year, with just a different cast of bench players.

*sigh*

I seriously don’t think this is even a possibility. From the rumors I’ve seen Weaver has pretty much been given through the offseason and that’s it.

I’m worried he’s gonna pick the wrong guys, but he’s definitely bringing in a few new starters.

I will be absolutely shocked if this isn't the starting lineup next year;

Cade
Ivey
Ausar(maybe)
Bojan
Duren

Weaver has shown nothing to make me believe anything different. I am not being facetious either.

I have zero faith in the front office.

I’m not sure about Ausar and Bojan starting next year. I hope those are the positions we are targeting w our $60M.

It will be interesting what happens w Hayes. How low of a deal would he accept? Do we flip him at the deadline?

I think Sassar is a keeper unless he can bring back something better. Rookie scale project and he has been able to produce at time his rookie season.

[Piston Pete]

We better NOT bring back our top-9 or top-10 guys from this team.

We had better have at least 4 new rotational guys.

Sasser should replace Morris.
Knox coming back wouldn’t hurt

All other expirings should be dealt before this deadline - especially Bogey and Morris. Burks is seeming to get some looks from other teams too.

Let’s make some moves!

Then again, I hate that Weaver is still here and I dread what he might actually do via trades….

[Piston Pete]

I still hope we trade Ausar for a legit starting-level SF or PF.

Ausar and Duren don’t fit
Ausar and Ivey/Cade don’t fit either

[bstein14]

In: Two good starting level FAs, Top 3 pick
Out: Wiseman, Burks, Bojan, Gallinari, Mascala
Brought back for Min $ to be 11th/12th guys: Hayes & Knox

C: Duren / Stew
F: FA$ / (Top 5 Pick)
F: FA$ / Ausar
G: Ivey / Sasser
G: Cade / Morris (resigned with Room Exception $)

[Piston Pete]

In: Two good starting level FAs, Top 3 pick
Out: Wiseman, Burks, Bojan, Gallinari, Mascala
Brought back for Min $ to be 11th/12th guys: Hayes & Knox

C: Duren / Stew
F: FA$ / (Top 5 Pick)
F: FA$ / Ausar
G: Ivey / Sasser
G: Cade / Morris (resigned with Room Exception $)

The only decent FA forwards are Miles Bridges or Naji Marshall.

Not thinking Siakam or OG are realistic options anymore.

And heck to the NO to Hayes. Just let Sasser play 10-15 minutes per as the backup.

Now, albeit, we could absorb guy’s salaries via trade and get a couple good players that way….

And we will have another top-5 pick. So we should be in a position to obtain at least 2-3 new valuable assets next offseason.

[FloridaMan78]

I still hope we trade Ausar for a legit starting-level SF or PF.

Ausar and Duren don’t fit
Ausar and Ivey/Cade don’t fit either

The hope is Ausar learns to shoot, until then him on the bench getting 25-30 mins would be good as long everyone else is a capable shooter

Morris/Lonnie Walker/Ausar/Knox/Stewart would be solid

Cade/Ivey/trade/trade/Duren

[Piston Pete]

RFA options at Forward:

Aleksej Pokusevski
Patrick Williams
Jalen Wilson?
Chuma Okeke?
Obi Toppin


UFA options at Forward:

Miles Bridges
Naji Marshall