Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0

[Knightro]

WCJ is a C/PF.

No our team needs are PG so was responding to that the lol was because we barely have a PG right now.

Don't you have Anthony, Suggs, and Black already? Not to mention Fultz.

Would have to be a three-team trade then as we don't have PG depth unless you want Schroeder lol.

Fultz is a free agent at the end of this year and unlikely to return.

Cole is strictly a backup.

Suggs is now a SG.

Black *may* be the future at the position, but he's a teenager and needs a lot of seasoning.

[fendilim]

Historically we’ve made moves on the trade deadline. Do we expect the same?

[BadMofoPimp]

Murray would be a great fit at PG. What would it take to get him? I wouldn't part with Suggs for Murray. I reckon they are looking for expirings and draft picks.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Murray would be a great fit at PG. What would it take to get him? I wouldn't part with Suggs for Murray. I reckon they are looking for expirings and draft picks.

2 1sts seems to be starting point if you believe the rumors.

[Viper1500]

Murray would be a great fit at PG. What would it take to get him? I wouldn't part with Suggs for Murray. I reckon they are looking for expirings and draft picks.

I'd do Fultz+ORL '24, Den '25 and a couple 2nds

I know that sounds like a bad offer but I don't think there is very high demand for Murray. (At least I hope not)

[thelead]

Murray would be a great fit at PG. What would it take to get him? I wouldn't part with Suggs for Murray. I reckon they are looking for expirings and draft picks.

I'd do Fultz+ORL '24, Den '25 and a couple 2nds

I know that sounds like a bad offer but I don't think there is very high demand for Murray. Murray is a good starter, that's it.

I agree. We're currently slotted for the 15th pick. Add Denver's 1st and a couple of seconds? I'm not sure anyone wants to top that.

Thinking of the teams that could potentially want him, I'm not seeing a significantly better offer when evaluating both sides of the trade.

Lakers? Maybe if they include Austin (doubtful) and Atlanta thinks he's the answer next to Trae (highly doubtful considering the lack of defense with that pairing). Lakers also don't have much draft capital to include.

Pheonix? They have nothing to offer.

Knicks? This is a maybe. They have their picks but I wonder if they question pairing their small star guard with Murray like Atlanta tried. They have draft capital to use and could include Fournier as a matching expiring. Something like Evan, 2024 1st and 2025 Bucks 1st. I have my doubts that they would make this move but it is possible. It's also not a better deal than our theoretical deal. It could, however, lead to a small bidding war.

Warriors? This one may have legs if GSW is willing to trade Kuminga, Moody, and an expiring... and if Atlanta prefers that over our picks. That said, do the warriors really think adding another guard will fix their problems? I'm not sure how they play Steph, Murray, Klay, CP3, and Podziemski while losing size (Kuminga) and not adding any. Still this could be intriguing for both teams.

Pelicans? They would have a hard time matching salaries and have a ton of money already committed to CJ, Zion, and Ingram. Not sure they would be willing to trade players like Murphy, Herb, or Hawkins to make it happen. I think the price tag makes it difficult for them.

Am I missing anyone else?

[Mark_83]

No our team needs are PG so was responding to that the lol was because we barely have a PG right now.

Don't you have Anthony, Suggs, and Black already? Not to mention Fultz.

Would have to be a three-team trade then as we don't have PG depth unless you want Schroeder lol.

Fultz is a free agent at the end of this year and unlikely to return.

Cole is strictly a backup.

Suggs is now a SG.

Black *may* be the future at the position, but he's a teenager and needs a lot of seasoning.

Would Tyus Jones fit your needs? He's expiring but you'd have his bird rights. Washington probably looking to cash him in for picks.

[BadMofoPimp]

Murray would be a great fit at PG. What would it take to get him? I wouldn't part with Suggs for Murray. I reckon they are looking for expirings and draft picks.

I'd do Fultz+ORL '24, Den '25 and a couple 2nds

I know that sounds like a bad offer but I don't think there is very high demand for Murray. Murray is a good starter, that's it.

I agree. We're currently slotted for the 15th pick. Add Denver's 1st and a couple of seconds? I'm not sure anyone wants to top that.

Thinking of the teams that could potentially want him, I'm not seeing a significantly better offer when evaluating both sides of the trade.

Lakers? Maybe if they include Austin (doubtful) and Atlanta thinks he's the answer next to Trae (highly doubtful considering the lack of defense with that pairing). Lakers also don't have much draft capital to include.

Pheonix? They have nothing to offer.

Knicks? This is a maybe. They have their picks but I wonder if they question pairing their small star guard with Murray like Atlanta tried. They have draft capital to use and could include Fournier as a matching expiring. Something like Evan, 2024 1st and 2025 Bucks 1st. I have my doubts that they would make this move but it is possible. It's also not a better deal than our theoretical deal. It could, however, lead to a small bidding war.

Warriors? This one may have legs if GSW is willing to trade Kuminga, Moody, and an expiring... and if Atlanta prefers that over our picks. That said, do the warriors really think adding another guard will fix their problems? I'm not sure how they play Steph, Murray, Klay, CP3, and Podziemski while losing size (Kuminga) and not adding any. Still this could be intriguing for both teams.

Pelicans? They would have a hard time matching salaries and have a ton of money already committed to CJ, Zion, and Ingram. Not sure they would be willing to trade players like Murphy, Herb, or Hawkins to make it happen. I think the price tag makes it difficult for them.

Am I missing anyone else?

Probably what they counter is 3 1st and a pick swap like what they spent for him. Maybe get away wiht 3 firsts and Fultz.

[pepe1991]

I'm looking at Denver, Jokic's desire to stay there, and i can't really value Nuggets pick anything more than complete filler that will fall into mid to late 20s.


Just for reference point, 2023 draft, 26th pick was sold for cash. That's all you need to know about value.

[jezzerinho]

I'm looking at Denver, Jokic's desire to stay there, and i can't really value Nuggets pick anything more than complete filler that will fall into mid to late 20s.


Just for reference point, 2023 draft, 26th pick was sold for cash. That's all you need to know about value.

Thus is what people forget. These picks, especially to us with more kids than a nursery, are worth very little really. Wenshould be spraying them around for players.

[pepe1991]

I'm looking at Denver, Jokic's desire to stay there, and i can't really value Nuggets pick anything more than complete filler that will fall into mid to late 20s.


Just for reference point, 2023 draft, 26th pick was sold for cash. That's all you need to know about value.

Thus is what people forget. These picks, especially to us with more kids than a nursery, are worth very little really. Wenshould be spraying them around for players.

We can't even find roster spot for two lottery selected rookies. That Nuggets pick will be gone before draft rolls or on draft night.
Worst it can happen is if we trade him for multiple second round picks

[Orl_Magic]

Heard from Windhorst that Murray has a huge trade bonus, Atlanta will have to pay if he's traded somewhere in the region of 13.5 million split over 2 years, which is a league high trade bonus ( AD is second with 12.9 million). Now, Atlanta also would like recoup some of their losses from acquiring Murray (3 unprotected firsts still owed to Spurs). Keep this in mind, Atlanta has 13.5 million reasons not to trade Murray unless they get picks and a good value player in return.

[zaymon]

Heard from Windhorst that Murray has a huge trade bonus, Atlanta will have to pay if he's traded somewhere in the region of 13.5 million split over 2 years, which is a league high trade bonus ( AD is second with 12.9 million). Now, Atlanta also would like recoup some of their losses from acquiring Murray (3 unprotected firsts still owed to Spurs). Keep this in mind, Atlanta has 13.5 million reasons not to trade Murray unless they get picks and a good value player in return.

They also suck with Murray, and everybody is frustrated. It will get ugly if they dont trade him. They have no leverage.

[jezzerinho]

I hadnt noticed how much better Collin Sexton has gotten in Utah this year.

Hed be a risk, but Utah seems an easy trade partner given where they are, so there could be value. Im a little traumatised still by that famous vid of Kevin Love grabbing the ball off a ballhogging Sexton and passing it in frustration. But it seems Sexton has matured and while his assist numbers arent stellar, hes all around a pretty good offensive machine and less atrocious defensively than before.

Orl In:
Sexton
Collins

Utah In:
Isaac
Fultz
1st rounder
2nd rounder

Utah gets off Collins deal, has even more cap space if it wants it. A potentially good foil for Markkanen in Isaac and a couple of picks.

[zaymon]

I hadnt noticed how much better Collin Sexton has gotten in Utah this year.

Hed be a risk, but Utah seems an easy trade partner given where they are, so there could be value. Im a little traumatised still by that famous vid of Kevin Love grabbing the ball off a ballhogging Sexton and passing it in frustration. But it seems Sexton has matured and while his assist numbers arent stellar, hes all around a pretty good offensive machine and less atrocious defensively than before.

Orl In:
Sexton
Collins

Utah In:
Isaac
Fultz
1st rounder
2nd rounder

Utah gets off Collins deal, has even more cap space if it wants it. A potentially good foil for Markkanen in Isaac and a couple of picks.

I like Sexton but not Collins. I worry Ainge wont trade Sexton unless he wins trade by a mile.

[Knightro]

Don't you have Anthony, Suggs, and Black already? Not to mention Fultz.

Would have to be a three-team trade then as we don't have PG depth unless you want Schroeder lol.

Fultz is a free agent at the end of this year and unlikely to return.

Cole is strictly a backup.

Suggs is now a SG.

Black *may* be the future at the position, but he's a teenager and needs a lot of seasoning.

Would Tyus Jones fit your needs? He's expiring but you'd have his bird rights. Washington probably looking to cash him in for picks.

He would.

However, with him being expiring, the Magic could just sign him outright this summer with their cap space.

So I think that will lower the caliber of offers the Magic would put forward for him.

[jezzerinho]

So many teams in both conferences that are in the playoff spot race. All very similar quality, all looking to add a piece or two to take them up a tier.

Given how plodding and risk averse our FO is, I think there's a big chance we don't get any decent moves done. Other hungrier teams will hoover up the available player stock. Weltman could be left with scraps, unless he plays it uncharacteristically .aggressive.

[JBSouthpaw]

1 would think, Goga would be on some team's radar. Both divisions have to go through a dominant Center (Joker & Joel).
Goga has a low contract and is expiring. A young player & a pick should be easy for a team with title asperations, pick would be near the back and less valued.
Unless we get a deal worked out with him, it would seem he'd be on the block. Had to lose him without getting anything back (as opposed to just letting Fultz walk).

[BadMofoPimp]

Ok, 3 1st Rounders, Fultz and Jett for Murray. I would do that.

[cedric76]

Ok, 3 1st Rounders, Fultz and Jett for Murray. I would do that.

We should get him for less than that, if it s the price I m out