Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas -Trade Deadline Thursday 2 pm CT

[stellation]

Whatever the problem is, Nwora is never the answer.

Problem: Our team needs more hair.

I mean, your crazy old man views don't even outlast the first problem!

[Profound23]

Whatever the problem is, Nwora is never the answer.

Wisconsin, the only sports fans that hate a guy the entire time he's in Milwaukee/Green Bay.....and once he is gone they all want him back.

I guarantee for those who want Lopez and/or Bobby gone will be trying to figure out how to get them back within 6 months.

[chonestown]

Absents makes the heart grow fondler.

Absinthe makes the hearth go flan Dewars.

Round of bout way of saying, its time for Horts to bring back Kurt Thomas, a "dog" if ever there was one.

Wonder what was the cause of Dave's excused one-game abstinence.

[theFireBlanket]

Whatever the problem is, Nwora is never the answer.

Problem: Our team needs more hair.

I mean, your crazy old man views don't even outlast the first problem!

Start Rolo, duh.

[Ryan5UW]

No need to explain anything to me. Just find it amusing that you always pop up when a Portland trade is brought up. It's impressive

We need to use a code word from now on when discussing Portland trade ideas lol

[-Jragon-]

I feel like Khris needs a change of scenery and maybe some of our fans do, too. We don't have a Big 3 or Big 4.. it's a lie. What we do have is 2 potentially Hall of Fame players maybe top 50ish ever to lace them up. Then we have KM and Brook who were fringe all stars even in their prime which has come and gone.

Khris should not be taking significant touches from 2 hall of famers and here are some reasons:

** mid-range shooting is overrated.. tell me a mid-range shooter that didn't play dominant defense that won a championship
** mid-range shooters that can't dribble are illogical -- how are you going to get in there to shoot mid-range?
**mid-range shooters take a hit on TS% by not drawing many fouls
** his lob play with Giannis looks cool but teams are going to hack the $hit out of him and injure him in the playoffs trying to jump over dudes unless it's a fast break with a clear landing path we are more likely to break Giannis
**KM passes to Giannis well but Giannis and Dame both have superior court vision and can see open people all over the court
**Dame and Giannis are better in traffic
**Dame and Giannis draw more fouls which does SO MUCH... it makes aggressive teams get in foul trouble and have to play timid and it slows the game/reduces the fast breaks which is what we want... those KM turnovers or misses in the mid-range turn into fast break buckets
** for all of these reasons and more, deep 2s are the dumbest shot in basketball and being the best at it just makes you a 1st place dumba$$. Even mathematically... make 6 out of 10 deep 2s.. 12 points... you only need 4 of 10 wide open 3s of Hall of Fame gravity to get that and most 3s you barely have to dribble if it's off said gravity so that's almost zero % chance for a turnover.

If you think minimum salary Beasely has been more effective than almost Max Khash this year you are probably right for the reasons above. I'd love to see Hall of Fame Giannis and Dame start with Brook and 2 other real three and D starters. Beas flame throwing off bench. Honestly our team would be instantly %15 better if KM decided from here on out just to get on fire from the 3 and let go of all the other BS and used that extra saved energy to bend his knees 15% more on D. Can we get a player or 2 like this?

Honestly, every role player (includes KM) besides AJJ (slashing) and Brook (post) should be hoisting up wide open 3s over closeouts as their main shot and we will be gold in a playoff series.

[stellation]

Whatever the problem is, Nwora is never the answer.

Problem: Our team needs more hair.

I mean, your crazy old man views don't even outlast the first problem!

Start Rolo, duh.

You don't cultivate a spare with hair (a spair) for all these years to not make the switch now.

[soxperry]

I feel like Khris needs a change of scenery and maybe some of our fans do, too. We don't have a Big 3 or Big 4.. it's a lie. What we do have is 2 potentially Hall of Fame players maybe top 50ish ever to lace them up. Then we have KM and Brook who were fringe all stars even in their prime which has come and gone.

Khris should not be taking significant touches from 2 hall of famers and here are some reasons:

** mid-range shooting is overrated.. tell me a mid-range shooter that didn't play dominant defense that won a championship

It's not overrated in the playoffs. His defense is a concern but it's not like all he does is midrange.


** mid-range shooters that can't dribble are illogical -- how are you going to get in there to shoot mid-range?

this is a legit concern. when highly athletic, long defenders crowd him, he can struggle to get a shot off or even make a good play.

**mid-range shooters take a hit on TS% by not drawing many fouls

he knows how to draw a foul

** his lob play with Giannis looks cool but teams are going to hack the $hit out of him and injure him in the playoffs trying to jump over dudes unless it's a fast break with a clear landing path we are more likely to break Giannis

his chemistry with Giannis is very valuable. being afraid to go vertical for fear of injury isn't really a valid option.

**KM passes to Giannis well but Giannis and Dame both have superior court vision and can see open people all over the court

Dame may have better vision and Giannis is much taller so he can pilot things and have better angles, but he's probably not far behind Dame in passing. But just as Giannis has those benefits over Khris, so does Khris over Dame. Dame can sometimes have trouble getting the ball where he needs to get it because he's so small.

**Dame and Giannis are better in traffic

Giannis for sure, but idk if Dame is vastly superior here. Khris can drive baseline and go backboard with relative ease no matter the situation. That's very valuable.

**Dame and Giannis draw more fouls which does SO MUCH... it makes aggressive teams get in foul trouble and have to play timid and it slows the game/reduces the fast breaks which is what we want... those KM turnovers or misses in the mid-range turn into fast break buckets

that's more on the d than it is Khris. he's having a pretty efficient year shooting.

** for all of these reasons and more, deep 2s are the dumbest shot in basketball and being the best at it just makes you a 1st place dumba$$. Even mathematically... make 6 out of 10 deep 2s.. 12 points... you only need 4 of 10 wide open 3s of Hall of Fame gravity to get that and most 3s you barely have to dribble if it's off said gravity so that's almost zero % chance for a turnover.

If you think minimum salary Beasely has been more effective than almost Max Khash this year you are probably right for the reasons above. I'd love to see Hall of Fame Giannis and Dame start with Brook and 2 other real three and D starters. Beas flame throwing off bench. Honestly our team would be instantly %15 better if KM decided from here on out just to get on fire from the 3 and let go of all the other BS and used that extra saved energy to bend his knees 15% more on D. Can we get a player or 2 like this?

Honestly, every role player (includes KM) besides AJJ (slashing) and Brook (post) should be hoisting up wide open 3s over closeouts as their main shot and we will be gold in a playoff series.

I dont think it's that simple. Remember how tight the deep playoff D can get. It's not always a sure thing that you can get wide open looks. Khris is a shot creator. The only legitimate case for moving him is if we feel he's close to washed athletically. He cant help us if he can't move.

I assume that Khris and Brook will get this season to prove it all over again before we do anything drastic in the offseason.

[DingleJerry]

Spoiler:

I feel like Khris needs a change of scenery and maybe some of our fans do, too. We don't have a Big 3 or Big 4.. it's a lie. What we do have is 2 potentially Hall of Fame players maybe top 50ish ever to lace them up. Then we have KM and Brook who were fringe all stars even in their prime which has come and gone.

Khris should not be taking significant touches from 2 hall of famers and here are some reasons:

** mid-range shooting is overrated.. tell me a mid-range shooter that didn't play dominant defense that won a championship
** mid-range shooters that can't dribble are illogical -- how are you going to get in there to shoot mid-range?
**mid-range shooters take a hit on TS% by not drawing many fouls
** his lob play with Giannis looks cool but teams are going to hack the $hit out of him and injure him in the playoffs trying to jump over dudes unless it's a fast break with a clear landing path we are more likely to break Giannis
**KM passes to Giannis well but Giannis and Dame both have superior court vision and can see open people all over the court
**Dame and Giannis are better in traffic
**Dame and Giannis draw more fouls which does SO MUCH... it makes aggressive teams get in foul trouble and have to play timid and it slows the game/reduces the fast breaks which is what we want... those KM turnovers or misses in the mid-range turn into fast break buckets
** for all of these reasons and more, deep 2s are the dumbest shot in basketball and being the best at it just makes you a 1st place dumba$$. Even mathematically... make 6 out of 10 deep 2s.. 12 points... you only need 4 of 10 wide open 3s of Hall of Fame gravity to get that and most 3s you barely have to dribble if it's off said gravity so that's almost zero % chance for a turnover.

If you think minimum salary Beasely has been more effective than almost Max Khash this year you are probably right for the reasons above. I'd love to see Hall of Fame Giannis and Dame start with Brook and 2 other real three and D starters. Beas flame throwing off bench. Honestly our team would be instantly %15 better if KM decided from here on out just to get on fire from the 3 and let go of all the other BS and used that extra saved energy to bend his knees 15% more on D. Can we get a player or 2 like this?

Honestly, every role player (includes KM) besides AJJ (slashing) and Brook (post) should be hoisting up wide open 3s over closeouts as their main shot and we will be gold in a playoff series.

Khris needs to embrace being Klay Thompson. Just catch/shoot sharpshoot. They don't need him to lead and initiator type stuff. He's just too slow and handle has gotten too poor for it now, plus we have two of the best guys in the league to do it instead. Just snipe wide open shots. This again comes back a bit to coaching, why do Dame/Giannis sit at the same time so he's out there as the lead.

[soxperry]

Spoiler:

I feel like Khris needs a change of scenery and maybe some of our fans do, too. We don't have a Big 3 or Big 4.. it's a lie. What we do have is 2 potentially Hall of Fame players maybe top 50ish ever to lace them up. Then we have KM and Brook who were fringe all stars even in their prime which has come and gone.

Khris should not be taking significant touches from 2 hall of famers and here are some reasons:

** mid-range shooting is overrated.. tell me a mid-range shooter that didn't play dominant defense that won a championship
** mid-range shooters that can't dribble are illogical -- how are you going to get in there to shoot mid-range?
**mid-range shooters take a hit on TS% by not drawing many fouls
** his lob play with Giannis looks cool but teams are going to hack the $hit out of him and injure him in the playoffs trying to jump over dudes unless it's a fast break with a clear landing path we are more likely to break Giannis
**KM passes to Giannis well but Giannis and Dame both have superior court vision and can see open people all over the court
**Dame and Giannis are better in traffic
**Dame and Giannis draw more fouls which does SO MUCH... it makes aggressive teams get in foul trouble and have to play timid and it slows the game/reduces the fast breaks which is what we want... those KM turnovers or misses in the mid-range turn into fast break buckets
** for all of these reasons and more, deep 2s are the dumbest shot in basketball and being the best at it just makes you a 1st place dumba$$. Even mathematically... make 6 out of 10 deep 2s.. 12 points... you only need 4 of 10 wide open 3s of Hall of Fame gravity to get that and most 3s you barely have to dribble if it's off said gravity so that's almost zero % chance for a turnover.

If you think minimum salary Beasely has been more effective than almost Max Khash this year you are probably right for the reasons above. I'd love to see Hall of Fame Giannis and Dame start with Brook and 2 other real three and D starters. Beas flame throwing off bench. Honestly our team would be instantly %15 better if KM decided from here on out just to get on fire from the 3 and let go of all the other BS and used that extra saved energy to bend his knees 15% more on D. Can we get a player or 2 like this?

Honestly, every role player (includes KM) besides AJJ (slashing) and Brook (post) should be hoisting up wide open 3s over closeouts as their main shot and we will be gold in a playoff series.

Khris needs to embrace being Klay Thompson. Just catch/shoot sharpshoot. They don't need him to lead and initiator type stuff. He's just too slow and handle has gotten too poor for it now, plus we have two of the best guys in the league to do it instead. Just snipe wide open shots. This again comes back a bit to coaching, why do Dame/Giannis sit at the same time so he's out there as the lead.

that would be nice, and that's what Bud wanted him to do as well, but Khris is a rhythm guy. he's at his best when he's pounding the rock a bit.

[fam3381]

** mid-range shooting is overrated.. tell me a mid-range shooter that didn't play dominant defense that won a championship

Damn, gonna be up all night trying to think of an answer to this one

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[yb90]

** mid-range shooting is overrated.. tell me a mid-range shooter that didn't play dominant defense that won a championship

Damn, gonna be up all night trying to think of an answer to this one

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Beat me by 3 minutes.

[Dick Tate]

No need to explain anything to me. Just find it amusing that you always pop up when a Portland trade is brought up. It's impressive

We need to use a code word from now on when discussing Portland trade ideas lol

Atissemay Hybulletay.

[-Jragon-]

** mid-range shooting is overrated.. tell me a mid-range shooter that didn't play dominant defense that won a championship

Damn, gonna be up all night trying to think of an answer to this one

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Believe this or not but in 2021 KM's best plays were standstill shooting 3s over guys or attacking closeouts which I've been advocating him to do again all year. This driving through traffic and deep 2s late in games is absolutely idiotic and I don't know if anyone in our organization can get him to attack from the arc again which is what we need.

[-Jragon-]

** mid-range shooting is overrated.. tell me a mid-range shooter that didn't play dominant defense that won a championship

Damn, gonna be up all night trying to think of an answer to this one

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Believe this or not but in 2021 KM's best plays were standstill shooting 3s over guys or attacking closeouts which I've been advocating him to do again all year. This driving through traffic and deep 2s late in games is absolutely idiotic and I don't know if anyone in our organization can get him to attack from the arc again which is what we need.

Bud maybe had more leverage during playoff time because KM was stationed at the arc for back breaking 3 pointers over those teams off Giannis gravity 90% of the time. Yes, he did try to get the ball from Jrue but Jrue usually waved him off and dribbled up. Khris fiddling with the ball top of the were our worst turnovers and least efficient plays even in the 2021 playoffs and I think the perimeter defense will be better this year than the the hawks nets and suns. Maybe Fiddleton is a better nickname for him.

PJ was also a bucket in the corner and that was highly efficient.. get him back here... Dame, Jae, KM, PJ, Giannis and Brook can probably close if Jae, PJ and KM stand at the arc and hit them.. that should be more than enough defense.

[Baddy Chuck]

Bud maybe had more leverage during playoff time because KM was stationed at the arc for back breaking 3 pointers over those teams off Giannis gravity 90% of the time. Yes, he did try to get the ball from Jrue but Jrue usually waved him off and dribbled up. Khris fiddling with the ball top of the were our worst turnovers and least efficient plays even in the 2021 playoffs and I think the perimeter defense will be better this year than the the hawks nets and suns. Maybe Fiddleton is a better nickname for him.

LOL **** outta here with the revisionist bull.

Khris Middleton had more frontcourt touches per game in that run than Jrue and Giannis. His time of possession per game was higher than Giannis and despite not being a point guard (dribbling the ball up the court), on par with Jrue. He led our team in pick and roll ball handle possessions, more than Jrue and Giannis COMBINED on top of more PPP in those than Jrue and Giannis. 4 iso's per game on more PPP than Giannis and Jrue. He shot 193 mid ranged shots on 46%. But yeah he was basically Malik Beasley under Bud.

Again, **** outta here. You don't like him. You don't gotta make up some fantasy world around it.

[midranger]

** mid-range shooting is overrated.. tell me a mid-range shooter that didn't play dominant defense that won a championship

Damn, gonna be up all night trying to think of an answer to this one

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Beat me by 3 minutes.

Yeah. I was like… Larry Bird, Dirk Nowitski, Glenn Robinson, um…. Khris Middleton.

[yannisk]

There is this guy playing in europe ... (Joking)

Watch on YouTube

[MickeyDavis]

Bud maybe had more leverage during playoff time because KM was stationed at the arc for back breaking 3 pointers over those teams off Giannis gravity 90% of the time. Yes, he did try to get the ball from Jrue but Jrue usually waved him off and dribbled up. Khris fiddling with the ball top of the were our worst turnovers and least efficient plays even in the 2021 playoffs and I think the perimeter defense will be better this year than the the hawks nets and suns. Maybe Fiddleton is a better nickname for him.

LOL **** outta here with the revisionist bull.

Khris Middleton had more frontcourt touches per game in that run than Jrue and Giannis. His time of possession per game was higher than Giannis and despite not being a point guard (dribbling the ball up the court), on par with Jrue. He led our team in pick and roll ball handle possessions, more than Jrue and Giannis COMBINED on top of more PPP in those than Jrue and Giannis. 4 iso's per game on more PPP than Giannis and Jrue. He shot 193 mid ranged shots on 46%. But yeah he was basically Malik Beasley under Bud.

Again, **** outta here. You don't like him. You don't gotta make up some fantasy world around it.

Facts

[pifhluk23]

Picking on Khris's offence is weird. He is a little more redundant now that we have Dame and the argument that 2 guys at 20/M would be better for this team is valid but no one is trading us 2 good 3 & D guys for Khris. Were not getting anything even remotely close back that would equal what he gives us, that time passed years ago when we wanted to trade him for Butler, CP3 etc. He's very valuable on offense especially in the playoffs, the problem like everything is Grief needs to hide weaknesses not expose them.