Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 3.0

[MettaWorldPanda]

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“If I’m Miami, I feel like I can make the finals. So I’m making trades.”

God bless you know it’s bad when Bill Simmons is the voice of reason but he’s spot on here. Thinking you can make the finals or win it all is NOT a reason to sit on your hands and do nothing. That should be a sign to try and improve even more to better your chances of winning it all, feeling that way should motivate you to try and be even better

It's funny how these NBA talking heads still don't realize what picks we can and can't trade. It would have to be the 2028 pick. OKC has 2025 and 2026 in limbo until one of those picks convey. What we can do is a pick swap in 2027. 2028 and 2030 are the only true tradeable picks right now. It is clearly obvious that something needs to be worked out for Rozier. It just makes too much sense all the way around. If you do include Jovic it is imperative that we find a way to get PJW and not Nik Richards. Richards is not playable with Bam and we already have enough big bodies in the center spot. We need true versatile 4's who are over 6'7 and can hit the 3.

[Beenie]

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“If I’m Miami, I feel like I can make the finals. So I’m making trades.”

God bless you know it’s bad when Bill Simmons is the voice of reason but he’s spot on here. Thinking you can make the finals or win it all is NOT a reason to sit on your hands and do nothing. That should be a sign to try and improve even more to better your chances of winning it all, feeling that way should motivate you to try and be even better

It's funny how these NBA talking heads still don't realize what picks we can and can't trade. It would have to be the 2028 pick. OKC has 2025 and 2026 in limbo until one of those picks convey. What we can do is a pick swap in 2027. 2028 and 2030 are the only true tradeable picks right now. It is clearly obvious that something needs to be worked out for Rozier. It just makes too much sense all the way around. If you do include Jovic it is imperative that we find a way to get PJW and not Nik Richards. Richards is not playable with Bam and we already have enough big bodies in the center spot. We need true versatile 4's who are over 6'7 and can hit the 3.

I don’t suspect Jovic would be getting playoff minutes, barring injuries on the roster.

Those minutes would be split between Martin, Love, and Highsmith.

That said, getting PJW in this hypothetical deal is less of an imperative and more of an added luxury, imo.

Getting Rozier or some other high caliber ball handling guard is definitely an imperative and I wouldn’t let a side piece stand in the way of making that happen.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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“If I’m Miami, I feel like I can make the finals. So I’m making trades.”

God bless you know it’s bad when Bill Simmons is the voice of reason but he’s spot on here. Thinking you can make the finals or win it all is NOT a reason to sit on your hands and do nothing. That should be a sign to try and improve even more to better your chances of winning it all, feeling that way should motivate you to try and be even better

It's funny how these NBA talking heads still don't realize what picks we can and can't trade. It would have to be the 2028 pick. OKC has 2025 and 2026 in limbo until one of those picks convey. What we can do is a pick swap in 2027. 2028 and 2030 are the only true tradeable picks right now. It is clearly obvious that something needs to be worked out for Rozier. It just makes too much sense all the way around. If you do include Jovic it is imperative that we find a way to get PJW and not Nik Richards. Richards is not playable with Bam and we already have enough big bodies in the center spot. We need true versatile 4's who are over 6'7 and can hit the 3.

I don’t suspect Jovic would be getting playoff minutes, barring injuries on the roster.

Those minutes would be split between Martin, Love, and Highsmith.

That said, getting PJW in this hypothetical deal is less of an imperative and more of an added luxury, imo.

Getting Rozier or some other high caliber ball handling guard is definitely an imperative and I wouldn’t let a side piece stand in the way of making that happen.

Yea as long as we get a Rozier or DJM we’re solving the main problem, the PJW and Bey scenarios are probably wishful thinking but it would definitely be nice to add a good/young potential long term piece next to Bam that is more proven as of right now.

What makes trading JJJ and Jovic tough is if they develop to be some of the players many think they can be then that is some very cheap depth to a likely top heavy (money wise) roster.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I get what your saying Beenie but this is a great chance at shoring up the 4 spot. Not enthused about two 6’5 PF’s and an aging Love going into the playoffs.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Play the Hawks tonight without Trae. Looking forward to the overreactions if not wanting DJM when he struggles to score against Bam and Highsmith like we just saw with Rozier lol.

Feel like DJM is sending some signs that he’d love to play for the Heat

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Very true

[MettaWorldPanda]

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BRO

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GET IT DONE TONIGHT PATRICK!!!!!

[MettaWorldPanda]

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GET IT DONE TONIGHT PATRICK!!!!!

Don’t let Murray leave the arena tonight lol

[MettaWorldPanda]

Heat love to circle back

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/amp/nba_rumors_miami_heat_want_to_trade_for_saddiq_bey/s1_16751_38239854

[MettaWorldPanda]

Lowry
Jovic
Smith(contract dump)
2028 1st 2030 1st 2026 2nd

To Hawks for

Murray
Bey
Mills

Let’s get it done. Tobin playing whale sounds on the radio right now lol

C Bam Adebayo C K Love C T Bryant C O Rob
PF Saddiq Bey PF Caleb Martin PF HH
SF Jimmy Butler SF Jaime Jaquez Jr
SG Tyler Herro SG Duncan Robinson
PG Dejounte Murray PG J Rich PG P Mills

See you in the Finals

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I mean it’s 2 1sts, that’s not a crazy deal and it’s what we sent for Dragic. Love Dragic but is/was he without a doubt better than current DJM or Rozier (who will likely cost less)? I would say no and he was nearly 2 years older than DJM when we traded for him.

It would hurt our tradeable assets but we would still have draft picks to use over the years (who can be traded after they’re drafted) and if we hit on those that’s just more assets.

Plus is Mitchell asks out I can think of much worse trade packages than DJM Herro Jovic and a 1st or 2. Reroute DJM or Herro elsewhere for a 1st or 2 if you’d like.

I’m all in, not worried about the assets going out for either DJM or Rozier and not worried about not being able to come up with the assets needed if a star asks out like Mitchell in the near future

[MettaWorldPanda]

I mean it’s 2 1sts, that’s not a crazy deal and it’s what we sent for Dragic. Love Dragic but is/was he without a doubt better than current DJM or Rozier (who will likely cost less)? I would say no and he was nearly 2 years older than DJM when we traded for him.

It would hurt our tradeable assets but we would still have draft picks to use over the years (who can be traded after they’re drafted) and if we hit on those that’s just more assets.

Plus is Mitchell asks out I can think of much worse trade packages than DJM Herro Jovic and a 1st or 2. Reroute DJM or Herro elsewhere for a 1st or 2 if you’d like.

I’m all in, not worried about the assets going out for either DJM or Rozier and not worried about not being able to come up with the assets needed if a star asks out like Mitchell in the near future

The original Murray deal with Spurs netted 3 1st and a pick swap.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I mean it’s 2 1sts, that’s not a crazy deal and it’s what we sent for Dragic. Love Dragic but is/was he without a doubt better than current DJM or Rozier (who will likely cost less)? I would say no and he was nearly 2 years older than DJM when we traded for him.

It would hurt our tradeable assets but we would still have draft picks to use over the years (who can be traded after they’re drafted) and if we hit on those that’s just more assets.

Plus is Mitchell asks out I can think of much worse trade packages than DJM Herro Jovic and a 1st or 2. Reroute DJM or Herro elsewhere for a 1st or 2 if you’d like.

I’m all in, not worried about the assets going out for either DJM or Rozier and not worried about not being able to come up with the assets needed if a star asks out like Mitchell in the near future

The original Murray deal with Spurs netted 3 1st and a pick swap.

Yep so I think 2 is completely fair, you’re not getting what you sent out for a player 2 years later, especially when they were coming off an all star season when you traded for them.

Also why the Cavs are not going to be able to get a package like what they sent out for Mitchell when he asks out, basically will be expiring and will be 2-3 years older than when you got him. At least in Murray’s case he’s already signed an extension and is on the books for 3-4 more seasons after this one

[IceColdCubano]

I mean it’s 2 1sts, that’s not a crazy deal and it’s what we sent for Dragic. Love Dragic but is/was he without a doubt better than current DJM or Rozier (who will likely cost less)? I would say no and he was nearly 2 years older than DJM when we traded for him.

It would hurt our tradeable assets but we would still have draft picks to use over the years (who can be traded after they’re drafted) and if we hit on those that’s just more assets.

Plus is Mitchell asks out I can think of much worse trade packages than DJM Herro Jovic and a 1st or 2. Reroute DJM or Herro elsewhere for a 1st or 2 if you’d like.

I’m all in, not worried about the assets going out for either DJM or Rozier and not worried about not being able to come up with the assets needed if a star asks out like Mitchell in the near future

The original Murray deal with Spurs netted 3 1st and a pick swap.

Yep so I think 2 is completely fair, you’re not getting what you sent out for a player 2 years later, especially when they were coming off an all star season when you traded for them.

Also why the Cavs are not going to be able to get a package like what they sent out for Mitchell when he asks out, basically will be expiring and will be 2-3 years older than when you got him. At least in Murray’s case he’s already signed an extension and is on the books for 3-4 more seasons after this one

Also have to account for the Lowry expiring having value as well, which to me is equal to atleast 1 FRP.

[twix2500]

I remember when this room wanted to trade 3 first for Bey when he was in Detroit

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[MettaWorldPanda]

The original Murray deal with Spurs netted 3 1st and a pick swap.

Yep so I think 2 is completely fair, you’re not getting what you sent out for a player 2 years later, especially when they were coming off an all star season when you traded for them.

Also why the Cavs are not going to be able to get a package like what they sent out for Mitchell when he asks out, basically will be expiring and will be 2-3 years older than when you got him. At least in Murray’s case he’s already signed an extension and is on the books for 3-4 more seasons after this one

Also have to account for the Lowry expiring having value as well, which to me is equal to atleast 1 FRP.

Would be nice if we could get this deal done without Jovic and instead giving them Martin and 2nd rd pick being enough but not sure.

[RexBoyWonder]

Lowry
Jovic
Smith(contract dump)
2028 1st 2030 1st 2026 2nd

To Hawks for

Murray
Bey
Mills

Let’s get it done. Tobin playing whale sounds on the radio right now lol

C Bam Adebayo C K Love C T Bryant C O Rob
PF Saddiq Bey PF Caleb Martin PF HH
SF Jimmy Butler SF Jaime Jaquez Jr
SG Tyler Herro SG Duncan Robinson
PG Dejounte Murray PG J Rich PG P Mills

See you in the Finals

Got to like the sneaky addition of Bey, always liked his game and fit - an high vouleme 3 point shooter with size and a little driving spice.

But That's an overpay. If they get 2 picks + a second - we keep Niko. This kid is the future, never sell low on the future. He's not a throw in.

[Voltron914]

Yep so I think 2 is completely fair, you’re not getting what you sent out for a player 2 years later, especially when they were coming off an all star season when you traded for them.

Also why the Cavs are not going to be able to get a package like what they sent out for Mitchell when he asks out, basically will be expiring and will be 2-3 years older than when you got him. At least in Murray’s case he’s already signed an extension and is on the books for 3-4 more seasons after this one

Also have to account for the Lowry expiring having value as well, which to me is equal to atleast 1 FRP.

Would be nice if we could get this deal done without Jovic and instead giving them Martin and 2nd rd pick being enough but not sure.

after the summer trade roller coaster im just going to sit back and wait til 2/8 to see if we do anything. my fingers still hurt from refreshing this forum from the dame saga

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Lowry
Jovic
Smith(contract dump)
2028 1st 2030 1st 2026 2nd

To Hawks for

Murray
Bey
Mills

Let’s get it done. Tobin playing whale sounds on the radio right now lol

C Bam Adebayo C K Love C T Bryant C O Rob
PF Saddiq Bey PF Caleb Martin PF HH
SF Jimmy Butler SF Jaime Jaquez Jr
SG Tyler Herro SG Duncan Robinson
PG Dejounte Murray PG J Rich PG P Mills

See you in the Finals

Got to like the sneaky addition of Bey, always liked his game and fit - an high vouleme 3 point shooter with size and a little driving spice.

But That's an overpay. If they get 2 picks + a second - we keep Niko. This kid is the future, never sell low on the future. He's not a throw in.

I actually agree. We’re meeting their asking price for Murray by sending a big expiring and 2 1sts, as of right now no team has been willing to do that so I think that should count for something. Throw in a 2nd for good measure and call it a day. They send us Bey who they likely don’t plan on retaining anyway and get their exact asking price for Murray plus an additional 2nd. Idc to throw swaps in if that works better either, they will not be better than us in the Bam era so the swaps won’t amount to anything. Same for the Hornets.