NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 3: Son of Daughter of MVP thread)

[CD_41]

I'm hesitant to rank Embiid at number one now. He's already missed ten games and it hasn't even been half a season yet. I think it's pretty likely he doesn't hit the game requirement to be eligible and even if he does and he ends up playing like 66 games, would he really be more valuable than someone like Shai who could end up playing ~75-78 games? For reference, Shai, Jokic and Giannis have all only missed 1 game each so far, that'll increase as they rest certain games near the end but none of these guys have the first seed tied off so they might not rest as much if their seeding is either under threat or they can fight for a higher spot.

Embiid is on pace for the best statistical season in nba history. If he meets the requirements he will win the mvp.

You do realize that other MVP candidates can improve their stats as well? And that also team record plays a role in this?
A lot can change from now on until the end of the season. So focussing on a players statistics and leaving out all other factors is just sloppy thinking.

[CharityStripe34]

If you want to know why Giannis should be MVP, go check out the Bucks game against the Cavs tonight.

The bucks without Giannis down by 40 to the cavs....it WAS a layup line and the Cavs were smiling like it was warmups

The Cavs are either the dream team or Giannis team minus him is a lottery team lol....


So somewhere similar to the blazers with a older dame

Losing by 40 is the product of high variance play (42 three pointers), which sadly is becoming all too common in the NBA.

Couple nights ago there were 3 games on where a team as down 40 (!) - wtf is going on

Even if the Bucks made, say, 18 threes last night they still would've lost by 22 to a Cavs team without Garland & Mobley.

[Woodsanity]

Pretty much at the halfway point of the season. I don't see Embiid's stats dropping by a lot so the only limiter should be whether he reaches the games limit of 65 or not.

[CobraCommander]

The bucks without Giannis down by 40 to the cavs....it WAS a layup line and the Cavs were smiling like it was warmups

The Cavs are either the dream team or Giannis team minus him is a lottery team lol....


So somewhere similar to the blazers with a older dame

Losing by 40 is the product of high variance play (42 three pointers), which sadly is becoming all too common in the NBA.

Couple nights ago there were 3 games on where a team as down 40 (!) - wtf is going on

Even if the Bucks made, say, 18 threes last night they still would've lost by 22 to a Cavs team without Garland & Mobley.

The roster minus Giannis is suspect as hell.

Dame got blocked going to the rim by a guard - volley ball blocked - got hung on rim again dunking...not saying he is getting old but the explosive first step ain’t what it used to be

[CobraCommander]

Pretty much at the halfway point of the season. I don't see Embiid's stats dropping by a lot so the only limiter should be whether he reaches the games limit of 65 or not.

If he doesn’t make it it’s Jokic or Giannis to fight over

[Adam Stern]

Final tidbit from tonight's game.

Of the 9 DEN players who played, 3 of them had a positive plus minus. One was Jokic.

Of the 9 PHI players who played, 5 of them had a positive plus minus. None was Embiid.

"The others" won the game for PHI and lost it for DEN. Not a shock IMO.

Spoiler:

Jokic was a +1

Embiid was a 0

I know.
I laughed at how disingenuous the comment was on top of using +/- as a single game individual stat.

[NBA4Lyfe]

I'm hesitant to rank Embiid at number one now. He's already missed ten games and it hasn't even been half a season yet. I think it's pretty likely he doesn't hit the game requirement to be eligible and even if he does and he ends up playing like 66 games, would he really be more valuable than someone like Shai who could end up playing ~75-78 games? For reference, Shai, Jokic and Giannis have all only missed 1 game each so far, that'll increase as they rest certain games near the end but none of these guys have the first seed tied off so they might not rest as much if their seeding is either under threat or they can fight for a higher spot.

Embiid is on pace for the best statistical season in nba history. If he meets the requirements he will win the mvp.

It doesn’t matter how historic embiids season is, harden in 2019 was similar and Giannis got the mvp because of narrative and team record

[Bum Adebayo]

Jokic is having the best season, so he should be MVP for now, Embiid has been the 5th best player, last year he was impacting the game more, Jokic too but the dropoff is less. What I don't get is all the Giannis talk, this year he is the 25th best player for now, Mark Williams has higher RPM.

[Bum Adebayo]

I'm hesitant to rank Embiid at number one now. He's already missed ten games and it hasn't even been half a season yet. I think it's pretty likely he doesn't hit the game requirement to be eligible and even if he does and he ends up playing like 66 games, would he really be more valuable than someone like Shai who could end up playing ~75-78 games? For reference, Shai, Jokic and Giannis have all only missed 1 game each so far, that'll increase as they rest certain games near the end but none of these guys have the first seed tied off so they might not rest as much if their seeding is either under threat or they can fight for a higher spot.

Embiid is on pace for the best statistical season in nba history. If he meets the requirements he will win the mvp.

It doesn’t matter how historic embiids season is, harden in 2019 was similar and Giannis got the mvp because of narrative and team record

You are missing the main point, if one guy already has MVP and the other doesn't, then it's fair to give it to the one that doesn't have it, if both are playing at a not too different level.
Harden already had MVP, so it was fair to give it to Giannis. Just like this year I would like to see SGA or a guy like that to win it if they end the season very strong. I'm starting to feel a bit of fatigue always discussing Jokic / Embiid / Giannis as kinda the only MVP candidates every **** year.

[Woodsanity]

Pretty much at the halfway point of the season. I don't see Embiid's stats dropping by a lot so the only limiter should be whether he reaches the games limit of 65 or not.

If he doesn’t make it it’s Jokic or Giannis to fight over

Don't forget SGA imo.

[Hobo4President]

I'm hesitant to rank Embiid at number one now. He's already missed ten games and it hasn't even been half a season yet. I think it's pretty likely he doesn't hit the game requirement to be eligible and even if he does and he ends up playing like 66 games, would he really be more valuable than someone like Shai who could end up playing ~75-78 games? For reference, Shai, Jokic and Giannis have all only missed 1 game each so far, that'll increase as they rest certain games near the end but none of these guys have the first seed tied off so they might not rest as much if their seeding is either under threat or they can fight for a higher spot.

Embiid is on pace for the best statistical season in nba history. If he meets the requirements he will win the mvp.

Why do people on here always confuse prescriptions with descriptions.

[Wooderson]

Jokic is having the best season, so he should be MVP for now, Embiid has been the 5th best player, last year he was impacting the game more, Jokic too but the dropoff is less. What I don't get is all the Giannis talk, this year he is the 25th best player for now, Mark Williams has higher RPM.

The last time RPM was updated was December 7th, why are you relying on that lol.
It's also very noisy (even more so with the tiny, outdated sample they have so far).

Giannis is 3rd in rate EPM after Embiid/SGA and 2nd in EPM wins added after SGA.

[CobraCommander]

Jokic is having the best season, so he should be MVP for now, Embiid has been the 5th best player, last year he was impacting the game more, Jokic too but the dropoff is less. What I don't get is all the Giannis talk, this year he is the 25th best player for now, Mark Williams has higher RPM.

Do you just play fantasy basketball and never watch games?

4 dudes better than Embiid and 24 better than GIANNIS?!?!





Calling Embiid the 5th best and Giannis the 25th might be the most “I don’t watch basketball, I play fantasy and read stats” take ever.

I hate Embiid, cause he destroyed my wizards in playoffs, but there are not 4 people playing better than that man. You could argue 1 or at best 2… but 4… come on

and I would like to see your list of 24 people ahead of Giannis posted to i could see all the ridicule you get from the RealGM faithful lol

Please post your list of 4 better than Embiid and 24 better than Giannis

[Snotbubbles]

Jokic is having the best season, so he should be MVP for now, Embiid has been the 5th best player, last year he was impacting the game more, Jokic too but the dropoff is less. What I don't get is all the Giannis talk, this year he is the 25th best player for now, Mark Williams has higher RPM.

Do you just play fantasy basketball and never watch games?

4 dudes better than Embiid and 24 better than GIANNIS?!?!





Calling Embiid the 5th best and Giannis the 25th might be the most “I don’t watch basketball, I play fantasy and read stats” take ever.

I hate Embiid, cause he destroyed my wizards in playoffs, but there are not 4 people playing better than that man. You could argue 1 or at best 2… but 4… come on

and I would like to see your list of 24 people ahead of Giannis posted to i could see all the ridicule you get from the RealGM faithful lol

Please post your list of 4 better than Embiid and 24 better than Giannis

Honestly, this is the best Embiid has looked in all the years I've ever watched him play. He is un-guardable right now and he's a disruptor on defense as well. If he can just stay healthy for a playoff run...

[Bum Adebayo]

Jokic is having the best season, so he should be MVP for now, Embiid has been the 5th best player, last year he was impacting the game more, Jokic too but the dropoff is less. What I don't get is all the Giannis talk, this year he is the 25th best player for now, Mark Williams has higher RPM.

Do you just play fantasy basketball and never watch games?

4 dudes better than Embiid and 24 better than GIANNIS?!?!





Calling Embiid the 5th best and Giannis the 25th might be the most “I don’t watch basketball, I play fantasy and read stats” take ever.

I hate Embiid, cause he destroyed my wizards in playoffs, but there are not 4 people playing better than that man. You could argue 1 or at best 2… but 4… come on

and I would like to see your list of 24 people ahead of Giannis posted to i could see all the ridicule you get from the RealGM faithful lol

Please post your list of 4 better than Embiid and 24 better than Giannis

Honestly, this is the best Embiid has looked in all the years I've ever watched him play. He is un-guardable right now and he's a disruptor on defense as well. If he can just stay healthy for a playoff run...

Embiid won't get past Celtics, his only chance of getting past 2nd round is drawing Bucks instead.

[CharityStripe34]

Jokic is having the best season, so he should be MVP for now, Embiid has been the 5th best player, last year he was impacting the game more, Jokic too but the dropoff is less. What I don't get is all the Giannis talk, this year he is the 25th best player for now, Mark Williams has higher RPM.

Try closing some of the spreadsheet windows and getting some air.

[Snotbubbles]

Do you just play fantasy basketball and never watch games?

4 dudes better than Embiid and 24 better than GIANNIS?!?!





Calling Embiid the 5th best and Giannis the 25th might be the most “I don’t watch basketball, I play fantasy and read stats” take ever.

I hate Embiid, cause he destroyed my wizards in playoffs, but there are not 4 people playing better than that man. You could argue 1 or at best 2… but 4… come on

and I would like to see your list of 24 people ahead of Giannis posted to i could see all the ridicule you get from the RealGM faithful lol

Please post your list of 4 better than Embiid and 24 better than Giannis

Honestly, this is the best Embiid has looked in all the years I've ever watched him play. He is un-guardable right now and he's a disruptor on defense as well. If he can just stay healthy for a playoff run...

Embiid won't get past Celtics, his only chance of getting past 2nd round is drawing Bucks instead.

May is still a long ways away. I'll wait until I see if anything happens with trades or injuries before I make any declarations.

[DudetheObscure]

Embiid is on pace for the best statistical season in nba history.

LOL. When exactly does NBA history start for you? This wouldn't even be the best season in 76er history.

[AleksandarN]

I'm hesitant to rank Embiid at number one now. He's already missed ten games and it hasn't even been half a season yet. I think it's pretty likely he doesn't hit the game requirement to be eligible and even if he does and he ends up playing like 66 games, would he really be more valuable than someone like Shai who could end up playing ~75-78 games? For reference, Shai, Jokic and Giannis have all only missed 1 game each so far, that'll increase as they rest certain games near the end but none of these guys have the first seed tied off so they might not rest as much if their seeding is either under threat or they can fight for a higher spot.

Embiid is on pace for the best statistical season in nba history. If he meets the requirements he will win the mvp.

[Cubbies2120]

Honestly, this is the best Embiid has looked in all the years I've ever watched him play. He is un-guardable right now and he's a disruptor on defense as well. If he can just stay healthy for a playoff run...

He has looked amazing, but health is something all players have to deal with. Nobody is 100% healthy in any playoff run. There's always soreness, nagging injuries, etc. (Yes, soreness is 'not 100% healthy...if Embiid can sit games due to 'soreness', then logic follows that being sore = not 100% healthy).

Jokic had a sprained wrist in round 1 last year, he was questionable for a game, but he put a wrap on it and played. He wasn't as efficient but you didn't hear Nuggets fans saying "If only he was healthy..." (even though sprained wrist by definition is not healthy)

Embiid had a 'broken face' (idk what was actually fractured), he put a mask on it (kudos to him for stepping up and playing, like other stars have done as well with masks). Why do we hear the caveats for Embiid all the time?

This is the point I am driving home repeatedly to Sixers fans...
- Embiid is an INJURY PRONE PLAYER. It is not his fault. This is how his body is made - I think we ALL agree on this, no?
- If we agree with the above statement, then the caveats of "If he was healthy" are FANTASY WORLD. In FANTASY WORLD, Jokic has a 40 inch vertical and quick foot speed to keep up with Curry/Poole on the perimeter.

We live in REALITY. The REALITY is he is always injured, so you can play the 'what ifs' all you want in fantasy world, just remember he's not the only player that you could "Upgrade" [Injured --> Healthy] in that world.