What (or who) is the missing piece?

[NYKinMIA]

I feel violated knowing that craptor fans are stalking us more than ever.

can we file a restraining order on these mfers? Wingy, make it happen.

[spree2kawhi]

Bruce Brown is the best target fit for THIS season I've heard yet. D and O and ball handling yet seemingly affordable (more so than others mentioned) .

He can’t shoot. Is he even an upgrade over IQ?

[Stannis]

I feel violated knowing that craptor fans are stalking us more than ever.

can we file a restraining order on these mfers? Wingy, make it happen.

This dates back forever lol. cRaptors were always our #1 visitors on this board. Gameday threads with them were always fun. After the Bargs trade they rubbed it in for a while. This OG-RJ trade will keep use close for years to come haha.

We used to get a lot of visitors from the Bulls board IIRC.

[moocow007]

If you don't care about the idiocy then go get Draymond to address many of the things we've all discussed need fixing

Yeah I mean this type of a move is an outside the box idea that when the ideal is not there and the almost to somewhat ideal is just too expensive that may need some thought. High risk, high reward. This would be a Trevor Bauer like move (for those that are baseball fans). Looks ugly from out outset but starts looking much better as you grind through and realize that the better looking ones are going anywhere, aren't gettable or are just too expensive (in money or assets) to be worth it.

Do you mean not ideal in terms of perception?

Backup PF
Backup C
Another much needed high level facilitator
Another guy who can guard big wings
Stretch big

Checks off a lot of what we've been saying we need

Yes. Draymond the player is great. Draymond the personality is not so great lol. Believe as probably one of the biggest fans of both Dennis Rodman and Ron Artest (and even Lance Stephenson) you can find, I don't take the bad Draymond too much but folks will. Lots of folks. I'm also all for Trevor Bauer's return (I would prefer with the Yankees) but you'll have the vast peanut gallery chirping to high heaven about it. If Draymond didn't have the baggage then we most likely wouldnt have enough to get him.

[Guano]

What are we doing here

None of those first 4 options gives us a legit shot at a chip

Any of those 4 makes us much more talented (and talent plays and is one of the pre-reqs for winning in the NBA). Plus the assets that Rose has been accumulating will stop being assets as time passes. Some as soon as the trade deadline ends. Like I said, any of these guys will become assets. You actually can trade guys you trade for. Any of these guys would have very high value so if the Knicks can manage to convince the other team that their assets are enough (you have folks in the industry that have said they doubt the Knicks have enough, just want to let that elephant out the bag) then you do it even if it's not a guarantee to get you a title this year.

I dislike being this guy but the title specifically states "What (or who) is the missing piece?"

None of those 4 are the missing piece - assuming the "missing piece" is referring to building a championship caliber team and not just building a more competitively constructed roster that is.

[3toheadmelo]

What are we doing here

None of those first 4 options gives us a legit shot at a chip

Any of those 4 makes us much more talented (and talent plays and is one of the pre-reqs for winning in the NBA). Plus the assets that Rose has been accumulating will stop being assets as time passes. Some as soon as the trade deadline ends. Like I said, any of these guys will become assets. You actually can trade guys you trade for. Any of these guys would have very high value so if the Knicks can manage to convince the other team that their assets are enough (you have folks in the industry that have said they doubt the Knicks have enough, just want to let that elephant out the bag) then you do it even if it's not a guarantee to get you a title this year.

I dislike being this guy but the title specifically states "What (or who) is the missing piece?"

None of those 4 are the missing piece - assuming the "missing piece" is referring to building a championship caliber team and not just building a more competitively constructed roster that is.

we all know you want drummgawd on the poll

[cgf]

I'm totally on board with leaning into our defense until a true superstar becomes available. If Grimes doesn't want out, I'd be totally cool with using Fournier's expiring on Caruso & Williams (CHI), if we could get them for helping the Bulls get Murray & Hunter.

Pat could keep thibs from playing Julius & OG >36mpg, especially with AC tackling teams' top option when OG rested. Caruso's not a scorer, but he can run sets; getting Grimes/DDV & PatWill good looks behind the arc and utilizing Mitch as a roll man...and the defense would would be good enough to lock up starting units.

Any run would end as soon as Brundle got banged up, but that's probably gunna be true until we add a 3rd star.

[Guano]

Any of those 4 makes us much more talented (and talent plays and is one of the pre-reqs for winning in the NBA). Plus the assets that Rose has been accumulating will stop being assets as time passes. Some as soon as the trade deadline ends. Like I said, any of these guys will become assets. You actually can trade guys you trade for. Any of these guys would have very high value so if the Knicks can manage to convince the other team that their assets are enough (you have folks in the industry that have said they doubt the Knicks have enough, just want to let that elephant out the bag) then you do it even if it's not a guarantee to get you a title this year.

I dislike being this guy but the title specifically states "What (or who) is the missing piece?"

None of those 4 are the missing piece - assuming the "missing piece" is referring to building a championship caliber team and not just building a more competitively constructed roster that is.

we all know you want drummgawd on the poll

While I enjoy the suffering of you all and would be willing to suffer so you would too I have my limits and being forced to watch drumgawd is that limit.

I'd settle for Naz Ried and Sexton though

[3toheadmelo]

I dislike being this guy but the title specifically states "What (or who) is the missing piece?"

None of those 4 are the missing piece - assuming the "missing piece" is referring to building a championship caliber team and not just building a more competitively constructed roster that is.

we all know you want drummgawd on the poll

While I enjoy the suffering of you all and would be willing to suffer so you would too I have my limits and being forced to watch drumgawd is that limit.

I'd settle for Naz Ried and Sexton though

dont deny it anymore guan0. you know you want this



but yes i want sexton really bad. i think utah is going to keep him though. don't see the timberwolves moving naz since they have him on a great contract too. i think we're gonna get old man brogdon.

[moocow007]

What are we doing here

None of those first 4 options gives us a legit shot at a chip

Any of those 4 makes us much more talented (and talent plays and is one of the pre-reqs for winning in the NBA). Plus the assets that Rose has been accumulating will stop being assets as time passes. Some as soon as the trade deadline ends. Like I said, any of these guys will become assets. You actually can trade guys you trade for. Any of these guys would have very high value so if the Knicks can manage to convince the other team that their assets are enough (you have folks in the industry that have said they doubt the Knicks have enough, just want to let that elephant out the bag) then you do it even if it's not a guarantee to get you a title this year.

I dislike being this guy but the title specifically states "What (or who) is the missing piece?"

None of those 4 are the missing piece - assuming the "missing piece" is referring to building a championship caliber team and not just building a more competitively constructed roster that is.

To build a championship takes time and you need assets that other teams may be interested in. The Knicks current assets are overblown (not just me but by many people that are more in the know). IF they can convert those mostly heavily protected picks and some middle of the pack young guys like Grimes to an All-Star level player that actually can go a long way in building a championship contender. That's my point.

[Guano]

we all know you want drummgawd on the poll

While I enjoy the suffering of you all and would be willing to suffer so you would too I have my limits and being forced to watch drumgawd is that limit.

I'd settle for Naz Ried and Sexton though

dont deny it anymore guan0. you know you want this



but yes i want sexton really bad. i think utah is going to keep him though. don't see the timberwolves moving naz since they have him on a great contract too. i think we're gonna get old man brogdon.

Thibs would end up benching iHart for 40+ mins of drumgawd. You want sham to win?


And I agree on both accounts - wolves aren't moving Naz and ainge isn't worth dealing with if they even decide to move Sexton. Tbh, I think we end up with Brogdan.

Though I really feel like we need a back up sf/pf more than anything. OG/Randle mins are too much. Deuce is serviceable enough to hold down some mins to spell Brunson.

[cgf]

What are we doing here

None of those first 4 options gives us a legit shot at a chip

Any of those 4 makes us much more talented (and talent plays and is one of the pre-reqs for winning in the NBA). Plus the assets that Rose has been accumulating will stop being assets as time passes. Some as soon as the trade deadline ends. Like I said, any of these guys will become assets. You actually can trade guys you trade for. Any of these guys would have very high value so if the Knicks can manage to convince the other team that their assets are enough (you have folks in the industry that have said they doubt the Knicks have enough, just want to let that elephant out the bag) then you do it even if it's not a guarantee to get you a title this year.

I dislike being this guy but the title specifically states "What (or who) is the missing piece?"

None of those 4 are the missing piece - assuming the "missing piece" is referring to building a championship caliber team and not just building a more competitively constructed roster that is.

Depending on what went into the trade and their attitude, but I honestly think with Mitchell or Lavine we could win a ring in this era of parity. Our defense has been pretty dominant since the OG trade, Brunson can decide games in crunch time, and with Mitch & IH we'd have a unique advantage on the offensive glass. If we had a third star to beat up on 2nd units when Brundle rested and bolstered our depth enough to withstand some depth injuries, this group could totally win a ring.

Now Mitchell isn't currently available and I'm not sure I trust him to commit to playing the way he would to make Brunson-Mitchell the new Rolls-Royce backcourt...but he is defending better than he ever has before, and although he's not very active off the ball, his C&S #s have been pretty bonkers. With Brunson's strengths as an offball guy, it's not hard to envision Spida & JB being a suped up version of Brunson-Quickley for us. Especially now that we have OG at the 3.

We'd have to get Caruso alongside Lavine and Zach would need to be cool with getting the RJ role...start but come off early to lead the 2nd unit, only closing when he's on fire...but if that were the case, I think that could be enough for us to win as well. Lavine's become a really good off-ball guy playing with DeMar and now Coby, who's on-ball D is solid so teams can't isolate him and pick on him. So he'd help open the court for Brundle while having the on-ball skills to crush 2nd units if we just sent him out there with a bunch of defenders / transition guys.

Both would be really risky, but if a healthy Julius can play the way he has been in the playoffs and Mitch comes back ready to give us 18-20mpg at the level he was playing to start the year, we are just a 3rd star creator and some depth tweaks/reinforcements away.

[Guano]

Any of those 4 makes us much more talented (and talent plays and is one of the pre-reqs for winning in the NBA). Plus the assets that Rose has been accumulating will stop being assets as time passes. Some as soon as the trade deadline ends. Like I said, any of these guys will become assets. You actually can trade guys you trade for. Any of these guys would have very high value so if the Knicks can manage to convince the other team that their assets are enough (you have folks in the industry that have said they doubt the Knicks have enough, just want to let that elephant out the bag) then you do it even if it's not a guarantee to get you a title this year.

I dislike being this guy but the title specifically states "What (or who) is the missing piece?"

None of those 4 are the missing piece - assuming the "missing piece" is referring to building a championship caliber team and not just building a more competitively constructed roster that is.

To build a championship takes time and you need assets that other teams may be interested in. The Knicks current assets are overblown (not just me but by many people that are more in the know). IF they can convert those mostly heavily protected picks and some middle of the pack young guys like Grimes to an All-Star level player that actually can go a long way in building a championship contender. That's my point.

Changed the title to better reflect your point.

[3toheadmelo]

While I enjoy the suffering of you all and would be willing to suffer so you would too I have my limits and being forced to watch drumgawd is that limit.

I'd settle for Naz Ried and Sexton though

dont deny it anymore guan0. you know you want this



but yes i want sexton really bad. i think utah is going to keep him though. don't see the timberwolves moving naz since they have him on a great contract too. i think we're gonna get old man brogdon.

Thibs would end up benching iHart for 40+ mins of drumgawd. You want sham to win?


And I agree on both accounts - wolves aren't moving Naz and ainge isn't worth dealing with if they even decide to move Sexton. Tbh, I think we end up with Brogdan.

Though I really feel like we need a back up sf/pf more than anything. OG/Randle mins are too much. Deuce is serviceable enough to hold down some mins to spell Brunson.

it depends. teaming up with sham to watch you suffer might be worth it

i think targeting a ball handler should be our priority imo. deuce has started to look like ass again. but we could def use a backup sf/pf too. randle and og might not survive if they can't get any rest. honestly.. why not look into someone like bagley as a backup pf. hes on a cheap contract and he's pretty solid when he gets playing time. nickeil alexander walker would be a great backup SF too.

[Guano]

Any of those 4 makes us much more talented (and talent plays and is one of the pre-reqs for winning in the NBA). Plus the assets that Rose has been accumulating will stop being assets as time passes. Some as soon as the trade deadline ends. Like I said, any of these guys will become assets. You actually can trade guys you trade for. Any of these guys would have very high value so if the Knicks can manage to convince the other team that their assets are enough (you have folks in the industry that have said they doubt the Knicks have enough, just want to let that elephant out the bag) then you do it even if it's not a guarantee to get you a title this year.

I dislike being this guy but the title specifically states "What (or who) is the missing piece?"

None of those 4 are the missing piece - assuming the "missing piece" is referring to building a championship caliber team and not just building a more competitively constructed roster that is.

Depending on what went into the trade and their attitude, but I honestly think with Mitchell or Lavine we could win a ring in this era of parity. Our defense has been pretty dominant since the OG trade, Brunson can decide games in crunch time, and with Mitch & IH we'd have a unique advantage on the offensive glass. If we had a third star to beat up on 2nd units when Brundle rested and bolstered our depth enough to withstand some depth injuries, this group could totally win a ring.

Now Mitchell isn't currently available and I'm not sure I trust him to commit to playing the way he would to make Brunson-Mitchell the new Rolls-Royce backcourt...but he is defending better than he ever has before, and although he's not very active off the ball, his C&S #s have been pretty bonkers. With Brunson's strengths as an offball guy, it's not hard to envision Spida & JB being a suped up version of Brunson-Quickley for us. Especially now that we have OG at the 3.

We'd have to get Caruso alongside Lavine and Zach would need to be cool with getting the RJ role...start but come off early to lead the 2nd unit, only closing when he's on fire...but if that were the case, I think that could be enough for us to win as well. Lavine's become a really good off-ball guy playing with DeMar and now Coby, who's on-ball D is solid so teams can't isolate him and pick on him. So he'd help open the court for Brundle while having the on-ball skills to crush 2nd units if we just sent him out there with a bunch of defenders / transition guys.

Both would be really risky, but if a healthy Julius can play the way he has been in the playoffs and Mitch comes back ready to give us 18-20mpg at the level he was playing to start the year, we are just a 3rd star creator and some depth tweaks/reinforcements away.

I'm not opposed to the Donovan and Brunson union I just have my reservations about it leading us to championship contention.

At this point I'd love to see us bring in more wing help

[8516knicks]

Bruce Brown is the best target fit for THIS season I've heard yet. D and O and ball handling yet seemingly affordable (more so than others mentioned) .

He can’t shoot. Is he even an upgrade over IQ?

I think IQ is a pretty high bar to reach for a bench scorer. So no, not an upgrade but perhaps a decent or better patch. He scored pretty good last year.

[Guano]

dont deny it anymore guan0. you know you want this



but yes i want sexton really bad. i think utah is going to keep him though. don't see the timberwolves moving naz since they have him on a great contract too. i think we're gonna get old man brogdon.

Thibs would end up benching iHart for 40+ mins of drumgawd. You want sham to win?


And I agree on both accounts - wolves aren't moving Naz and ainge isn't worth dealing with if they even decide to move Sexton. Tbh, I think we end up with Brogdan.

Though I really feel like we need a back up sf/pf more than anything. OG/Randle mins are too much. Deuce is serviceable enough to hold down some mins to spell Brunson.

it depends. teaming up with sham to watch you suffer might be worth it

i think targeting a ball handler should be our priority imo. deuce has started to look like ass again. but we could def use a backup sf/pf too. randle and og might not survive if they can't get any rest. honestly.. why not look into someone like bagley as a backup pf. hes on a cheap contract and he's pretty solid when he gets playing time. nickeil alexander walker would be a great backup SF too.

Make it make sense - how would I suffer when I'm his number 1 fan?

I doubt Sexton would eat into Brunson's mins. He would most likely take some of ddv mins and some of jHarts.

Thibs rotations are a serious problem. This work load is not sustainable. Problem is I doubt brining in guys is going to change that. I also have doubts we will make another move.

It would be nice if we had some cheap cost controlled young players developing but we've been punting the draft.

[3toheadmelo]

Thibs would end up benching iHart for 40+ mins of drumgawd. You want sham to win?


And I agree on both accounts - wolves aren't moving Naz and ainge isn't worth dealing with if they even decide to move Sexton. Tbh, I think we end up with Brogdan.

Though I really feel like we need a back up sf/pf more than anything. OG/Randle mins are too much. Deuce is serviceable enough to hold down some mins to spell Brunson.

it depends. teaming up with sham to watch you suffer might be worth it

i think targeting a ball handler should be our priority imo. deuce has started to look like ass again. but we could def use a backup sf/pf too. randle and og might not survive if they can't get any rest. honestly.. why not look into someone like bagley as a backup pf. hes on a cheap contract and he's pretty solid when he gets playing time. nickeil alexander walker would be a great backup SF too.

Make it make sense - how would I suffer when I'm his number 1 fan?

I doubt Sexton would eat into Brunson's mins. He would most likely take some of ddv mins and some of jHarts.

Thibs rotations are a serious problem. This work load is not sustainable. Problem is I doubt brining in guys is going to change that. I also have doubts we will make another move.

It would be nice if we had some cheap cost controlled young players developing but we've been punting the draft.

you just said you dont want to watch drummgawd anymore. make up ur mind greenuan0!!!!

i miss drafting players and debating about them in the draft threads. those days used to be fun. now we get to argue about old vets. lol

[KOA]

Lauri is a really underrated name on this list.
Provides a lot of versatility and super efficient scoring

He's a worse defender than Randle and does nothing for our lack of creation outside of Brundle. He's a great finisher, but his % of assisted FGs is Grimes-like.

We might have different definitions of what constitutes defense. Randle is by far the worst defender at his position in the NBA. His defensive metrics won’t even do it justice because he doesn’t get back on defense. When he does, he never contests shots and allows people to blow by him. It’s evident in every single game.

I’m not saying Lauri is a good defender by any means, but there is absolutely no way you can say Randle is better.

I also am highly against bringing in more ISO ball. I’d rather bring in another facilitator and have more efficient scorers like Lauri who can move without the ball.

Just look at how much the starting lineup improved when we replaced an ISO scorer with a ball mover who can knock down shots.

[spree2kawhi]

Bruce Brown is the best target fit for THIS season I've heard yet. D and O and ball handling yet seemingly affordable (more so than others mentioned) .

He can’t shoot. Is he even an upgrade over IQ?

I think IQ is a pretty high bar to reach for a bench scorer. So no, not an upgrade but perhaps a decent or better patch. He scored pretty good last year.

I was never a fan nor impressed. But if they brought him in, I’d curiously wait and see … However, shooting and defense are my keys to any acquisition. Brown only provides little of that.