Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 3.0

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Weak offer and your young guy you’re trying to send has been terrible and plays the same position as the Hawks franchise cornerstone and their young guy AJ Griffin. This deal does nothing for the Hawks and we can easily beat. Not worried about this at all.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I remember when this room wanted to trade 3 first for Bey when he was in Detroit

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No you don’t

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Pretty sure the Lakers only have 1 1st they can trade. They’re not a serious threat to us if Pat really wants Murray and is willing to give a serious offer that isn’t disrespectful to the Hawks.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[twix2500]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Yep so I think 2 is completely fair, you’re not getting what you sent out for a player 2 years later, especially when they were coming off an all star season when you traded for them.

Also why the Cavs are not going to be able to get a package like what they sent out for Mitchell when he asks out, basically will be expiring and will be 2-3 years older than when you got him. At least in Murray’s case he’s already signed an extension and is on the books for 3-4 more seasons after this one

Also have to account for the Lowry expiring having value as well, which to me is equal to atleast 1 FRP.

Would be nice if we could get this deal done without Jovic and instead giving them Martin and 2nd rd pick being enough but not sure.

I am no salary cap guy....

but

Murray makes 25m next season..wouldn't the Heat loose Martin next year anyway? Again, not a salary cap dude..at all...but...I think Miami would have like 3m-ish in luxury space to sign like 3 people unless Martian's 7m left the team too.

10m-ish if Martin goes for 4 people

12.5m-ish if Martin walks and Jovic is traded for 5 people

Assuming other dudes like Love, Bryant and j-rich opt in

Maybe someone that understands all this can weigh in....

[AirP.]

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He's expiring and he's someone Miami has been interested in...
I like him and his size at PG in Spoelstra's switching defensive schemes.

From 2021

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[IceColdCubano]

Also have to account for the Lowry expiring having value as well, which to me is equal to atleast 1 FRP.

Would be nice if we could get this deal done without Jovic and instead giving them Martin and 2nd rd pick being enough but not sure.

I am no salary cap guy....

but

Murray makes 25m next season..wouldn't the Heat loose Martin next year anyway? Again, not a salary cap dude..at all...but...I think Miami would have like 3m-ish in luxury space to sign like 3 people unless Martian's 7m left the team too.

10m-ish if Martin goes for 4 people

12.5m-ish if Martin walks and Jovic is traded for 5 people

Assuming other dudes like Love, Bryant and j-rich opt in

Maybe someone that understands all this can weigh in....

Because of cap holds, and contracts going up on other players, You do not get the full $29M expiring from Lowry. We are over 14.5M over the Tax line now. Therefore you will only have a total of 14M and change of Free space next year with Lowry Expiring. If you have Murrays contract at 25M, that means you will be over the 2nd Apron next year by 9M dollars. Even if you send Caleb in the deal it only changes the tax implications this year, not next, you wouldn't have money to resign him regardless. This is the issue with sending out Lowry. The incoming salary needs to give us at a minimum 14M in savings or expiring's somewhere which means sending out Lowry plus other guys in multi year deals to relieve us, however there aren't any big contracts after Lowry outside of Duncan.

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Would be nice if we could get this deal done without Jovic and instead giving them Martin and 2nd rd pick being enough but not sure.

I am no salary cap guy....

but

Murray makes 25m next season..wouldn't the Heat loose Martin next year anyway? Again, not a salary cap dude..at all...but...I think Miami would have like 3m-ish in luxury space to sign like 3 people unless Martian's 7m left the team too.

10m-ish if Martin goes for 4 people

12.5m-ish if Martin walks and Jovic is traded for 5 people

Assuming other dudes like Love, Bryant and j-rich opt in

Maybe someone that understands all this can weigh in....

Because of cap holds, and contracts going up on other players, You do not get the full $29M expiring from Lowry. We are over 14.5M over the Tax line now. Therefore you will only have a total of 14M and change of Free space next year with Lowry Expiring. If you have Murrays contract at 25M, that means you will be over the 2nd Apron next year by 9M dollars. Even if you send Caleb in the deal it only changes the tax implications this year, not next, you wouldn't have money to resign him regardless. This is the issue with sending out Lowry. The incoming salary needs to give us at a minimum 14M in savings or expiring's somewhere which means sending out Lowry plus other guys in multi year deals to relieve us, however there aren't any big contracts after Lowry outside of Duncan.

Would make it rather difficult to resign Bey as well which would be a damn shame. Duncan’s salary slot is really the key.

[IceColdCubano]

Would be nice if we could get this deal done without Jovic and instead giving them Martin and 2nd rd pick being enough but not sure.

I am no salary cap guy....

but

Murray makes 25m next season..wouldn't the Heat loose Martin next year anyway? Again, not a salary cap dude..at all...but...I think Miami would have like 3m-ish in luxury space to sign like 3 people unless Martian's 7m left the team too.

10m-ish if Martin goes for 4 people

12.5m-ish if Martin walks and Jovic is traded for 5 people

Assuming other dudes like Love, Bryant and j-rich opt in

Maybe someone that understands all this can weigh in....

Because of cap holds, and contracts going up on other players, You do not get the full $29M expiring from Lowry. We are over 14.5M over the Tax line now. Therefore you will only have a total of 14M and change of Free space next year with Lowry Expiring. If you have Murrays contract at 25M, that means you will be over the 2nd Apron next year by 9M dollars. Even if you send Caleb in the deal it only changes the tax implications this year, not next, you wouldn't have money to resign him regardless. This is the issue with sending out Lowry. The incoming salary needs to give us at a minimum 14M in savings or expiring's somewhere which means sending out Lowry plus other guys in multi year deals to relieve us, however there aren't any big contracts after Lowry outside of Duncan.

Piggy backing off my own response, this is not the end all be all of this. We have some savvy azz FO financial guys. There is an avenue where you make a multi team deal where one team has the ability to absorb some contracts from us like Dru SMith, Thomas Bryant, Jovic hell even perhaps a Duncan Robinson and we have less salary coming back. The second avenue is after completing a successful trade for Murray and were farther into the tax for next year, we make a secondary trade of cap relief to another team sending off 1 FRP and decent player to get some added savings, most likely a Duncan Robinson or something.

[IceColdCubano]

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I agree here with Wes, there is nothing that Murray has done in the last game or will do in tonights game to improve or lower his value. Our FO knows and has scouted division rivals to nauseum.

[wade44]

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This. You would think this fanbase/forum would learn its lesson by now

[twix2500]

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[_GH0ST_]

Murray, Rozier, Mitchell or someone else.. Let's add a player to the team through trade. We acquired Trevor Ariza via trade in 2021, and we have not added any players to the team via trade since then. Dawg.. 3 fxking years.. Come on Patrick.

[IceColdCubano]

I am not holding my breath on a trade, I know if this goes down, its happens February 7th-8th They love their last minute last call for alcohol deals. Whatever happens in this Trade Deadline tells me everything I need to know about the FO headspace moving forward. If nothing goes down, and I deals happen with Murray, Terry that we could beaten going elsewhere. They are one foot into the bridge build of JJJ, Jovic, Bam, Herro and Jimmy is now just along for the ride until retirement.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Weak.

[SoFlaKingReal]

Murray, Rozier, Mitchell or someone else.. Let's add a player to the team through trade. We acquired Trevor Ariza via trade in 2021, and we have not added any players to the team via trade since then. Dawg.. 3 fxking years.. Come on Patrick.

Yep, we traded for Oladipo in March 2021, but thats the last one.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I am not holding my breath on a trade, I know if this goes down, its happens February 7th-8th They love their last minute last call for alcohol deals. Whatever happens in this Trade Deadline tells me everything I need to know about the FO headspace moving forward. If nothing goes down, and I deals happen with Murray, Terry that we could beaten going elsewhere. They are one foot into the bridge build of JJJ, Jovic, Bam, Herro and Jimmy is now just along for the ride until retirement.

Patrick James Riley aka The Washedfather