2023-24 Regular Season

[toooskies]

There was a note from an interview that ESPN did with Garland before the Bucks game yesterday that said he had lost 10 pounds while his jaw was wired shut.

[JonFromVA]

There was a note from an interview that ESPN did with Garland before the Bucks game yesterday that said he had lost 10 pounds while his jaw was wired shut.

That sounds like it could be a serious problem depending how much fat he had left to burn .vs. how much muscle loss he suffered, but we shall see after he has time to get back in to at least game shape.

[JujitsuFlip]

There was a note from an interview that ESPN did with Garland before the Bucks game yesterday that said he had lost 10 pounds while his jaw was wired shut.

That sounds like it could be a serious problem depending how much fat he had left to burn .vs. how much muscle loss he suffered, but we shall see after he has time to get back in to at least game shape.

When they were originally talking about him coming back that was one of the comments. They not only needed him in game shape (from a getting his wind perspective) but also game weight, i assume so he's not too small.

When i got covid really bad one time for like 2 weeks it was hard to eat or strictly liquids and i lost probably 10 or 20 pounds.

I think that is why they said they're aiming for the end of the month for his return, so it's a more realistic timeline.

[toooskies]

Perhaps a stupid question: If Mobley comes back and plays at roughly the level he has played at in the early season, and the team has a significant amount of success, do you give him a max contract extension?

[JujitsuFlip]

Perhaps a stupid question: If Mobley comes back and plays at roughly the level he has played at in the early season, and the team has a significant amount of success, do you give him a max contract extension?

I personally think you offer him the 5 year extension regardless.

As jbk pointed out in other threads he can't be a designated rookie max but I'd give him 5 years, i don't see why not; he's 22.

[JonFromVA]

Perhaps a stupid question: If Mobley comes back and plays at roughly the level he has played at in the early season, and the team has a significant amount of success, do you give him a max contract extension?

The presumption was that he was going to get a max and we wouldn't think twice about it, but Darius' new deal is paying him $34M and it escalates to $44.8M at the end. That seems like a crazy amount of money to pay for a a player who may be primarily a defensive big.

A Jaren Jackson Jr like deal that started at the max and went down would be sweet.

otoh, the cap has been exploding in a crazy way, so maybe the designated rookie max will seem cheap sense in 5 years.

[JujitsuFlip]

Perhaps a stupid question: If Mobley comes back and plays at roughly the level he has played at in the early season, and the team has a significant amount of success, do you give him a max contract extension?

The presumption was that he was going to get a max and we wouldn't think twice about it, but Darius' new deal is paying him $34M and it escalates to $44.8M at the end. That seems like a crazy amount of money to pay for a a player who may be primarily a defensive big.

A Jaren Jackson Jr like deal that started at the max and went down would be sweet.

otoh, the cap has been exploding in a crazy way, so maybe the designated rookie max will seem cheap sense in 5 years.

They have to trade Mitchell to offer Mobley the designated rookie max. Teams can only have 2 per roster.

[JonFromVA]

Perhaps a stupid question: If Mobley comes back and plays at roughly the level he has played at in the early season, and the team has a significant amount of success, do you give him a max contract extension?

The presumption was that he was going to get a max and we wouldn't think twice about it, but Darius' new deal is paying him $34M and it escalates to $44.8M at the end. That seems like a crazy amount of money to pay for a a player who may be primarily a defensive big.

A Jaren Jackson Jr like deal that started at the max and went down would be sweet.

otoh, the cap has been exploding in a crazy way, so maybe the designated rookie max will seem cheap sense in 5 years.

They have to trade Mitchell to offer Mobley the designated rookie max. Teams can only have 2 per roster.

The new CBA eliminated that rule last I knew.

[JujitsuFlip]

The presumption was that he was going to get a max and we wouldn't think twice about it, but Darius' new deal is paying him $34M and it escalates to $44.8M at the end. That seems like a crazy amount of money to pay for a a player who may be primarily a defensive big.

A Jaren Jackson Jr like deal that started at the max and went down would be sweet.

otoh, the cap has been exploding in a crazy way, so maybe the designated rookie max will seem cheap sense in 5 years.

They have to trade Mitchell to offer Mobley the designated rookie max. Teams can only have 2 per roster.

The new CBA eliminated that rule last I knew.

Nope, just made it where they can offer Mobley 5 years instead of 4 years, it kept in place only 2 designated rookie max per team. It's all about the pay scale and % raise.

[JonFromVA]

They have to trade Mitchell to offer Mobley the designated rookie max. Teams can only have 2 per roster.

The new CBA eliminated that rule last I knew.

Nope, just made it where they can offer Mobley 5 years instead of 4 years, it kept in place only 2 designated rookie max per team. It's all about the pay scale and % raise.

So, the raises can't be as high as DG, that'd certainly help (if he takes it now rather than waiting a year), but a de-escalating salary like JJJ signed would still be a lot easier to justify.

[JujitsuFlip]

The new CBA eliminated that rule last I knew.

Nope, just made it where they can offer Mobley 5 years instead of 4 years, it kept in place only 2 designated rookie max per team. It's all about the pay scale and % raise.

So, the raises can't be as high as DG, that'd certainly help (if he takes it now rather than waiting a year), but a de-escalating salary like JJJ signed would still be a lot easier to justify.

As long as they can lock him up long term, i don't really mind what he makes.

[JonFromVA]

Nope, just made it where they can offer Mobley 5 years instead of 4 years, it kept in place only 2 designated rookie max per team. It's all about the pay scale and % raise.

So, the raises can't be as high as DG, that'd certainly help (if he takes it now rather than waiting a year), but a de-escalating salary like JJJ signed would still be a lot easier to justify.

As long as they can lock him up long term, i don't really mind what he makes.

I only mind so much as overpaying Evan may cost us a valuable teammate and/or make it harder re-balance the roster if we ever decide to do that.

[JujitsuFlip]

So, the raises can't be as high as DG, that'd certainly help (if he takes it now rather than waiting a year), but a de-escalating salary like JJJ signed would still be a lot easier to justify.

As long as they can lock him up long term, i don't really mind what he makes.

I only mind so much as overpaying Evan may cost us a valuable teammate and/or make it harder re-balance the roster if we ever decide to do that.

It just depends what he becomes. If he's already hit his ceiling, i agree with you but he could develop a lot over those 6 years (5 + the 1 year left on his rookie deal).

[JujitsuFlip]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39322549/cavaliers-darius-garland-cleared-some-court-activitieshttps://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39322549/cavaliers-darius-garland-cleared-some-court-activities

I wonder what the "some" is, i assume anything avoiding that jaw.

Probably individual work but nothing involving contact.

Nice to see Mobley doing work too.

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/cavaliers-evan-mobley-takes-first-step-forward-in-rehab/

You're right, Mobley got a workout in too. Nice to finally start hearing some updates on these guys, Cavs went radio silent there for a little bit.

[toooskies]

As long as they can lock him up long term, i don't really mind what he makes.

I only mind so much as overpaying Evan may cost us a valuable teammate and/or make it harder re-balance the roster if we ever decide to do that.

It just depends what he becomes. If he's already hit his ceiling, i agree with you but he could develop a lot over those 6 years (5 + the 1 year left on his rookie deal).

I wouldn't say Evan has already hit his ceiling, but I also can't rule out the possibility that he came into the league so polished that he might not have all that much development headroom and his peak might be as a fringe all-star. Which is why a JJJ-level contract might be more appropriate for him than a max contract, and that may change how much the team can spend on the rest of the roster.

Which is somewhat important when a trade before the deadline might require turning short-term contracts like LeVert's into longer-term contracts.

[JonFromVA]

I only mind so much as overpaying Evan may cost us a valuable teammate and/or make it harder re-balance the roster if we ever decide to do that.

It just depends what he becomes. If he's already hit his ceiling, i agree with you but he could develop a lot over those 6 years (5 + the 1 year left on his rookie deal).

I wouldn't say Evan has already hit his ceiling, but I also can't rule out the possibility that he came into the league so polished that he might not have all that much development headroom and his peak might be as a fringe all-star. Which is why a JJJ-level contract might be more appropriate for him than a max contract, and that may change how much the team can spend on the rest of the roster.

Which is somewhat important when a trade before the deadline might require turning short-term contracts like LeVert's into longer-term contracts.

I'll leave it to jbk to argue the value of not over-paying players, that's not my thing; I just don't think we will need to pay Evan like he's a AD/TD/KG/etc if he's not playing like them. If he starts to flash more of an offensive game, or he prefers to take a pass on the extension and bet that he takes that step next season that's another matter.

[JujitsuFlip]

It just depends what he becomes. If he's already hit his ceiling, i agree with you but he could develop a lot over those 6 years (5 + the 1 year left on his rookie deal).

I wouldn't say Evan has already hit his ceiling, but I also can't rule out the possibility that he came into the league so polished that he might not have all that much development headroom and his peak might be as a fringe all-star. Which is why a JJJ-level contract might be more appropriate for him than a max contract, and that may change how much the team can spend on the rest of the roster.

Which is somewhat important when a trade before the deadline might require turning short-term contracts like LeVert's into longer-term contracts.

I'll leave it to jbk to argue the value of not over-paying players, that's not my thing; I just don't think we will need to pay Evan like he's a AD/TD/KG/etc if he's not playing like them. If he starts to flash more of an offensive game, or he prefers to take a pass on the extension and bet that he takes that step next season that's another matter.

After the little knee scare, i bet he takes the money first chance he gets.

[JonFromVA]

I wouldn't say Evan has already hit his ceiling, but I also can't rule out the possibility that he came into the league so polished that he might not have all that much development headroom and his peak might be as a fringe all-star. Which is why a JJJ-level contract might be more appropriate for him than a max contract, and that may change how much the team can spend on the rest of the roster.

Which is somewhat important when a trade before the deadline might require turning short-term contracts like LeVert's into longer-term contracts.

I'll leave it to jbk to argue the value of not over-paying players, that's not my thing; I just don't think we will need to pay Evan like he's a AD/TD/KG/etc if he's not playing like them. If he starts to flash more of an offensive game, or he prefers to take a pass on the extension and bet that he takes that step next season that's another matter.

After the little knee scare, i bet he takes the money first chance he gets.

We still need to see how his knee responds post-op, but it wasn't supposed to be anything major. Sounded like the sort of clean up surgery most players would just ignore until the off-season and then get it scoped.

[JujitsuFlip]

I'll leave it to jbk to argue the value of not over-paying players, that's not my thing; I just don't think we will need to pay Evan like he's a AD/TD/KG/etc if he's not playing like them. If he starts to flash more of an offensive game, or he prefers to take a pass on the extension and bet that he takes that step next season that's another matter.

After the little knee scare, i bet he takes the money first chance he gets.

We still need to see how his knee responds post-op, but it wasn't supposed to be anything major. Sounded like the sort of clean up surgery most players would just ignore until the off-season and then get it scoped.

He might hold us hostage until we sign his brother to a standard NBA deal lol j.k but seriously.

[toooskies]

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