Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas -Trade Deadline Thursday 2 pm CT

[Shaffty]

But again, I think too many people are asking if we have the assets to pull it off (I doubt it but I also think Murray got really overrated), and not enough people asking why Dame/Giannis' "guy" in the media is the first to report on this.

he also never reports stuff in this fashion

[-Jragon-]

Ignoring the part where I don't understand how we could even trade for him with our trade "assets" does adding a guy like Dejounte even make any sense on this team?

He's shooting 39% on 3s this year with decent volume. Really just hope he replaces Beas in the starting lineup and increases his D in a reduced role.

Not sure I want to pay him $25 million a year starting next season for a reduced offensive role and the hope that he starts playing defense again. Pass.

Sounds like a value compared to what we're doing now

[raferfenix]

But again, I think too many people are asking if we have the assets to pull it off (I doubt it but I also think Murray got really overrated), and not enough people asking why Dame/Giannis' "guy" in the media is the first to report on this.

he also never reports stuff in this fashion

Could be Giannis / Dame leaking to pressure Horst to close the deal.

Or Horst himself taking the fan base’s temperature.

Not sure if it goes to Haynes if Atlanta let it loose but they do have clear incentive to try and start a bidding war.

[yannisk]

Wouldn’t all this’ve been exposed during interviews with Horst et al? Like ‘What schemes, IF HIRED, do you propose to install and run with our current roster?' What would Edens’ & Horsts’ thinking

Do Horst or Edens have the background to evaluate if a scheme will be a success or not? I would have hoped they have an experienced basketball person to help them with this kind of stuff, but do they actually have someone?

[MickeyDavis]

But again, I think too many people are asking if we have the assets to pull it off (I doubt it but I also think Murray got really overrated), and not enough people asking why Dame/Giannis' "guy" in the media is the first to report on this.

he also never reports stuff in this fashion

Could be Giannis / Dame leaking to pressure Horst to close the deal.

Or Horst himself taking the fan base’s temperature.

Not sure if it goes to Haynes if Atlanta let it loose but they do have clear incentive to try and start a bidding war.

Teams and agents do "leak" stuff to attempt to drive up the price. Saying there's "interest" doesn't mean anything really. I doubt anything is coming from Horst, Bucks leaks stopped with Lasry. Horst's moves come out of nowhere.

[MickeyDavis]

Wouldn’t all this’ve been exposed during interviews with Horst et al? Like ‘What schemes, IF HIRED, do you propose to install and run with our current roster?' What would Edens’ & Horsts’ thinking

Do Horst or Edens have the background to evaluate if a scheme will be a success or not? I would have hoped they have an experienced basketball person to help them with this kind of stuff, but do they actually have someone?

He can say all the right things in the interview and still be inept when it comes to implementation. I've interviewed people who nailed the interview and underperformed on the actual job.

And the players themselves are not insulated here either.

[Shaffty]

he also never reports stuff in this fashion

Could be Giannis / Dame leaking to pressure Horst to close the deal.

Or Horst himself taking the fan base’s temperature.

Not sure if it goes to Haynes if Atlanta let it loose but they do have clear incentive to try and start a bidding war.

Teams and agents do "leak" stuff to attempt to drive up the price. Saying there's "interest" doesn't mean anything really. I doubt anything is coming from Horst, Bucks leaks stopped with Lasry. Horst's moves come out of nowhere.

right but thats what Shams is for. Haynes never really involves himself in leverage stuff like that

[yb90]

I just don't see how Murray works for the Bucks with or without Middleton being traded. He will not have the ball in his hands enough playing with Giannis and Dame. Murray is not going to turn into a skinnier version of Caldwell-Pope and be happy spotting up.

[jakecronus8]

I just don't see how Murray works for the Bucks with or without Middleton being traded. He will not have the ball in his hands enough playing with Giannis and Dame. Murray is not going to turn into a skinnier version of Caldwell-Pope and be happy spotting up.

Right now your three ball handlers are Giannis, Dame and Khris. Khris is such a woeful ball handler with the slightest of pressure. This ensures one of these three can be on the floor at all times.

Bucks have this weird nostalgia thing with Khris. Getting Murray in a Khris deal would be such a boon. Murray is 27, locked up for 5 years, and exactly what they need in the starting 5.

Khris’s offense is a luxury at this point and defensively he’s a turnstile. The need for another ball handler that can provide backcourt defense is far greater than his mid range scoring. When you factor in the injury history it’s a no brainer. Just hard to find a team with assets that would want Middleton rather than just keep Dejounte for themselves

[M-C-G]

I’m out of touch with players around the league but if Golden State was going to add a first and maybe some seconds to Wiggins, is there a package that makes sense for us?

See if we can rehab his value and flip him in the off-season. Or if he doesn’t use his salary and whatever picks we have to try and add something big next season


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[nagawicka]

As far as I can tell, you're the only Adrian Griffin fan. So what are the casuals, die hards, local guys who get paid to study/interpret/talk/write about basketball, and national guys who get paid to study/interpret/talk/write about basketball missing? What are we missing? This just kinda feels like a schtick.

In fairness to Sid, we've got about 3-4 guys on here that support Griffin. Think for some it's unfathomable you'd fire a brand new coach 41 games in. But that's really it. You can't support Griffin based on performance.

In fairness to the Bucks generally, the Fire Griff chorus started up 3 or 4 games in. Right or wrong, you don’t know what you have at that point or what the season trajectory will look like. The posture has a few flaws: it depends on the not-very-credible premise that the Entire Bucks Organization doesn’t know what it’s doing or what it had or what it needs to do. Or what it has now. Marques Johnson sees it, I see it, sidney lanier sees it, you all see it. You have to assume they’re all working on all of it internally, together, through a substantial and ongoing roster transition. Because this ‘we have a championship roster’-&-‘we’ve somehow been shortchanged’ attitude radically underestimates roster clunkiness under Budenholzer and doesn’t really fly when you don’t have the roster you think you do. It also depends on refusing to recognize that Horst and the Bucks’ FO intentionally selected Griffin specifically to coach and direct the Bucks during this ongoing roster overhaul & giannis extension season. They had to know the schemes he proposed to install going into it, have some idea that he wouldn’t have the same level tenacious POA D guards available aka no Wes no Carter (at min, but no Jru for real either), b/c they’re not done wheeling & dealing—unless it was all a one-off stopgap to mollify & extend Giannis, ‘til the right coach becomes available. This is who they wanted to work with whether the results are pretty or not, so you have to think the Bucks committed to living with the bumps and warts at least through a few more roster moves. Bucks FO doesn’t seem to view scheme as the priority or culprit. Surreal, but Jerry Jones didn’t chop off Mike McCarthy’s head. ‘Joe Prunty will save us’ buuut isn’t he already contributing the 6 magic beans making the Bucks look so good right now? Nurse pulled out for a reason and that reason meant he wasn’t down for the ride

[nagawicka]

Say what you want about Joe Prunty, but dude has a 23-16 record as an interim head coach with a couple of way worse rosters than this current one. He's certainly not the answer long-term (well, if we win the title then why not?), but I don't see any sort of coherent argument out there that he'd actually be worse. Unless they can communicate with and rescue Atkinson from Golden State in the next few weeks, he's the only other realistic option right now.

Yeah, I was just going to ask - why do we assume that Prunty would be worse?

Chemistry? Defensive gameplan? Offensive gameplan? Rotations? None of these things would take a hit if Griffin were fired. Let Prunty take over, the players can pretty much coach themselves, and hopefully top 75 talent alone is enough to win a ship. Griffin is actively hurting our chances.

‘Joe Prunty will save us’ buuut isn’t he already contributing the 6 magic beans making the Bucks look so good right now?

[PG Graveyard]

Could be Giannis / Dame leaking to pressure Horst to close the deal.

Or Horst himself taking the fan base’s temperature.

Not sure if it goes to Haynes if Atlanta let it loose but they do have clear incentive to try and start a bidding war.

Teams and agents do "leak" stuff to attempt to drive up the price. Saying there's "interest" doesn't mean anything really. I doubt anything is coming from Horst, Bucks leaks stopped with Lasry. Horst's moves come out of nowhere.

right but thats what Shams is for. Haynes never really involves himself in leverage stuff like that

What do you make of it ?

[PG Graveyard]

I just don't see how Murray works for the Bucks with or without Middleton being traded. He will not have the ball in his hands enough playing with Giannis and Dame. Murray is not going to turn into a skinnier version of Caldwell-Pope and be happy spotting up.

Right now your three ball handlers are Giannis, Dame and Khris. Khris is such a woeful ball handler with the slightest of pressure. This ensures one of these three can be on the floor at all times.

Bucks have this weird nostalgia thing with Khris. Getting Murray in a Khris deal would be such a boon. Murray is 27, locked up for 5 years, and exactly what they need in the starting 5.

Khris’s offense is a luxury at this point and defensively he’s a turnstile. The need for another ball handler that can provide backcourt defense is far greater than his mid range scoring. When you factor in the injury history it’s a no brainer. Just hard to find a team with assets that would want Middleton rather than just keep Dejounte for themselves

Dame has also played very well with a good secondary ball handler.

[Shaffty]

Teams and agents do "leak" stuff to attempt to drive up the price. Saying there's "interest" doesn't mean anything really. I doubt anything is coming from Horst, Bucks leaks stopped with Lasry. Horst's moves come out of nowhere.

right but thats what Shams is for. Haynes never really involves himself in leverage stuff like that

What do you make of it ?

Haynes doesnt send that tweet unless its highly probable.

I also find it very unlikely bobby portis is the center piece...

[nagawicka]

In fairness to Sid, we've got about 3-4 guys on here that support Griffin. Think for some it's unfathomable you'd fire a brand new coach 41 games in. But that's really it. You can't support Griffin based on performance.

In all fainess I don't think it’s al on him either. Are some player just that dense to understand wants done? Are some players bad fits? Are some player just fricken lazy? I just feel that if things stay the same you can forget a chip.

The effort problem is a product of us having a bunch of experienced vets that know basketball, have been on really good to elite teams, and know stupid coaching when they see it. You’re just not gonna get them to consistently buy into that night to night.

They’re also gonna know it was Giannis who got ‘em into this, and that breeds resentment and dissatisfaction. They know Giannis isn’t offering to change bad habits or trying to bring in schemes that solve the problem.

[PG Graveyard]

right but thats what Shams is for. Haynes never really involves himself in leverage stuff like that

What do you make of it ?

Haynes doesnt send that tweet unless its highly probable.

I also find it very unlikely bobby portis is the center piece...

Mids/pat/Marjon for Murray/hunter/little Griff works in the trade checker and would make this season even more weird

[Shaffty]

What do you make of it ?

Haynes doesnt send that tweet unless its highly probable.

I also find it very unlikely bobby portis is the center piece...

Mids/pat/Marjon for Murray/hunter/little Griff works in the trade checker and would make this season even more weird

i think Brook is much more likely if they plan on riding it out with griff

[sogood]

right but thats what Shams is for. Haynes never really involves himself in leverage stuff like that

What do you make of it ?

Haynes doesnt send that tweet unless its highly probable.

I also find it very unlikely bobby portis is the center piece...

Haynes is a mouthpiece for klutch.

Seems like the Lakers deal fell apart so Paul is trying to drum up other interest to pressure the Lakers.

[raferfenix]

Hawks tried and failed to make a splash with Siakam.

They can’t tank since San Antonio controls their firsts in ‘25, ‘26 and ‘27.

Atlanta very well might want to cut cap but I don’t see them liquidating Murray for picks as the main return.