Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 3.0

twix2500 · Post #761 » by **twix2500** » Fri Jan 19, 2024 11:03 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:

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That doesn't sound like he is saying the Heat and Nets are talking to each other. It sounds like he is just saying the Heat have Lowry and Nets have Dinwiddie as trade pawns in general

twix2500 · Post #762 » by **twix2500** » Fri Jan 19, 2024 11:11 pm

I think you can count Sexton out of the equation. He is flourishing too well as a shooting guard in Utah

IceColdCubano · Post #763 » by **IceColdCubano** » Fri Jan 19, 2024 11:25 pm

twix2500 wrote:I think you can count Sexton out of the equation. He is flourishing too well as a shooting guard in Utah

The guy i want from Utah is Lauri, id trade Herro for him then turn around and use Lowry and picks for pg upgrade. MURRAY, DUNCAN, JIMMY, LAURI, BAM

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #764 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Fri Jan 19, 2024 11:35 pm

IceColdCubano wrote:
twix2500 wrote:I think you can count Sexton out of the equation. He is flourishing too well as a shooting guard in Utah

The guy i want from Utah is Lauri, id trade Herro for him then turn around and use Lowry and picks for pg upgrade. MURRAY, DUNCAN, JIMMY, LAURI, BAM

ELITE!!!

Eagle4 · Post #765 » by **Eagle4** » Fri Jan 19, 2024 11:52 pm

Yh yh yh, Don just make an impactful move to improve the team. Tired of seeing our rivals nabbing easily attainable pieces. Then post season comes and Jimmy has to score 50 to battle the overwhelming talent gap between our teams. It's tiring man.

Beenie · Post #766 » by **Beenie** » Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:00 am

AirP. wrote:
Beenie wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Yep said this last night or the night before lol. Terry would also be a bigger offensive boost but worse defensively than we hoped for from Dipo

I value Rozier more just because my sense is that he’d be more of a consistent contributor during the playoffs

Merely my gut feeling tho

Would he? He's almost 30 and has had 6 20+ point games in the playoffs out of 50 playoff games with 29 of those games being 20+ minutes. He has the same issues as Herro does, they've not shown the ability to be consistent scorers in the playoffs. They have shown the ability to have good scoring games but Miami needs a more consistent scorer for the playoffs.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/roziete01/gamelog-playoffs/

Is it possible he'd be a great fit in Miami with Spoelstra as the coach, absolutely but once again, he's not proven in the playoffs when teams have time to prepare for you.

It’s definitely just a gut feeling. My thinking is that at this stage of Rozier’s career, he’s a much more seasoned vet now than what he was during his years with in Bos and would be better adjusted to perform well. And I like his competitive spirit. I read sometime ago that Jordan was impressed by him for similar reasons. Skill wise, he can beat his man off the dribble and finish in traffic. Heat are devoid of that kind of skill set.

Pokuokic · Post #767 » by **Pokuokic** » Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:15 am

My only worry concern with Rozier/Murray as opposed to Brogdan is they have low IQ plays in them which can lose you playoff games where as Brogdan does not really (he might shoot badly off course). Brogdan is just so much more versatile than both as well in that he's equally good off the ball as on the ball and he won't get posted up easily due to his size/strength in mistmatches.

marson · Post #768 » by **marson** » Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:20 am

twozeroMM wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:rozier
murray
sexton

give me one without overpaying, keep Niko, and get healthy.

I think a PG upgrade combined with health will take us to a higher tier.

Not getting any of those without giving up Niko

Agreed. The way Spo just put him in the starting 5 to showcase his skills is also intriguing.

Dejounte Murray also posted a pic of the Heat rafters on his IG story.

The trade could probably be like this

Miami receives:

Dejounte Murray
Saddiq Bey (expiring contract)
Patty Mills (expiring contract)

Atlanta receives:
Kyle Lowery (expiring contract)
Nikola Jovic (rookie contract)
1st round draft pick

I would pull the trigger for this trade. We got our former all-star PG (without losing Duncan and Herro) and a backup vet PG while also getting Bey's shooting.

Atlanta would have salary relief and a Jovic's potential that would fit their starting 5 plus they got a pick.

Murray/Mills
Herro/Duncan
Jimmy/Jaquez/Martin
Highsmith/Bey
Bam/Love/Bryant

marson · Post #769 » by **marson** » Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:25 am

Pokuokic wrote:My only worry concern with Rozier/Murray as opposed to Brogdan is they have low IQ plays in them which can lose you playoff games where as Brogdan does not really (he might shoot badly off course). Brogdan is just so much more versatile than both as well in that he's equally good off the ball as on the ball and he won't get posted up easily due to his size/strength in mistmatches.

Cronin ego is too big and we're not gonna deal with the Blazers until they fire him.

marson · Post #770 » by **marson** » Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:29 am

Bam's catching strays from Bill Simmons. This hater.

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #771 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:33 am

marson wrote:Bam's catching strays from Bill Simmons. This hater.

Zach Lowe shut that down real quick lol Bill talking out his ass and what he’s saying has been statistically debunked

AirP. · Post #772 » by **AirP.** » Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:41 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Beenie wrote:
I value Rozier more just because my sense is that he’d be more of a consistent contributor during the playoffs

Merely my gut feeling tho

Would he? He's almost 30 and has had 6 20+ point games in the playoffs out of 50 playoff games with 29 of those games being 20+ minutes. He has the same issues as Herro does, they've not shown the ability to be consistent scorers in the playoffs. They have shown the ability to have good scoring games but Miami needs a more consistent scorer for the playoffs.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/roziete01/gamelog-playoffs/

Is it possible he'd be a great fit in Miami with Spoelstra as the coach, absolutely but once again, he's not proven in the playoffs when teams have time to prepare for you.

To be fair that was the 1st 4 seasons of his career where he was a bench player and he’s developed into a better player now. His 1 season as a starter in the playoffs (due to injury) he was 23 and averaged 17-5-6. Scoring efficiency could’ve been better but that’s better than any playoffs Herro has had.

I would feel pretty good about him here. I may lean Murray because of 2 way play but I do believe Rozier is the more explosive offensive player scoring wise.

I'm not saying he wouldn't work but he's not playoff proven and the playoffs are a whole different animal than the regular season because of the amount of preparation you can have for your opponent and much like younger players, players have to figure out counters unless they have dominate skills/abilities. It's a reason why Miami has some of their lesser talent able to have big games, because they do have scoring talent but don't have large scouting reports on them like the main players do.

AirP. · Post #773 » by **AirP.** » Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:44 am

IceColdCubano wrote:
twix2500 wrote:I think you can count Sexton out of the equation. He is flourishing too well as a shooting guard in Utah

The guy i want from Utah is Lauri, id trade Herro for him then turn around and use Lowry and picks for pg upgrade. MURRAY, DUNCAN, JIMMY, LAURI, BAM

Herro by himself isn't even close to getting you Lauri.

AirP. · Post #774 » by **AirP.** » Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:46 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
marson wrote:Bam's catching strays from Bill Simmons. This hater.

Zach Lowe shut that down real quick lol Bill talking out his ass and what he’s saying has been statistically debunked

What I think Simmons was getting at was Bam possibly wearing down defending against bigger players with Miami having nobody really to give Bam a break from guarding them. Even if Butler is the best wing option to defend someone, Miami have other wing defenders to give him a break on that side of the ball.

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #775 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:46 am

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3ammy3uck3ts · Post #776 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:48 am

AirP. wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
marson wrote:Bam's catching strays from Bill Simmons. This hater.

Zach Lowe shut that down real quick lol Bill talking out his ass and what he’s saying has been statistically debunked

What I think Simmons was getting at was Bam possibly wearing down defending against bigger players with Miami having nobody really to give Bam a break from guarding them. Even if Butler is the best wing option to defend someone, Miami have other wing defenders to give him a break on that side of the ball.

He said there’s a chance Bam isn’t the best big in any playoff series he plays in the East this year because it could be Giannis, then Embiid, then…………….Kristaps lmao

AirP. · Post #777 » by **AirP.** » Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:53 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
AirP. wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Zach Lowe shut that down real quick lol Bill talking out his ass and what he’s saying has been statistically debunked

What I think Simmons was getting at was Bam possibly wearing down defending against bigger players with Miami having nobody really to give Bam a break from guarding them. Even if Butler is the best wing option to defend someone, Miami have other wing defenders to give him a break on that side of the ball.

He said there’s a chance Bam isn’t the best big in any playoff series he plays in the East this year because it could be Giannis, then Embiid, then…………….Kristaps lmao

If Miami were to meet Boston in the ECF he could be worn down by then so it's possible, not likely but possible. Simmons can hope.

Flash4thewin · Post #778 » by **Flash4thewin** » Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:58 am

marson wrote:
Pokuokic wrote:My only worry concern with Rozier/Murray as opposed to Brogdan is they have low IQ plays in them which can lose you playoff games where as Brogdan does not really (he might shoot badly off course). Brogdan is just so much more versatile than both as well in that he's equally good off the ball as on the ball and he won't get posted up easily due to his size/strength in mistmatches.

Cronin ego is too big and we're not gonna deal with the Blazers until they fire him.

Remember Cronin works on behalf of owners, the problem is not Cronin. He could be fired tomorrow and the Blazers organization would want nothing to do with us unless its a crazy lopsided trade in their favor.

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #779 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:06 am

Watching Terry before I tune in to UD night to see our other target Murray. 3 ball is off but I know he’s an elite shooter, 11-6-5 at half. He’d be the best combo of scoring and playmaking we’ve had from a guard since Wade. Hell I’d be down to trade Herro and get both Murray and Rozier lol, Rozier has shown he can play off ball very well next to Lamelo already.

Also, I know it’s frowned upon but Bridges would be amazing under Spo with his size athleticism and scoring ability lol. 18-3-2 at the half. Those 2 would be some serious firepower added

eddieheatfan · Post #780 » by **eddieheatfan** » Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:07 am

Flash4thewin wrote:
marson wrote:
Pokuokic wrote:My only worry concern with Rozier/Murray as opposed to Brogdan is they have low IQ plays in them which can lose you playoff games where as Brogdan does not really (he might shoot badly off course). Brogdan is just so much more versatile than both as well in that he's equally good off the ball as on the ball and he won't get posted up easily due to his size/strength in mistmatches.

Cronin ego is too big and we're not gonna deal with the Blazers until they fire him.

Remember Cronin works on behalf of owners, the problem is not Cronin. He could be fired tomorrow and the Blazers organization would want nothing to do with us unless its a crazy lopsided trade in their favor.

yup its the owners who gives the thumbs up or down on transaction. without owners approval cronin cannot do any single thing