PG: Brunson is MVP candidate

[sol537]

Bring home Mikal Bridges, then replace Thibs with Jay Wright and let’s get one title to the NYK in our lifetimes…

[cgmw]

Right. This is what's alarming.

I mean, I get that Thibs loves OG but this is a marathon. Dudes legs will be dead by March if this continues.

Hell, Brunson having to clock 40mins to put Washington away isn't helping either. Hopefully some rest is coming.

Again, am I the only one seeing OG literally stand still half the game?

Minutes high, sure, but half of them are in the Thibs “4 guys stand still” offense.

Subtracting the 10% of times he’s running the break or catching a backdoor yam from iHart—40 minutes for OG is like 22 minutes of normal hoops and 18 minutes of literally standing still.

He seems to like to cut or spot up, so sort of partly his tendency maybe, at least. He also DOES have some 1 on 1 moves. He can go in. Maybe not a fadeaway scorer or multiple counter-moves in the mid range. But he's a pretty long guy to get inside, just that he goes all the way in.

But I hear you, more motion always better.

I don’t think you do hear me.

Thibs is running almost exclusively a “4 guys watch 1 guy” offense, and it’s dominating the regular season. I’m pessimistic on the playoff potential of that scheme, but one of the positive byproducts will be 50 regular season wins. I’m not complaining about it. A second will be OG Annonoby playing 40 minutes that feel like 30 minutes.

This is very similar to the 2013 Woody Knicks who simplified things with a slow-down halfcourt iso offense. The next couple months should see us steamroll the competition.

[stuporman]

I don't know why you guys keep doubting son of Rick Brunson but in the playoffs there is nobody who is going to stop him in iso....the problem is that Randle will also be on the floor...he is who you should be wary of.

[Synciere]

Fournier, Grimes, 2024 NYK 1st, 2024 Mavs 1st, Det 1st, WAS 1st, three 2nd rounders

For

Mikal Bridges

Nets need real players though.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Fournier, Grimes, 2024 NYK 1st, 2024 Mavs 1st, Det 1st, WAS 1st, three 2nd rounders

For

Mikal Bridges

Nets need real players though.

Nets would laugh hysterically as they hung up the phone. These dudes with their fantasy trade ideas are funny. The odds of Bridges to the Knicks are zero points zero. Give it up already.

[Clyde_Style]

Honestly it was a fake hustle by the wiz. The pistons done it plenty of times this season. If anything was sus, it was those 2 loses to Orlando and Mavs.

It's a shame that every scrub azz team gives 110% effort at MSG.

It just makes you a better team having to beat them

[RHODEY]

Honestly it was a fake hustle by the wiz. The pistons done it plenty of times this season. If anything was sus, it was those 2 loses to Orlando and Mavs.

It's a shame that every scrub azz team gives 110% effort at MSG.

It just makes you a better team having to beat them

Maybe or maybe it makes you the more worn down team by thr end of the regular season.

[Clyde_Style]

It's a shame that every scrub azz team gives 110% effort at MSG.

It just makes you a better team having to beat them

Maybe or maybe it makes you the more worn down team by thr end of the regular season.

If your team is coached by Tommy Thibs, then that is a Yes

[K_ick_God]

In games where we probably otherwise collapse, JB and OG are the kind of clutch / unafraid / big play guys who, at least some of those games, won’t let it happen. I have a little bit of faith in DD. Donte right now is the X factor, unless there is a trade.

[Iron Mantis]

Need the front office to step in and get a player that would benefit the team not Thibs happiness

Then you have to get rid of Thibs.

Thibs will misuse or doghouse even useful players if they're not one of "his guys".

He can't coach anything but "ISO & spray the ball out" to 4 statues.

[Clyde_Style]

Need the front office to step in and get a player that would benefit the team not Thibs happiness

Then you have to get rid of Thibs.

Thibs will misuse or doghouse even useful players if they're not one of "his guys".

He can't coach anything but "ISO & spray the ball out" to 4 statues.

This FO does Thibs bidding

Sometimes that results in good personnel decision, sometimes it does not

A great coach typically has a say in those decisions. But a merely good coach like Thibs having that much control can be a detriment

[2010]

Again, am I the only one seeing OG literally stand still half the game?

Minutes high, sure, but half of them are in the Thibs “4 guys stand still” offense.

Subtracting the 10% of times he’s running the break or catching a backdoor yam from iHart—40 minutes for OG is like 22 minutes of normal hoops and 18 minutes of literally standing still.

He seems to like to cut or spot up, so sort of partly his tendency maybe, at least. He also DOES have some 1 on 1 moves. He can go in. Maybe not a fadeaway scorer or multiple counter-moves in the mid range. But he's a pretty long guy to get inside, just that he goes all the way in.

But I hear you, more motion always better.

I don’t think you do hear me.

Thibs is running almost exclusively a “4 guys watch 1 guy” offense, and it’s dominating the regular season. I’m pessimistic on the playoff potential of that scheme, but one of the positive byproducts will be 50 regular season wins. I’m not complaining about it. A second will be OG Annonoby playing 40 minutes that feel like 30 minutes.

This is very similar to the 2013 Woody Knicks who simplified things with a slow-down halfcourt iso offense. The next couple months should see us steamroll the competition.

You’re not factoring in how he’s chasing around the best offensive player on the other side of the ball. He’s working more on defense than he is on offense. So it’s still problematic for the amount of minutes he’s logging.

[cgmw]

He seems to like to cut or spot up, so sort of partly his tendency maybe, at least. He also DOES have some 1 on 1 moves. He can go in. Maybe not a fadeaway scorer or multiple counter-moves in the mid range. But he's a pretty long guy to get inside, just that he goes all the way in.

But I hear you, more motion always better.

I don’t think you do hear me.

Thibs is running almost exclusively a “4 guys watch 1 guy” offense, and it’s dominating the regular season. I’m pessimistic on the playoff potential of that scheme, but one of the positive byproducts will be 50 regular season wins. I’m not complaining about it. A second will be OG Annonoby playing 40 minutes that feel like 30 minutes.

This is very similar to the 2013 Woody Knicks who simplified things with a slow-down halfcourt iso offense. The next couple months should see us steamroll the competition.

You’re not factoring in how he’s chasing around the best offensive player on the other side of the ball. He’s working more on defense than he is on offense. So it’s still problematic for the amount of minutes he’s logging.

Yes but we knew this about Thibs. The whole basketball universe has known forever.

Thibs will grind OG and Jalen regardless of who’s available. It’s on Leon to give his maniac coach backups so good that they must play. There’s a reason Thibs has had so much regular season success with very little to show in the playoffs.

Leon tipped his hand when he removed Randle’s backup completely for nothing in return. Leon is willing to let Thibs grind these guys to nothing so long as they make headway in the first and second round. I don’t expect that to change.

Thibs has three rotation-level backups right now, but he refuses to play the younger two of them. I’m sure Leon is giving serious consideration to giving Thibs the established bench vets he’ll actually play. I’m not so sure Thibs still won’t just play OG, Randle and Jalen massive minutes anyway.

[DOT]

He seems to like to cut or spot up, so sort of partly his tendency maybe, at least. He also DOES have some 1 on 1 moves. He can go in. Maybe not a fadeaway scorer or multiple counter-moves in the mid range. But he's a pretty long guy to get inside, just that he goes all the way in.

But I hear you, more motion always better.

I don’t think you do hear me.

Thibs is running almost exclusively a “4 guys watch 1 guy” offense, and it’s dominating the regular season. I’m pessimistic on the playoff potential of that scheme, but one of the positive byproducts will be 50 regular season wins. I’m not complaining about it. A second will be OG Annonoby playing 40 minutes that feel like 30 minutes.

This is very similar to the 2013 Woody Knicks who simplified things with a slow-down halfcourt iso offense. The next couple months should see us steamroll the competition.

You’re not factoring in how he’s chasing around the best offensive player on the other side of the ball. He’s working more on defense than he is on offense. So it’s still problematic for the amount of minutes he’s logging.

They actually track this stuff:

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/speed-distance?CF=TEAM_ABBREVIATION*E*nyk&dir=D&sort=DIST_MILES

So that's overall, meaning including his Toronto games, OG is averaging 2.51 miles per game (1.28 on offense 1.22 on defense), 2nd only to Brunson at 2.72 miles per game (1.58 on offense 1.14 on defense)

If we just look at since the trade, OG is up to 2.72 miles per game (1.46 on offense 1.26 on defense) which is 3rd to Hartenstein's 2.79 miles per game and Brunson's 2.81 miles per game

For reference, 2.72 miles per game (Brunson's total average and OG's since the trade) is 4th in the league, with Rozier (2.78), Miles Bridges (2.79) and Maxey (2.91) being the most

I know that isn't the complete picture on how much energy is expended, but it gives you a good idea. To be fair too, this is largely just a "who plays the most minutes" thing, as it's roughly in that order. So I went and averaged the feet per minute they moved since the trade, it comes out to this for the top 8:

DDV: 415.4 feet/minute
Deuce: 413.8 feet/minute
Hartenstein: 411.5 feet/minute
Brunson: 404.9 feet/minute
OG: 391.0 feet/minute
Grimes: 391 feet/minute
Hart: 390.0 feet/minute
Randle: 364.4 feet/minute

For fun, I did Mitch: 379.3 feet/minute

Frankly, I don't know what this says, I was just bored, and it might not be completely accurate, but I figure it gives a bit of a picture as to effort. Also, cause it gives statistical evidence that Randle doesn't give effort.

[2010]

I don’t think you do hear me.

Thibs is running almost exclusively a “4 guys watch 1 guy” offense, and it’s dominating the regular season. I’m pessimistic on the playoff potential of that scheme, but one of the positive byproducts will be 50 regular season wins. I’m not complaining about it. A second will be OG Annonoby playing 40 minutes that feel like 30 minutes.

This is very similar to the 2013 Woody Knicks who simplified things with a slow-down halfcourt iso offense. The next couple months should see us steamroll the competition.

You’re not factoring in how he’s chasing around the best offensive player on the other side of the ball. He’s working more on defense than he is on offense. So it’s still problematic for the amount of minutes he’s logging.

They actually track this stuff:

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/speed-distance?CF=TEAM_ABBREVIATION*E*nyk&dir=D&sort=DIST_MILES

So that's overall, meaning including his Toronto games, OG is averaging 2.51 miles per game (1.28 on offense 1.22 on defense), 2nd only to Brunson at 2.72 miles per game (1.58 on offense 1.14 on defense)

If we just look at since the trade, OG is up to 2.72 miles per game (1.46 on offense 1.26 on defense) which is 3rd to Hartenstein's 2.79 miles per game and Brunson's 2.81 miles per game

For reference, 2.72 miles per game (Brunson's total average and OG's since the trade) is 4th in the league, with Rozier (2.78), Miles Bridges (2.79) and Maxey (2.91) being the most

I know that isn't the complete picture on how much energy is expended, but it gives you a good idea. To be fair too, this is largely just a "who plays the most minutes" thing, as it's roughly in that order. So I went and averaged the feet per minute they moved since the trade, it comes out to this for the top 8:

DDV: 415.4 feet/minute
Deuce: 413.8 feet/minute
Hartenstein: 411.5 feet/minute
Brunson: 404.9 feet/minute
OG: 391.0 feet/minute
Grimes: 391 feet/minute
Hart: 390.0 feet/minute
Randle: 364.4 feet/minute

For fun, I did Mitch: 379.3 feet/minute

Frankly, I don't know what this says, I was just bored, and it might not be completely accurate, but I figure it gives a bit of a picture as to effort. Also, cause it gives statistical evidence that Randle doesn't give effort.

This is excellent insight. Great stuff man!

[cgmw]

That’s great sh*t, DOT.

I mean let’s call it what it is — Leon and Thibs are intentionally running their players into the ground to see what happens.

And don’t mistake my tone for criticism. Hell, it might work. Hartenstein leading the league in miles run at 7 feet tall is reckless AF and absolutely ridiculous, but the man might end up making generational wealth while helping the Knicks contend for ECF.

The brass at MSG is going for it, and the odds don’t seem great that these players will stay healthy. But hey, it’s a business and each playoff home game generates staggeringly astronomical amounts of revenue. So here we are.

Formula: 4 guys stand in a circle and watch the 5th guy cook on offense. Randle and Brunson get a pass on defense while the other 3 guys work twice as hard. This is the formula for 50 wins and a puncher’s chance in the first and second round.

[FrozenEnvelope]

That’s great sh*t, DOT.

I mean let’s call it what it is — Leon and Thibs are intentionally running their players into the ground to see what happens.

And don’t mistake my tone for criticism. Hell, it might work. Hartenstein leading the league in miles run at 7 feet tall is reckless AF and absolutely ridiculous, but the man might end up making generational wealth while helping the Knicks contend for ECF.

The brass at MSG is going for it, and the odds don’t seem great that these players will stay healthy. But hey, it’s a business and each playoff home game generates staggeringly astronomical amounts of revenue. So here we are.

Formula: 4 guys stand in a circle and watch the 5th guy cook on offense. Randle and Brunson get a pass on defense while the other 3 guys work twice as hard. This is the formula for 50 wins and a puncher’s chance in the first and second round.

You all really believe Thibs playing some guys 3-5 minutes less is going to prevent injuries?

[cgmw]

That’s great sh*t, DOT.

I mean let’s call it what it is — Leon and Thibs are intentionally running their players into the ground to see what happens.

And don’t mistake my tone for criticism. Hell, it might work. Hartenstein leading the league in miles run at 7 feet tall is reckless AF and absolutely ridiculous, but the man might end up making generational wealth while helping the Knicks contend for ECF.

The brass at MSG is going for it, and the odds don’t seem great that these players will stay healthy. But hey, it’s a business and each playoff home game generates staggeringly astronomical amounts of revenue. So here we are.

Formula: 4 guys stand in a circle and watch the 5th guy cook on offense. Randle and Brunson get a pass on defense while the other 3 guys work twice as hard. This is the formula for 50 wins and a puncher’s chance in the first and second round.

You all really believe Thibs playing some guys 3-5 minutes less is going to prevent injuries?

Over the course of 80 games leading into hopefully 20 playoff games? Yes. Yes I do.

[DOT]

You all really believe Thibs playing some guys 3-5 minutes less is going to prevent injuries?

Over the course of 80 games leading into hopefully 20 playoff games? Yes. Yes I do.

It's a disingenuous question he's asking though

Because we don't want them to simply play less minutes with the current roster, it's about getting depth so they don't have to play as many minutes so they're not worn out by the playoffs

I mean, that's obvious if you actually read any posts, the dude is just trolling or something.

[thebuzzardman]

If only we never got Thibs and Brunson but hired Kenny Atkinson, everything would be wonderful. Well, except Leon Rose being here.