Quentin Grimes

[knicks94]

The only thing that concerns me regarding Grimes is the number of Knicks fans that will knock the organization for him having a a couple of good games on another team.

[movingon]

I understand the attachment to our young players but people have to look at this rationally. Grimes will have value as a 3D type to many teams, but he's limited offensively, mostly because of his handle (as said above). Could he turn it around? Sure, but he most like doesn't project to be more than a solid role player. We have options at defense now on the perimeter between OG, Hart and Deuce. It's abundantly clear that our biggest need now is a 2nd playmaker, and Grimes will never be that. Looking at the cap situation, it makes no sense to extend Grimes. It's the right moment to trade him, his value is pretty good.

[Jalen Bluntson]

He's gone. He will most likely play better anywhere else. Thibs offense is straight trash. 4 guys standing on the perimeter waiting for one guy to shoot or pass. That does NOTHING for player development. I guarantee he finds a better role elsewhere.

I’m glad I’m not alone. Randle doesn’t help either.

Hold on now, they run that little weave. Then they run the mini-triangle with the two-man game on strong side. Then they run the PnR occasionally. And then they fast break whenever they can. I just think Thibs has mishandled Grimes. Look at all the leeway he gave RJ. Grimes gets none of that love. That's why Grimes has lost his confidence.

No

[HopelessKnick]

I’m watching the Nuggets vs. Celtics game and I spending a lot of time focusing on Jamal Murray. And I’m like, he reminds me a lot of QG in terms of size and physique. So I’m thinking why cant Grimes turn into Murray? Even a poor man’s Murray would be fine.

One thing I noticed is that Murray plays much more free and easy whereas Grimes plays like if he makes a mistake, Thibs will sub him out.

The upshot is that I’m afraid that if we trade Grimes, he will flourish in a more conducive environment.

I understand that QG has made it know to the coaching staff that he’s very frustrated. I think that if we trade him, we’d be selling very low.

Keep in mind that 80-90% of all of this is mental (next to physical skills obviously). Grimes just does not seem to have it in that regard. I'm not the biggest Thibs fan either but I don't think Thibs is keeping Grimes from attacking the basket, finishing around the rim etc. His confidence just seems very low overall but I also seem some fundamental lack of ability around the basket. Really his entire gmae right now is the catch and shoot 3. Look for example at Josh Hart---always looking to push and attacks often despite not having the greates athleticism etc. I personally don't think Grimes will ever even remotely enter Murray's sphere but he could still turn into a solid player. For me the big question is this: After the trade he now has/had the opportunity to make a stand for himself and prove his worth but his play has remained very mediocre. I don't know what to make of that.

[HarthorneWingo]

I’m glad I’m not alone. Randle doesn’t help either.

Hold on now, they run that little weave. Then they run the mini-triangle with the two-man game on strong side. Then they run the PnR occasionally. And then they fast break whenever they can. I just think Thibs has mishandled Grimes. Look at all the leeway he gave RJ. Grimes gets none of that love. That's why Grimes has lost his confidence.

No

So, are you then trading Grimes, Fournier, plus whatever for one of the $20+ million guards out there?

[HopelessKnick]

Hold on now, they run that little weave. Then they run the mini-triangle with the two-man game on strong side. Then they run the PnR occasionally. And then they fast break whenever they can. I just think Thibs has mishandled Grimes. Look at all the leeway he gave RJ. Grimes gets none of that love. That's why Grimes has lost his confidence.

No

So, are you then trading Grimes, Fournier, plus whatever for one of the $20+ million guards out there?

I think if the trade partner would accept Grimes as the equivalent of a late FRP then you have to do it. Keeping Grimes and adding another 25 minutes guards does not make much sense due to playing time issues. The ideal package for the Knicks would be Fournier, Grimes + a 2nd round pick for the best available guard out there.

But you are obbiously right that Grimes' value right now is likely somewhat lowish. Would an opposing team accept Grimes as a substitute for a late FRP? Also keep in mind we have the 2025 Detroit 2nd round pick. Should have some solid value around the league.

I'd put some money on Brogdon ending up here.

[NYKat]

I’m watching the Nuggets vs. Celtics game and I spending a lot of time focusing on Jamal Murray. And I’m like, he reminds me a lot of QG in terms of size and physique. So I’m thinking why cant Grimes turn into Murray? Even a poor man’s Murray would be fine.

One thing I noticed is that Murray plays much more free and easy whereas Grimes plays like if he makes a mistake, Thibs will sub him out.

The upshot is that I’m afraid that if we trade Grimes, he will flourish in a more conducive environment.

I understand that QG has made it know to the coaching staff that he’s very frustrated. I think that if we trade him, we’d be selling very low.

100%

I practically guarantee after we trade Grimes he will flourish. He’s having a bad year, but I still believe in his potential.

Knicks fans want to trade you after 10 bad games. This man was being negotiated for D.Mitchell, to trade him at his lowest value, just for the sake of doing something would be the dumbest move.

[NYKat]

I definitely think QG will be a better player than what he has shown.
He just rushes everything right now. He needs to slow down, analyze what the defense is giving him and then operate.

It's one thing to get up a shot before the defense sets, but in a half-court game, there is 0 reason to rush.
To your point, seems like he rushes things because he's afraid to get pulled if he makes a mistake.

Also seems like he's really focused on scoring rather than setting his team mates up. He seemed to do a good job of that in summer league.

Lastly, he needs to stop putting up crazy reverse lay-ups when he can just drive through the contact to make sure he gets the call.

That’s the core of his problem, and it’s a fixable thing more mental than anything, many players talk about how the game slow down for them as they mature in the league. He just needs reps.

He’s a keeper unless we put in a package for an All NBA-er as far as I’m concerned.

[Adelheid]

Despite him sucking ass rn, I have not given up hope that he can find his mojo and improve

[Jalen Bluntson]

I’m watching the Nuggets vs. Celtics game and I spending a lot of time focusing on Jamal Murray. And I’m like, he reminds me a lot of QG in terms of size and physique. So I’m thinking why cant Grimes turn into Murray? Even a poor man’s Murray would be fine.

One thing I noticed is that Murray plays much more free and easy whereas Grimes plays like if he makes a mistake, Thibs will sub him out.

The upshot is that I’m afraid that if we trade Grimes, he will flourish in a more conducive environment.

I understand that QG has made it know to the coaching staff that he’s very frustrated. I think that if we trade him, we’d be selling very low.

100%

I practically guarantee after we trade Grimes he will flourish. He’s having a bad year, but I still believe in his potential.

Knicks fans want to trade you after 10 bad games. This man was being negotiated for D.Mitchell, to trade him at his lowest value, just for the sake of doing something would be the dumbest move.

If we don't trade him, then who do we add to Evans expiring to get a quality player? Sims? Precious?

I want to fire the HC and see what someone with half a brain could get out of these players. Even Randle. Thibs is a moron.

[HopelessKnick]

I’m watching the Nuggets vs. Celtics game and I spending a lot of time focusing on Jamal Murray. And I’m like, he reminds me a lot of QG in terms of size and physique. So I’m thinking why cant Grimes turn into Murray? Even a poor man’s Murray would be fine.

One thing I noticed is that Murray plays much more free and easy whereas Grimes plays like if he makes a mistake, Thibs will sub him out.

The upshot is that I’m afraid that if we trade Grimes, he will flourish in a more conducive environment.

I understand that QG has made it know to the coaching staff that he’s very frustrated. I think that if we trade him, we’d be selling very low.

100%

I practically guarantee after we trade Grimes he will flourish. He’s having a bad year, but I still believe in his potential.

Knicks fans want to trade you after 10 bad games. This man was being negotiated for D.Mitchell, to trade him at his lowest value, just for the sake of doing something would be the dumbest move.

If we don't trade him, then who do we add to Evans expiring to get a quality player? Sims? Precious?

I want to fire the HC and see what someone with half a brain could get out of these players. Even Randle. Thibs is a moron.

The problem is that the team clearly needs another secondary playmaker---we won't go anywhere without one....maybe not even to the second round. If you get in another player that'll play 25 minutes at the 1 and 2....what do you do with Grimes? His value would only decrease further.

You can't play Deuce, Grimes AND add another playmaker. I don't think fans love the idea of simply trading Grimes, it is just seeing the writing on the wall and realizing that his value is likely just going to go down, especially if another trade is made. Even without Barrett and Quickley, Thibs is not playing him much more. Of course the alternative would be to stand pat----however, would you really want to waste an All-NBA type year by Brunson (and Randle to a lesser degree) and risk a first round exit in the hopes of Grimes turning it around?

Not saying that line of thinking would be absurd or so, but it is at least a tough choice. Without a secondary playmaker to take pressure off of Brunson we are highly unlikely to make much noise.....

[Jalen Bluntson]

100%

I practically guarantee after we trade Grimes he will flourish. He’s having a bad year, but I still believe in his potential.

Knicks fans want to trade you after 10 bad games. This man was being negotiated for D.Mitchell, to trade him at his lowest value, just for the sake of doing something would be the dumbest move.

If we don't trade him, then who do we add to Evans expiring to get a quality player? Sims? Precious?

I want to fire the HC and see what someone with half a brain could get out of these players. Even Randle. Thibs is a moron.

The problem is that the team clearly needs another secondary playmaker---we won't go anywhere without one....maybe not even to the second round. If you get in another player that'll play 25 minutes at the 1 and 2....what do you do with Grimes? His value would only decrease further.

You can't play Deuce, Grimes AND add another playmaker. I don't think fans love the idea of simply trading Grimes, it is just seeing the writing on the wall and realizing that his value is likely just going to go down, especially if another trade is made. Even without Barrett and Quickley, Thibs is not playing him much more. Of course the alternative would be to stand pat----however, would you really want to waste an All-NBA type year by Brunson (and Randle to a lesser degree) and risk a first round exit in the hopes of Grimes turning it around?

Not saying that line of thinking would be absurd or so, but it is at least a tough choice. Without a secondary playmaker to take pressure off of Brunson we are highly unlikely to make much noise.....

Yeah....we can't keep Grimes for multiple reasons. He is the only valued youth we can add in a trade right now and Thibs has put him in the doghouse. I think he would be better off on a team that knows how to use him and won't hold him down in favor of vets who can't score at all.

Fire Thibs

[thebuzzardman]

A lot of the hype around Grimes is lingering issues from long Frankism

[Jalen Bluntson]

A lot of the hype around Grimes is lingering issues from long Frankism

Maybe. More likely his regression is because Thibs sucks ass water.

[duetta]

I’m watching the Nuggets vs. Celtics game and I spending a lot of time focusing on Jamal Murray. And I’m like, he reminds me a lot of QG in terms of size and physique. So I’m thinking why cant Grimes turn into Murray? Even a poor man’s Murray would be fine.

One thing I noticed is that Murray plays much more free and easy whereas Grimes plays like if he makes a mistake, Thibs will sub him out.

The upshot is that I’m afraid that if we trade Grimes, he will flourish in a more conducive environment.

I understand that QG has made it know to the coaching staff that he’s very frustrated. I think that if we trade him, we’d be selling very low.

Jamal Murray - the player Denver drafted with the draft rights we surrendered for Carmelo Anthony and Andrea Bargnani (since Denver took advantage of their right to swap for the better pick in that draft).

I do not doubt that Grimes will prosper elsewhere. He was fine last season. Sometimes bad things happen to good people.

[duetta]

He's gone. He will most likely play better anywhere else. Thibs offense is straight trash. 4 guys standing on the perimeter waiting for one guy to shoot or pass. That does NOTHING for player development. I guarantee he finds a better role elsewhere.

I’m glad I’m not alone. Randle doesn’t help either.

You're not.

[duetta]

I remember the season when Mark Jackson was sent to the woodshed by a mediocrity named John MacLeod. He ended up bouncing back the next season (and having a fine NBA career).

[Reign23]

I’m watching the Nuggets vs. Celtics game and I spending a lot of time focusing on Jamal Murray. And I’m like, he reminds me a lot of QG in terms of size and physique. So I’m thinking why cant Grimes turn into Murray? Even a poor man’s Murray would be fine.

One thing I noticed is that Murray plays much more free and easy whereas Grimes plays like if he makes a mistake, Thibs will sub him out.

The upshot is that I’m afraid that if we trade Grimes, he will flourish in a more conducive environment.

I understand that QG has made it know to the coaching staff that he’s very frustrated. I think that if we trade him, we’d be selling very low.

outside of there physical size and stature they have nothing similar in terms of there games. Murray has a ridiculous bag. Grimes is a C&S guy and attack close out guy. That is about.

Murray has a ridiculous layup package, step back jumper, and runs an elite P&R. Grimes can't do any of that.

just, completely this.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I’m watching the Nuggets vs. Celtics game and I spending a lot of time focusing on Jamal Murray. And I’m like, he reminds me a lot of QG in terms of size and physique. So I’m thinking why cant Grimes turn into Murray? Even a poor man’s Murray would be fine.

One thing I noticed is that Murray plays much more free and easy whereas Grimes plays like if he makes a mistake, Thibs will sub him out.

The upshot is that I’m afraid that if we trade Grimes, he will flourish in a more conducive environment.

I understand that QG has made it know to the coaching staff that he’s very frustrated. I think that if we trade him, we’d be selling very low.

Jamal Murray - the player Denver drafted with the draft rights we surrendered for Carmelo Anthony and Andrea Bargnani (since Denver took advantage of their right to swap for the better pick in that draft).

I do not doubt that Grimes will prosper elsewhere. He was fine last season. Sometimes bad things happen to good people.

We saw what he did to Obi...who has the 2nd highest TS% in the LEAGUE this season. We have heard multiple players comment on not being happy. He is a terrible coach who cannot utilize players strengths AT ALL. His offense is trash and his defense ignores the 3 pt shot. He sucks. he needs to go. I am so done with him. If they extend him it's a wrap in any title hopes we may have while we have Brunson.

[cgmw]

I am so let down by how wrong my opinion of this kid was coming into this season. I had legitimate hope for him becoming a 30 MPG rotational glue-guy, 3-D wing - kind of like a mini version of Anunoby - and then with additional ceiling to strive towards in the coming years.

Those tools are still there, it just doesn't seem like the kid has the ability to apply them in the most beneficial and/or productive way. He just doesn't have "it" at this point.

Just my opinion, but virtually NO human being with less than 3 years NBA experience will have “it” on the Knicks.

It’s not a coincidence that the 6 rotation players who’ve emerged from the Leon era all spent multiple years developing elsewhere.

Unless we draft a ready-made marquee generational number 1 like a Duncan, Lebron, Zion or Wemby; literally no human on the planet can crack their full potential while beginning their career with the New York Knicks.

I had hope for Mitch because of how anachronistic Thibs is with his centers, but even that seems to be over now.