What to do with Bruce Brown

[torsport]

My initial thought was he would be moved before the deadline.

But watching the Chicago game, he kind of reminded me of Kyle with his play/attitude on the court. A leadership ingredient the team has missed since he left.

There might be something there to hold on to. I'd like to see a couple of weeks of play to see how it works.

Also didn't know the coach wrote an article about his cutting, so maybe Darko wanted him on the team too.

But a 27 year old glue guy, with championship experience, who is a 'dog' on the court I'm okay to hold on to.

[WaltFrazier]

If he gets turned around and traded again, will Jontay take his number back? Will he refund Bruce some of the $10k?

Just chump change to Brown I suppose, no regrets

[Psubs]

My initial thought was he would be moved before the deadline.

But watching the Chicago game, he kind of reminded me of Kyle with his play/attitude on the court. A leadership ingredient the team has missed since he left.

There might be something there to hold on to. I'd like to see a couple of weeks of play to see how it works.

Also didn't know the coach wrote an article about his cutting, so maybe Darko wanted him on the team too.

But a 27 year old glue guy, with championship experience, who is a 'dog' on the court I'm okay to hold on to.

Dejounte Murray is also 27 and Lauri Markkanen will be 27 in May, so is spending four 1st picks what they would want to do right now?

[StopitLeo]

My initial thought was he would be moved before the deadline.

But watching the Chicago game, he kind of reminded me of Kyle with his play/attitude on the court. A leadership ingredient the team has missed since he left.

There might be something there to hold on to. I'd like to see a couple of weeks of play to see how it works.

Also didn't know the coach wrote an article about his cutting, so maybe Darko wanted him on the team too.

But a 27 year old glue guy, with championship experience, who is a 'dog' on the court I'm okay to hold on to.

There is a clear team development benefit to keeping him. Probably under-appreciated at first but if you look at the roster we don’t have any of our underdog stories anymore. There is a grit and perseverance that comes with becoming successful when nobody believed in you. We see that in his toughness on defence and the team is a bit soft on that end now.

Unless we are getting really good picks and prospects for him I think keeping Brown will accelerate this team’s growth. Scottie, IQ, and Barrett don’t know what it takes to really win yet. We need a vet (albeit a young one) to help guide them and one that is also a “glue guy” is a bonus.

[tecumseh18]

My initial thought was he would be moved before the deadline.

But watching the Chicago game, he kind of reminded me of Kyle with his play/attitude on the court. A leadership ingredient the team has missed since he left.

There might be something there to hold on to. I'd like to see a couple of weeks of play to see how it works.

Also didn't know the coach wrote an article about his cutting, so maybe Darko wanted him on the team too.

But a 27 year old glue guy, with championship experience, who is a 'dog' on the court I'm okay to hold on to.

There is a clear team development benefit to keeping him. Probably under-appreciated at first but if you look at the roster we don’t have any of our underdog stories anymore. There is a grit and perseverance that comes with becoming successful when nobody believed in you. We see that in his toughness on defence and the team is a bit soft on that end now.

Unless we are getting really good picks and prospects for him I think keeping Brown will accelerate this team’s growth. Scottie, IQ, and Barrett don’t know what it takes to really win yet. We need a vet (albeit a young one) to help guide them and one that is also a “glue guy” is a bonus.

Yeah, this is a hard one. Especially with IQ, I want him to be exposed to a guy like Brown, because we'd really like IQ to become the next Lowry. And I assume we're not going retain old heads like Thad and Temple next season, so it would help to have Brown at least up until next year's trade deadline.

But, is Brown really worth $23 million/year? Depending on Schroder and/or Boucher trades, the team has a chance to generate max cap space this summer if Brown is off the books. Do Masai and Bobby have a better use for the cap space next year - Malik Monk? Claxton? OG??? (lol - it's been suggested as the ultimate FU to Dolan, but we all know a deal is already in place a la Brunson). but maybe we don't need max cap space. What would 25 mill/yr and the room exception (~$8 mill) get us?

I have no idea what the team will decide. But in the meantime it's fun - and a relief - to watch players like Brown who actually know what they're doing on the court. We don't really need another player who needs the ball in the starting lineup. We sure don't need Gary starting. And Scottie is NOT OG. He's not the greatest POA defender. I guess if the plan is to keep pushing for a play-in spot, then Brown should start.

[StopitLeo]

Yeah, this is a hard one. Especially with IQ, I want him to be exposed to a guy like Brown, because we'd really like IQ to become the next Lowry. And I assume we're not going retain old heads like Thad and Temple next season, so it would help to have Brown at least up until next year's trade deadline.

But, is Brown really worth $23 million/year? Depending on Schroder and/or Boucher trades, the team has a chance to generate max cap space this summer if Brown is off the books. Do Masai and Bobby have a better use for the cap space next year - Malik Monk? Claxton? OG??? (lol - it's been suggested as the ultimate FU to Dolan, but we all know a deal is already in place a la Brunson). but maybe we don't need max cap space. What would 25 mill/yr and the room exception (~$8 mill) get us?

I have no idea what the team will decide. But in the meantime it's fun - and a relief - to watch players like Brown who actually know what they're doing on the court. We don't really need another player who needs the ball in the starting lineup. We sure don't need Gary starting. And Scottie is NOT OG. He's not the greatest POA defender. I guess if the plan is to keep pushing for a play-in spot, then Brown should start.

One way or another we need a vet like Brown on the team, one who can actually play as part of your regular rotation. No disrespect to Thad or Temple, I’m sure they have been great vets, but a guy who you are battling with and holds you accountable on the floor is different. I think he’s worth the $23M since it is only a one year commitment and we could trade him next deadline. Are we going to get a lot less then compared to this deadline? I doubt it since nothing we get this year will be an immediate difference maker in the grand scheme of a multi-year rebuild.

I don’t think max can space is that valuable based on the available free agents. The best target would be Claxton and we’d have enough space keeping Brown to make him a fair offer. We would obviously have to trade Poeltl (if we haven’t already) because two non-shooting big men making $40M+ combined is ridiculous; trading him now would probably making Toronto more attractive to Claxton with the starting C spot open.

You last points are very valid. We don’t need another guy who has to have the ball in their hands unless they are an upgrade over Barrett and GTJ. Brown’s ability to play with anyone is valuable as is his ability to defend the POA. Brown’s versatility will take a lot of pressure off Barnes on that end. I think Brown should start regardless because he will see the tone defensively.

[Tha Cynic]

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Ringer guys make a lot of sense. Even if Brown fits with Scottie and the play style, does he fit on court with RJ and Poeltl?

Can we have two 6'5ish players on court at the same time who both cannot shoot at a high clip? It is an interesting question about spacing. We have 20 days to see how it all fits. Brown, without a doubt is our best tradeable asset right now.

He's a very good defender so yea, he works. He can actually help cover guards who Quickley can't and Barnes can focus on forwards.

[Tha Cynic]

My initial thought was he would be moved before the deadline.

But watching the Chicago game, he kind of reminded me of Kyle with his play/attitude on the court. A leadership ingredient the team has missed since he left.

There might be something there to hold on to. I'd like to see a couple of weeks of play to see how it works.

Also didn't know the coach wrote an article about his cutting, so maybe Darko wanted him on the team too.

But a 27 year old glue guy, with championship experience, who is a 'dog' on the court I'm okay to hold on to.

There is a clear team development benefit to keeping him. Probably under-appreciated at first but if you look at the roster we don’t have any of our underdog stories anymore. There is a grit and perseverance that comes with becoming successful when nobody believed in you. We see that in his toughness on defence and the team is a bit soft on that end now.

Unless we are getting really good picks and prospects for him I think keeping Brown will accelerate this team’s growth. Scottie, IQ, and Barrett don’t know what it takes to really win yet. We need a vet (albeit a young one) to help guide them and one that is also a “glue guy” is a bonus.

Agreed. The only way I trade him is if someone blows me away with a very good offer. The Lakers don't have anything valuable that they would be willing to give up. Brown would be someone who can really teach their team how to cut in this system.

I also think Brown makes Schroder more expendable.

[Johnny Bball]

My initial thought was he would be moved before the deadline.

But watching the Chicago game, he kind of reminded me of Kyle with his play/attitude on the court. A leadership ingredient the team has missed since he left.

There might be something there to hold on to. I'd like to see a couple of weeks of play to see how it works.

Also didn't know the coach wrote an article about his cutting, so maybe Darko wanted him on the team too.

But a 27 year old glue guy, with championship experience, who is a 'dog' on the court I'm okay to hold on to.

There is a clear team development benefit to keeping him. Probably under-appreciated at first but if you look at the roster we don’t have any of our underdog stories anymore. There is a grit and perseverance that comes with becoming successful when nobody believed in you. We see that in his toughness on defence and the team is a bit soft on that end now.

Unless we are getting really good picks and prospects for him I think keeping Brown will accelerate this team’s growth. Scottie, IQ, and Barrett don’t know what it takes to really win yet. We need a vet (albeit a young one) to help guide them and one that is also a “glue guy” is a bonus.

Yeah, this is a hard one. Especially with IQ, I want him to be exposed to a guy like Brown, because we'd really like IQ to become the next Lowry. And I assume we're not going retain old heads like Thad and Temple next season, so it would help to have Brown at least up until next year's trade deadline.

But, is Brown really worth $23 million/year? Depending on Schroder and/or Boucher trades, the team has a chance to generate max cap space this summer if Brown is off the books. Do Masai and Bobby have a better use for the cap space next year - Malik Monk? Claxton? OG??? (lol - it's been suggested as the ultimate FU to Dolan, but we all know a deal is already in place a la Brunson). but maybe we don't need max cap space. What would 25 mill/yr and the room exception (~$8 mill) get us?

I have no idea what the team will decide. But in the meantime it's fun - and a relief - to watch players like Brown who actually know what they're doing on the court. We don't really need another player who needs the ball in the starting lineup. We sure don't need Gary starting. And Scottie is NOT OG. He's not the greatest POA defender. I guess if the plan is to keep pushing for a play-in spot, then Brown should start.

Here's an option... trade him for Lowry and a FRP (and maybe a little more). Lowry retires a raptor or signs a very cheap deal and stays another year off the bench.

[ThatClockWork]

The impulsiveness of folks on this board never ceases to amaze. Keep him. We need defenders to challenge the core players on this roster.

Deal with it.

[StopitLeo]

Here's an option... trade him for Lowry and a FRP (and maybe a little more). Lowry retires a raptor or signs a very cheap deal and stays another year off the bench.

That doesn’t seem to work under the CBA. Lowry makes a bit too much.

[KingSebastian]

Keep him

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[StopitLeo]

If he gets turned around and traded again, will Jontay take his number back? Will he refund Bruce some of the $10k?

Just chump change to Brown I suppose, no regrets

Final sale. No refunds, no exchanges, no store credit.

[Johnny Bball]

Here's an option... trade him for Lowry and a FRP (and maybe a little more). Lowry retires a raptor or signs a very cheap deal and stays another year off the bench.

That doesn’t seem to work under the CBA. Lowry makes a bit too much.

Right....He has to go alone in a trade. Its 182k off. Just spit balling anyway.

[WaltFrazier]

If he gets turned around and traded again, will Jontay take his number back? Will he refund Bruce some of the $10k?

Just chump change to Brown I suppose, no regrets

Final sale. No refunds, no exchanges, no store credit.

Think of all the poor kids out there who just bought a Jontay #11 jersey.

[ImaBeatDatAzz]

If he gets turned around and traded again, will Jontay take his number back? Will he refund Bruce some of the $10k?

Just chump change to Brown I suppose, no regrets

Final sale. No refunds, no exchanges, no store credit.

Think of all the poor kids out there who just bought a Jontay #11 jersey.

Said no one ever lol

[ImaBeatDatAzz]

Just keep brown and trade the one who’s older, Dennis. He is valuable for a contender and not for this timeline anymore. Bruce is very valuable for this rosters re-tool. He’s 27, can definitely stay and be part of the core. Like Bev said, we need a dawg lol. Balances our roster because we need defence.

[Bruin]

Just realized Bruce’s agent is also CAA

[sortpar]

Just keep brown and trade the one who’s older, Dennis. He is valuable for a contender and not for this timeline anymore. Bruce is very valuable for this rosters re-tool. He’s 27, can definitely stay and be part of the core. Like Bev said, we need a dawg lol. Balances our roster because we need defence.

I would like to see the team keep Brown as the starter and trade GTJ for anything that the team can get for him. Bring Grady back and have him come off the bench and let Brown & Shroder tutor Grady.

[ItsDanger]

Keep him? You maximize his value and trade him now. Get a real asset manager in there. What is the alternative? Exercise his team option and hope for a better deal next season?

Expedite the rebuild process.