NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 3: Son of Daughter of MVP thread)

[Exp0sed]

Stole this from the game thread. You can't make this stuff up. No one in the league gets the whistle that Embiid does. He should have Wilt-like numbers on scoring every night if this is what he gets.

& then a few Embiid fans on here wonder why we don’t like him. It’s awful to watch when your supposed MVP is doing crap like this.

You guys are hilarious, the first he fell to keep his balance, the 2nd he hit the knee of Goga so he fell, the 3rd one was fine as well.

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if he just "fell" - why he is getting fouls called?
we don't mind him "falling" we mind him being rewarded by the refs by going to the line (where he is elite and can also catch his breath). you still haven't figured it out, ha?

those 6 foul shots, which drive his PPG and his efficiency up during the rs - vanish in the playoffs
u srsly think any of the 3 shown in the clip would be a foul in the playoffs?

if Embiid keeps flopping like this and stat padding like a mad man, he's gonna break his own record from last season in drop off from rs to playoffs

as for MVP, it's still SGA and Jokic for me, i'd give SGA the slight nod atm
Jokic could have been easily the front runner if he wanted it, but he doesn't and that leaves room for SGA

[CobraCommander]

Embiid won't get past Celtics, his only chance of getting past 2nd round is drawing Bucks instead.

What that gotta do with Embiid being best player on earth

"If he can just stay healthy for a playoff run..."
That's what I was responding to, he is talking about playoffs. Embiid is a mediocre playoff performance especially against Celtics, it's not only due to injuries.

Oh I agree - that’s why Giannis and Jokic are ahead of him. They have closed the deal.

But this year it’s hard to over look individual stats and head to head performances.

He is definitely at worse 3rd

[Exp0sed]

What that gotta do with Embiid being best player on earth

"If he can just stay healthy for a playoff run..."
That's what I was responding to, he is talking about playoffs. Embiid is a mediocre playoff performance especially against Celtics, it's not only due to injuries.

Oh I agree - that’s why Giannis and Jokic are ahead of him. They have closed the deal.

But this year it’s hard to over look individual stats and head to head performances.

He is definitely at worse 3rd

how do u figure that?
even if we discount the blatant ducking, resting, flopping and stat padding and even if we assume he makes the cut for minimum games played (very doubtful imo) - do games played not matter anymore?

I mean, if u wanna argue he's the best player in the league (lol) - that's fine..but there's no way he's higher on the MVP ladder when he played 30 games so far. SGA played 40, Jokic played 42, Giannis played 39 etc

these guys have played 33% more games, was Embiid 33% better than them per game?
that's ludicrous imo

[Hussien Fatal]

Stole this from the game thread. You can't make this stuff up. No one in the league gets the whistle that Embiid does. He should have Wilt-like numbers on scoring every night if this is what he gets.

He does have wilt like numbers. He’s the only player since wilt to average more points than minutes.

[TinmanZBoy]

Joel is more dominant, Joker is more well rounded… it is like a Shaq vs Duncan debate in new era…

[Hussien Fatal]

"If he can just stay healthy for a playoff run..."
That's what I was responding to, he is talking about playoffs. Embiid is a mediocre playoff performance especially against Celtics, it's not only due to injuries.

Oh I agree - that’s why Giannis and Jokic are ahead of him. They have closed the deal.

But this year it’s hard to over look individual stats and head to head performances.

He is definitely at worse 3rd

how do u figure that?
even if we discount the blatant ducking, resting, flopping and stat padding and even if we assume he makes the cut for minimum games played (very doubtful imo) - do games played not matter anymore?

I mean, if u wanna argue he's the best player in the league (lol) - that's fine..but there's no way he's higher on the MVP ladder when he played 30 games so far. SGA played 40, Jokic played 42, Giannis played 39 etc

these guys have played 33% more games, was Embiid 33% better than them per game?
that's ludicrous imo

Lol to think there is “no way” he’s higher on the mvp ladder. He’s putting up the best numbers since wilt chamberlain and his team is 24-6 when he plays not to mention he just Annihilated Jokic on national TV. He also crushed the 1st straw poll pretty easily. And I bet the next straw poll will look exactly the same.

Say what you want but to suggest there is “no way” he could be leading the mvp ladder averaging 35.1ppg 11.4rpg and 6apg is just ridiculous. And honestly you couldn’t be any more wrong.

[Jadoogar]

Stole this from the game thread. You can't make this stuff up. No one in the league gets the whistle that Embiid does. He should have Wilt-like numbers on scoring every night if this is what he gets.

idk how people can enjoy watching this guy, he's big Harden.

[Exp0sed]

Joel is more dominant, Joker is more well rounded… it is like a Shaq vs Duncan debate in new era…

Duncan didn't elevate his teammates to the extent that Jokic does

but yes, Embiid is better in a 1 on 1 setting. Jokic is better 5 on 5

[GeorgeSears]

Here we go.

Interesting that Embiid is in third here.

Just went to the site a few moments ago

Date? Link

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The odds makers don't believe that Embiid is going to clear the 65-game requirement by the end of the season and those concerns are reflected in the odds. As the season progresses, and if Embiid avoids missing more games, those odds will slowly tip towards Embiid.

In the end, as many here have predicted, it's all coming down to Embiid's health.

[Exp0sed]

Here we go.

Interesting that Embiid is in third here.

Just went to the site a few moments ago

Date? Link

Sent from my SM-S918B using Tapatalk

The odds makers don't believe that Embiid is going to clear the 65-game requirement by the end of the season and those concerns are reflected in the odds. As the season progresses, and if Embiid avoids missing more games, those odds will slowly tip towards Embiid.

In the end, as many here have predicted, it's all coming down to Embiid's health.

Embiid needs to play in about 35 of 42 remaining games, that's never happening..

[Hussien Fatal]

Date? Link

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The odds makers don't believe that Embiid is going to clear the 65-game requirement by the end of the season and those concerns are reflected in the odds. As the season progresses, and if Embiid avoids missing more games, those odds will slowly tip towards Embiid.

In the end, as many here have predicted, it's all coming down to Embiid's health.

Embiid needs to play in about 35 of 42 remaining games, that's never happening..

Lol do you want to bet? He already stated before the season he wants to win multiple MVP’s and multiple championships. He’s played 66 games and 68 games his last two seasons respectfully. Im willing to bet he doesn’t miss more than 7 more games. Lmk what you are willing to wager and let’s make it happen.

[Exp0sed]

The odds makers don't believe that Embiid is going to clear the 65-game requirement by the end of the season and those concerns are reflected in the odds. As the season progresses, and if Embiid avoids missing more games, those odds will slowly tip towards Embiid.

In the end, as many here have predicted, it's all coming down to Embiid's health.

Embiid needs to play in about 35 of 42 remaining games, that's never happening..

Lol do you want to bet? He already stated before the season he wants to win multiple MVP’s and multiple championships. He’s played 66 games and 68 games his last two seasons respectfully. Im willing to bet he doesn’t miss more than 7 more games. Lmk what you are willing to wager and let’s make it happen.

i'm not in the habit of betting with strangers
if I were so inclined (to bet), I would simply bet on the other guys while expecting Joe L to not make the cut

lemme ask you this, if you take ANY stretch of his career, any string of consecutive 42 games - can u find one instance where he played 35/42 consecutive games?

I haven't checked cuz it's not an easy thing to check but i'm guessing that never happened.

[Hussien Fatal]

Embiid needs to play in about 35 of 42 remaining games, that's never happening..

Lol do you want to bet? He already stated before the season he wants to win multiple MVP’s and multiple championships. He’s played 66 games and 68 games his last two seasons respectfully. Im willing to bet he doesn’t miss more than 7 more games. Lmk what you are willing to wager and let’s make it happen.

i'm not in the habit of betting with strangers
if I were so inclined (to bet), I would simply bet on the other guys while expecting Joe L to not make the cut

lemme ask you this, if you take ANY stretch of his career, any string of consecutive 42 games - can u find one instance where he played 35/42 consecutive games?

I haven't checked cuz it's not an easy thing to check but i'm guessing that never happened.

Doesn’t sound like you’re too confident that he’s gonna miss 35/42 games. I’m not sure if he’s ever had a stretch of 35/42 games but like I said he’s played 134/164 in the two seasons prior to this one.

He knows what’s at stake and if he can avoid any freak injuries he should definitely play 65 games and I definitely don’t see him missing more than 7 more games this season.

I know you want him to get injured for your own personal gratification but I wouldn’t bet on him having a serious injury that ends his mvp candidacy.

[CD_41]

The odds makers don't believe that Embiid is going to clear the 65-game requirement by the end of the season and those concerns are reflected in the odds. As the season progresses, and if Embiid avoids missing more games, those odds will slowly tip towards Embiid.

In the end, as many here have predicted, it's all coming down to Embiid's health.

Embiid needs to play in about 35 of 42 remaining games, that's never happening..

Lol do you want to bet? He already stated before the season he wants to win multiple MVP’s and multiple championships. He’s played 66 games and 68 games his last two seasons respectfully. Im willing to bet he doesn’t miss more than 7 more games. Lmk what you are willing to wager and let’s make it happen.

I will bet with you on this. The loser is not allowed to post on the General Board for the whole 2024 playoffs

[Exp0sed]

Lol do you want to bet? He already stated before the season he wants to win multiple MVP’s and multiple championships. He’s played 66 games and 68 games his last two seasons respectfully. Im willing to bet he doesn’t miss more than 7 more games. Lmk what you are willing to wager and let’s make it happen.

I haven't checked cuz it's not an easy thing to check but i'm guessing that never happened.

Doesn’t sound like you’re too confident that he’s gonna miss 35/42 games. I’m not sure if he’s ever had a stretch of 35/42 games but like I said he’s played 134/164 in the two seasons prior to this one.

He knows what’s at stake and if he can avoid any freak injuries he should definitely play 65 games and I definitely don’t see him missing more than 7 more games this season.

I know you want him to get injured for your own personal gratification but I wouldn’t bet on him having a serious injury that ends his mvp candidacy.

wth..haha

I do NOT want him to get injured, period. personal gratification? lmfao, my personal gratification will come (like it always it does) when he flames out in the postseason and has more turnovers than assists for another playoff run - it won't come from him not playing. watching last season fiasco after the fake MVP he got was extremely graitifiying tbh, wouldn't miss that for the world haha and that can't happpen if he's injured, right?

I like Embiid personally, I think he's a great guy and a heck of a player. if he had a different mentality he could have been much better than he is. I don't like him as a player, athlete and competitor - he's just not that guy, but I certainly don't wish injury on him, that's proposterous and 100% false.

his foul baiting, flopping, reckless play etc are the worst i've ever seen but that's not on him, that's on the refs that reward his anti-basketball antics. I can't fault him for taking advantage of it.
I do however find it unwatchable, just not my cup of tea I guess and i'd feel the same if I were say..a lifelong 76ers fan and you would offer me a championship run but played like that - i'd say, no thanks.

134/164 is pretty different from 35/42

we shall see

[LordCovington33]

Stole this from the game thread. You can't make this stuff up. No one in the league gets the whistle that Embiid does. He should have Wilt-like numbers on scoring every night if this is what he gets.

I agree it is ugly basketball and not a fan of it, but they are still technically fouls. For example for the first one - the defender was moving his feet and not set. The coach could have challenged them but he knew the challenge would be wasted. Why didn’t he challenge if they weren’t fouls? Again I agree it’s ugly to watch and there are issues with consistency, although I see Tatum and Trae Young pushing off the defenders a lot to create separation. But Jokic doesn’t get the same whistle. I think MOST of us can agree with that.

[AleksandarN]

Embiid needs to play in about 35 of 42 remaining games, that's never happening..

Lol do you want to bet? He already stated before the season he wants to win multiple MVP’s and multiple championships. He’s played 66 games and 68 games his last two seasons respectfully. Im willing to bet he doesn’t miss more than 7 more games. Lmk what you are willing to wager and let’s make it happen.

I will bet with you on this. The loser is not allowed to post on the General Board for the whole 2024 playoffs

That’s not a bet because Hussien disappears every playoffs once it gets to the third round

[Exp0sed]

Stole this from the game thread. You can't make this stuff up. No one in the league gets the whistle that Embiid does. He should have Wilt-like numbers on scoring every night if this is what he gets.

I agree it is ugly basketball and not a fan of it, but they are still technically fouls. For example for the first one - the defender was moving his feet and not set. The coach could have challenged them but he knew the challenge would be wasted. Why didn’t he challenge if they weren’t fouls? Again I agree it’s ugly to watch and there are issues with consistency, although I see Tatum and Trae Young pushing off the defenders a lot to create separation. But Jokic doesn’t get the same whistle. I think MOST of us can agree with that.

first one is not a foul, come on now..
defender is in his spot and shuffling his feet, Embiid initiates the contact and isn't impeded illegaly by the defender who is in legal guarding position
you can call that a foul, maybe 1 time out of 10

is the secod one a foul too?
the only contact there even is, is Embiid pushing Goga with his offhand. when Goga doesn't budge, Embiid falls down and get a foul
that's a complete and utter flop, there isn't even any contact. that one should have been a flopping tech for Embiid, it's
an outrageous call (the 2nd one) and it happens when it's just 77-71, the game isn't even iced...just brutal

these calls not only send a 85% shooter to the line, they also give him time to rest. fall to the ground, by the time he gets up and shoots the free throws, that's lke a whole minute to catch his breath

the 3rd is technically a foul, but it's like moving screens and carries - u see those shoves (prior to the catch) especially vs. big guys from smaller guys, most of the time they aren't called but sometimes, when it's egergious or just because - they do get called

Ingles is slow to put a body on Embiid after the deflection and he clearly uses his hand to shove (slightly) Embiid's back. obviously Embiid flops to make his point to the refs but the foul is there regardless

that's a league wide officiating issue, if you don't exaggerate the contact ur less likely to get calls, which gives everyone an incentive to flop and make the game unwatchable. it won't be fixed until the league decides to fix it and they're not intrested in doing that.

anyways by my count only 1 of those 3 is "technically a foul"

[Peregrine01]

Stole this from the game thread. You can't make this stuff up. No one in the league gets the whistle that Embiid does. He should have Wilt-like numbers on scoring every night if this is what he gets.

I agree it is ugly basketball and not a fan of it, but they are still technically fouls. For example for the first one - the defender was moving his feet and not set. The coach could have challenged them but he knew the challenge would be wasted. Why didn’t he challenge if they weren’t fouls? Again I agree it’s ugly to watch and there are issues with consistency, although I see Tatum and Trae Young pushing off the defenders a lot to create separation. But Jokic doesn’t get the same whistle. I think MOST of us can agree with that.

"Technically a foul". Newsflash: EVERYTHING is technically a foul by that definition. There's incidental contact on every basketball possession.

[LeBronSpaghetti]

The idea that some think Embiid will miss the 65 game mark is crazy to me. He’ll step on the court for 30 seconds while injured if he has to in order to hit that number.