NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 3: Son of Daughter of MVP thread)

[yannisk]

Embiid needs to play in about 35 of 42 remaining games, that's never happening..

Lol do you want to bet? He already stated before the season he wants to win multiple MVP’s and multiple championships. He’s played 66 games and 68 games his last two seasons respectfully. Im willing to bet he doesn’t miss more than 7 more games. Lmk what you are willing to wager and let’s make it happen.

I will bet with you on this. The loser is not allowed to post on the General Board for the whole 2024 playoffs

For Hussien that is the first two rounds of the playofs

[losmi]

Stole this from the game thread. You can't make this stuff up. No one in the league gets the whistle that Embiid does. He should have Wilt-like numbers on scoring every night if this is what he gets.

I agree it is ugly basketball and not a fan of it, but they are still technically fouls. For example for the first one - the defender was moving his feet and not set. The coach could have challenged them but he knew the challenge would be wasted. Why didn’t he challenge if they weren’t fouls? Again I agree it’s ugly to watch and there are issues with consistency, although I see Tatum and Trae Young pushing off the defenders a lot to create separation. But Jokic doesn’t get the same whistle. I think MOST of us can agree with that.

You can take literally any player and make a video of marginal contacts that could technically be fouls to justify him getting 12 FTA's per game. Yet, only fabricated superstars are really getting those 12 FTA's.

[Hussien Fatal]

Embiid needs to play in about 35 of 42 remaining games, that's never happening..

Lol do you want to bet? He already stated before the season he wants to win multiple MVP’s and multiple championships. He’s played 66 games and 68 games his last two seasons respectfully. Im willing to bet he doesn’t miss more than 7 more games. Lmk what you are willing to wager and let’s make it happen.

I will bet with you on this. The loser is not allowed to post on the General Board for the whole 2024 playoffs

Done!

[Archx]

Embiid whistle is getting dangerously close to those prime Harden days when defenders weren't even allowed to run next to him, let alone touch him. But luckily there was a lot of outcry from everyone so NBA was forced to change how he was officiated later on.

Watching these 3 videos i seriously wonder if WNBA is tougher than this BS product we're getting served by Silver. It's becoming more and more a total joke and Embiid is the epicenter of it.

[Hussien Fatal]

I haven't checked cuz it's not an easy thing to check but i'm guessing that never happened.

Doesn’t sound like you’re too confident that he’s gonna miss 35/42 games. I’m not sure if he’s ever had a stretch of 35/42 games but like I said he’s played 134/164 in the two seasons prior to this one.

He knows what’s at stake and if he can avoid any freak injuries he should definitely play 65 games and I definitely don’t see him missing more than 7 more games this season.

I know you want him to get injured for your own personal gratification but I wouldn’t bet on him having a serious injury that ends his mvp candidacy.

wth..haha

I do NOT want him to get injured, period. personal gratification? lmfao, my personal gratification will come (like it always it does) when he flames out in the postseason and has more turnovers than assists for another playoff run - it won't come from him not playing. watching last season fiasco after the fake MVP he got was extremely graitifiying tbh, wouldn't miss that for the world haha and that can't happpen if he's injured, right?

I like Embiid personally, I think he's a great guy and a heck of a player. if he had a different mentality he could have been much better than he is. I don't like him as a player, athlete and competitor - he's just not that guy, but I certainly don't wish injury on him, that's proposterous and 100% false.

his foul baiting, flopping, reckless play etc are the worst i've ever seen but that's not on him, that's on the refs that reward his anti-basketball antics. I can't fault him for taking advantage of it.
I do however find it unwatchable, just not my cup of tea I guess and i'd feel the same if I were say..a lifelong 76ers fan and you would offer me a championship run but played like that - i'd say, no thanks.

134/164 is pretty different from 35/42

we shall see

This here is the most contradictory post I’ve ever seen. You get personal gratification from him losing in the playoffs? So why would I believe you don’t want him to be injured. Him being knocked out the playoffs is the same as him not playing so please stop being silly.

Another contradictory point you made was that you like Embiid and you think he’s a heck of a player but you don’t like Embiid the player. Do you understand how ridiculous that sounds.

You don’t like Embiid you are clearly one of his haters that talks down on him and his play style every chance you get. You might be able to fool some people but not me. Your post is full of Embiid hate.

[Wolfgang630]

The idea that some think Embiid will miss the 65 game mark is crazy to me. He’ll step on the court for 30 seconds while injured if he has to in order to hit that number.

I’m pretty sure you have to play a minimum of 15 to 20 minutes for the game to count

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[Exp0sed]

The idea that some think Embiid will miss the 65 game mark is crazy to me. He’ll step on the court for 30 seconds while injured if he has to in order to hit that number.

there's some minimum, something like 15 or 18 mins. can't just be for 30 secs.
besides, it won't help him..

he's already missed more than double the games his competitors have missed, if this trend continues..
let's say Jokic and SGA both play 75 games, Giannis plays 73 or whatever and Embiid had played 65

u think just beacuse he'll average a few more points he's going to get votes playing 65 games when there are guys who have been just as good as him (if not better, per game) but have played in 72 or 75 instead of 65? hell no..

edit: p.s, bear in mind that even without a minium of mins, just dressing up for say 3 or 4 or 5 games would have hurt his raw averages anyway

[Exp0sed]

The idea that some think Embiid will miss the 65 game mark is crazy to me. He’ll step on the court for 30 seconds while injured if he has to in order to hit that number.

I’m pretty sure you have to play a minimum of 15 to 20 minutes for the game to count

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that's smart actually
resting on a b2b vs the Hornets when the 76es will win without him anyway

that's how he and the 76ers should have been doing all along, instead of using these games to stat pad - he should rest and heal to be ready for the playoffs.

this might be the best possible news for 76ers fans, if the org is finally dedicated to actually trying to accomplish something and not allowing their man-child superstar to chase accolades and ego at the expense of the team.

[losmi]

The odds makers don't believe that Embiid is going to clear the 65-game requirement by the end of the season and those concerns are reflected in the odds. As the season progresses, and if Embiid avoids missing more games, those odds will slowly tip towards Embiid.

In the end, as many here have predicted, it's all coming down to Embiid's health.

Embiid needs to play in about 35 of 42 remaining games, that's never happening..

Lol do you want to bet? He already stated before the season he wants to win multiple MVP’s and multiple championships. He’s played 66 games and 68 games his last two seasons respectfully. Im willing to bet he doesn’t miss more than 7 more games. Lmk what you are willing to wager and let’s make it happen.

A 30yo guy who has always been garbage in the playoffs and has never even come close to the finals stated that he wants to win multiple championships. What a PR.

As for the MVP's, that's typical behavior for fraudsters. You give them something they don't deserve and they'll come back asking for more.

[Exp0sed]

134/164 is pretty different from 35/42

we shall see

This here is the most contradictory post I’ve ever seen. You get personal gratification from him losing in the playoffs? So why would I believe you don’t want him to be injured. Him being knocked out the playoffs is the same as him not playing so please stop being silly.

Another contradictory point you made was that you like Embiid and you think he’s a heck of a player but you don’t like Embiid the player. Do you understand how ridiculous that sounds.

You don’t like Embiid you are clearly one of his haters that talks down on him and his play style every chance you get. You might be able to fool some people but not me. Your post is full of Embiid hate.

i'm srry Huessien but English isn't my first (and not even my second language) sometimes i'm hard to understand

i'll explain:

1.) i'm a certified "Embiid hater" and I have said so (dozens of times) itt over the last few years and in other threads as well. not hiding it at all rather - proclaiming it!

2.) The reason I want Embiid to fail is because he's an embrassment to the sport, being as talented and such a physical specimen that he is but elects to fall down on every play, endanger other players and their livelihood with his reckless play and the flopping, falling down and pro foul baiting. I find it unwatchable so like any fan in the world - I want to see him lose so that type of behavior and play will not get rewarded and worse - get copied. u understand? if we reward Embiid with fake accolades, more and more player will imitate him and that would make the league unwatchable

him being injured doesn't serve that purpose at all and I wouldn't wish an injury on any athlete, no matter how much i "hate" him

as for your second "contradictory point" - I phrased that badly, i'll try again: I like Embiid the man, he comes off as a very genuine, good hearted and good guy. When I say "a heck of a player" - i'm talking about his talent and the combo of talent, athleticism and skills.
when I said I don't like him the athlete\player\competitor - I mean his mindset.

it's just like we always wonder, how would the career of a guy like AD (with his insane combo of athleticism, size and skills) would have looked like if he had a different motor and mentality

Embiid could have been one of the best players to ever play the game, but he's so busy falling down and trying to bait scrubs into fouls...that he ends up flaming out year by year. just can't keep his head in the game...at least thus far in his career

he's consumed by this useless pursuit of accolades and recognition, chases useless "streaks" when he's not fully healthy - all at the expense of the team

is that clearer now?

if Embiid started to act (and play) the right way - i would become a big fan of his
I criticise him constantly because I find it mind boggling that a guy so talented would make the poor choices that he makes
no respect for the spirit of the game

old man yelling at clouds I guess..

[GeorgeSears]

The idea that some think Embiid will miss the 65 game mark is crazy to me. He’ll step on the court for 30 seconds while injured if he has to in order to hit that number.

I’m pretty sure you have to play a minimum of 15 to 20 minutes for the game to count

Read on Twitter

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Wow, I actually didn't know about that!

[Exp0sed]

The idea that some think Embiid will miss the 65 game mark is crazy to me. He’ll step on the court for 30 seconds while injured if he has to in order to hit that number.

I’m pretty sure you have to play a minimum of 15 to 20 minutes for the game to count

Wow, I actually didn't know about that!

fwiw, I don't like this rule

the 65 games rule also applies btw to All-NBA teams, scoring title, what have u
prob is, at some point in the future we will get another Walton, meaning a season where a guy plays 60 games but is so far and beyond his competitors per game, that he was still more valuable commulatively, despite playing much fewer games

and now with the rule in place - that hypotethical player won't get the award

I mean games played were already factored in heavily, as evidenced by no1 other than the first merger season version of Walton (and that's an outlier season anyway, in many respects) - despite having no such rule...ya know?

[Archx]

The reason I want Embiid to fail is because he's an embrassment to the sport, being as talented and such a physical specimen that he is but elects to fall down on every play, endanger other players and their livelihood with his reckless play and the flopping.

Complete joke of a player. Does something similar basically every game.

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[Wolfgang630]

Embiid will give reasons for people not to like his game.

[Exp0sed]

Embiid will give reasons for people not to like his game.

exactly, same way Harden was elite but still no1 liked to watch that
i'm surprised the Embiid stans don't get this..like we all have something personal against him, like it's a big mystery why he's disliked, when he's making games unwatchable

as i've said many times, i'm a Euro and I have my local fandom but no particular attachment to any American franchise
not like I hate the 76ers or whatever. I really don't nor am I a Nuggets fan or whatever (I certainly am not)

but yes, i'm a Jokic fan for sure. it's been so much fun watching him play these last few years, extremely entertaining and competitive.

[Special_Puppy]

Rough MVP Ranking based on the season so far
1. Jokic
2. SGA
3. Embiid
4. Giannis
5. Luka

Embiid being punished for missing 10 games

[Chokic]

I don't think the hate and slander for Embiid even stems from the flopping or "foul baiting" it's more due to his long standing rivalry w/ Jokic and some of his stans being so insecure and defensive about him being better than Jokic. On this board in this particular the blame will be placed on individuals that can be counted on one hand who defend Embiid from such slander against the hordes of jokic fanboys that gaslight these few individuals as the agitators or provokers of creating threads or leaving posts diminishing jokic greatness.

Other factors include Embiid repeated playoff failures/"choke" making him a meme of sorts where ppl just lost respect for him as a legit superstar despite ignoring the well documented injuries sustained leading up to or during postseason and blaming it as an excuse. Another is the time when sixers had this huge internal dilemma about the direction of the franchise following another early playoff exit a pretty big contingent of the sixers fan base who were very high on Ben Simmons at the time were butthurt and petty that Simmons was the one shipped off the team instead of Embiid.

Basically a culmination of all those things but primarily due to the emergence of Jokic. The constant battle between this generations great bigs to claim supremacy as not only best center but the best player in the league. As of now Jokic can hold that claim w/ his most recent accomplsjmemt and his stans feeling vidincated after Embiid justly won his mvp last season for previous robbery 2022 season. But i digress it would be nice to see Embiid achieve his redemption arc by finally getting his flowers after he wins his 2nd mvp and wins a title for city of philadelphia. Believe it or not there was a brief moment in time when Embiid was actually well liked and embraced as kind of like the guy w/ a sense of humour w/ his online twitter trolling..but those days seem like a distant memory. Embiid has already entered Kobe Bryant territory of hatred where even after he's accomplished many great things and long retired his name will be slandered.

[Gday mate]

Nah! It's all about his flopping for me

[losmi]

I don't think the hate and slander for Embiid even stems from the flopping or "foul baiting" it's more due to his long standing rivalry w/ Jokic and some of his stans being so insecure and defensive about him being better than Jokic. On this board in this particular the blame will be placed on individuals that can be counted on one hand who defend Embiid from such slander against the hordes of jokic fanboys that gaslight these few individuals as the agitators or provokers of creating threads or leaving posts diminishing jokic greatness.

Other factors include Embiid repeated playoff failures/"choke" making him a meme of sorts where ppl just lost respect for him as a legit superstar despite ignoring the well documented injuries sustained leading up to or during postseason and blaming it as an excuse. Another is the time when sixers had this huge internal dilemma about the direction of the franchise following another early playoff exit a pretty big contingent of the sixers fan base who were very high on Ben Simmons at the time were butthurt and petty that Simmons was the one shipped off the team instead of Embiid.

Basically a culmination of all those things but primarily due to the emergence of Jokic. The constant battle between this generations great bigs to claim supremacy as not only best center but the best player in the league. As of now Jokic can hold that claim w/ his most recent accomplsjmemt and his stans feeling vidincated after Embiid justly won his mvp last season for previous robbery 2022 season. But i digress it would be nice to see Embiid achieve his redemption arc by finally getting his flowers after he wins his 2nd mvp and wins a title for city of philadelphia. Believe it or not there was a brief moment in time when Embiid was actually well liked and embraced as kind of like the guy w/ a sense of humour w/ his online twitter trolling..but those days seem like a distant memory. Embiid has already entered Kobe Bryant territory of hatred where even after he's accomplished many great things and long retired his name will be slandered.

There is no battle. One is an all-time great player. The other is just a stat padder with a good PR. People just react to silly comparisons.

There will be no redemption arcs for Embiid. He doesn't have skills to be 1st option on a contender.

[Jurassic_Park]

Games like this by Dame is what kill any chance Giannis had of mvp