NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 3: Son of Daughter of MVP thread)

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Eh, Luka isn't doing it in the regular season either. He'll have these spurts, and then they'll die down. Nobody is bringing it every day like Embiid is.

Injuries play huge part in Mavs record. Mavs had the most starting lineup changes out of any team, there is no consistency with them. I can't even remember when was the last time their team was fully healthy. Even at the start of the season Kyrie was already out. Luka's numbers are actually really good and he substantially improved his defense, to the point that recently ESPN even wrote an article about it.

The only thing stopping Embiid from being the best player in the world (and it's a big thing, and most likely the hardest thing) is a chip.

No. The only thing stopping him is his constant manipulation of the refs, just like Harden in the past. And Embiid is taking it to the absolute extremes. In playoffs this **** doesn't work anymore, we've seen it over and over again.

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He's got a point. Finals MVP anyone can win. Iggy won it, you think he's winning a regular season MVP. It's 4 games minimum 7 games max. Props to Joker, but he didnt' exactly play against a guantlet of teams for the chip. Plenty of issues with the teams he played, but he can only play the teams he's facing. Winning an MVP is harder than winning a finals MVP, but winning a chip is obviously harder than either.

ur moving goal posts...again

u literally wrote dozens and dozens of posts in 2022 about how wrong it would be to give a b2b MVP to a dude that hasn't won a chip, a dude that has never played with another all-star and that played extremely well in the playoffs every chance he got

now ur calling for a b2b MVP to a dude that has never made it out of the 2nd rd. do u really want me to dig up and quote the countless time u argued back 2 back MVP is reserved for a special tier of players (measured, according to u - by post season success)?

u spent 2 years repeating the same arguments about Jokic's lack of defense and how he's going to be exploited and exposed in the playoffs and how a team can never win a chip if it's built around a C that can't defend, when he went around and did just that (and in spectecular and convincing fashion not seen since Dirk), now ur claiming his competition wasn't all that...

if he's competition was so bad, how come u didn't predict he's got a good chance to go all the way?
it's not his fault the favorites on paper in the East (C's and Bucks) lost to that Miami team

I mean, if they were so bad - how come the best scorer ever and the best C to come along in decades (and MVP!) couldn't get past those teams?

One is a 3 time MVP for someone who never made the finals, while historically no one has ever won 3 in a row without winning a title before hand. I didn't say b2b. It was b2b2b 3 in a row, not 2 in a row.

Winning 2 in a row isn't the same, and if all you want is a conference finals birth they have been 1 win away several times. It's not the same, you can say moving goalposts, but the two are not the same. You just don't like it because you're not a fan of Embiid, and you know if he makes the 65 game limit he'll win the MVP this year.

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One is a 3 time MVP for someone who never made the finals, while historically no one has ever won 3 in a row without winning a title before hand. I didn't say b2b. It was b2b2b 3 in a row, not 2 in a row.

Winning 2 in a row isn't the same, and if all you want is a conference finals birth they have been 1 win away several times. It's not the same, you can say moving goalposts, but the two are not the same. You just don't like it because you're not a fan of Embiid, and you know if he makes the 65 game limit he'll win the MVP this year.

my friend, I could care less about who wins MVP
Embiid last year was a laughable choice but it's no skin off my bones, ya know?

you're arguing now that u only made that argument regarding b2b2b, 3 in a row but I remember differently
btw, has there ever been a player that's won twice in a row without ever getting out of the 2nd rd? lol

if Embiid makes it to the minimum, he still won't win it. he won't win playing 66 games with guys like Jokic and SGA doing what they're doing and if he did, it will only make his inevitable playoff flameout more epic and enjoyable

honestly having him win the fake racially motivated MVP and then embrassing himself in the playoffs while his nemesis (who was robbed of his 3rd) did what he did...that was next level epic. nothing could be more enjoyable than that and that doesn't happen if he doesn't win his fake pity MVP

so i'm all for Embiid winning it again, that's never happening tho because a.) he won't meet the minimum and b.) voters aren't that dumb...most of them anyways

[Hussien Fatal]

One is a 3 time MVP for someone who never made the finals, while historically no one has ever won 3 in a row without winning a title before hand. I didn't say b2b. It was b2b2b 3 in a row, not 2 in a row.

Winning 2 in a row isn't the same, and if all you want is a conference finals birth they have been 1 win away several times. It's not the same, you can say moving goalposts, but the two are not the same. You just don't like it because you're not a fan of Embiid, and you know if he makes the 65 game limit he'll win the MVP this year.

my friend, I could care less about who wins MVP
Embiid last year was a laughable choice but it's no skin off my bones, ya know?

you're arguing now that u only made that argument regarding b2b2b, 3 in a row but I remember differently
btw, has there ever been a player that's won twice in a row without ever getting out of the 2nd rd? lol

if Embiid makes it to the minimum, he still won't win it. he won't win playing 66 games with guys like Jokic and SGA doing what they're doing and if he did, it will only make his playoff flameout more epic and enjoyable

honestly having him win the fake racially motivated MVP and then embrassing himself in the playoffs while his nemesis (who was robbed of his 3rd) did what he did...that was next level epic. nothing could be more enjoyable than that and that doesn't happen if he doesn't win his fake pity MVP

so i'm all for Embiid winning it again, that's never happening tho because a.) he won't meet the minimum and b.) voters aren't that dumb...most of them anyways

Lol he’s averaging 35 11 and 6 and his team is 25-6 when he plays. He’s played 12 less games than Jokic but he easily favored to win the mvp this season. No doubt he can easily win it over Jokic and sga playing only 65 games. If you think otherwise you have no clue what you’re talking about.

[Hussien Fatal]

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Lol once Embiid qualifies this won’t be the case as Embiid has a higher career per than any player in nba history.

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Lol he’s averaging 35 11 and 6 and his team is 25-6 when he plays. He’s played 12 less games than Jokic but he easily favored to win the mvp this season. No doubt he can easily win it over Jokic and sga playing only 65 games. If you think otherwise you have no clue what you’re talking about.

we'll see

voters aren't dumb..
yeah, he plays mostly against Charlotte and Detroit (and sits out the rest) i'm surprised he isn't averaging 45 and that his team has any losses at all

well, alot can happen in the 2nd half of the season but if things stay about where they are right now, voters aren't voting for a guy who played 10 games less, just because he has a few more ppg. u realize Embiid is like at 40% usage, right?

if Jokic or SGA had that usage rate their numbers would be downright scary
pick and choosing his opponents, resting all the time...that makes it easier to play the games u do play, while foul baiting, stat padding and being force fed literally every other ball (40% is crazy)

voters see that my friend, they know he wouldn't have been able to play at this intensity and usage over 75 games

more and more people are calling for a shift towards totals, I think it makes alot of sense
MVP's have always been about the commulative value of a player to his team, over a regular season - who contributed the most throughout the course of a rs

Embiid needs to be significantly better per game, to overcome 10 or 15% less games and that's just not possible
unless he does something nuts like basically play every game from now on, or miss just a couple and end up playing 70 game

or ofc, Jokic and SGA miss significant time themselves..otherwise it's just not happening


edit: we've been over this in seasons past..players who play 65, or 66, or 68 games - do NOT win MVP
especially if they don't have the best records and have competitors who are producing at the same level but are playing more.

it's really that simple..

[Hussien Fatal]

Lol he’s averaging 35 11 and 6 and his team is 25-6 when he plays. He’s played 12 less games than Jokic but he easily favored to win the mvp this season. No doubt he can easily win it over Jokic and sga playing only 65 games. If you think otherwise you have no clue what you’re talking about.

we'll see

voters aren't dumb..
yeah, he plays mostly against Charlotte and Detroit (and sits out the rest) i'm surprised he isn't averaging 45 and that his team has any losses at all

well, alot can happen in the 2nd half of the season but if things stay about where they are right now, voters aren't voting for a guy who played 10 games less, just because he has a few more ppg. u realize Embiid is like at 40% usage, right?

if Jokic or SGA had that usage rate their numbers would be downright scary
pick and choosing his opponents, resting all the time...that makes it easier to play the games u do play, while foul baiting, stat padding and being force fed literally every other ball (40% is crazy)

voters see that my friend, they know he wouldn't have been able to play at this intensity and usage over 75 games

more and more people are calling for a shift towards totals, I think it makes alot of sense
MVP's have always been about the commulative value of a player to his team, over a regular season - who contributed the most throughout the course of a rs

Embiid needs to be significantly better per game, to overcome 10 or 15% less games and that's just not possible
unless he does something nuts like basically play every game from now on, or miss just a couple and end up playing 70 game

or ofc, Jokic and SGA miss significant time themselves..otherwise it's just not happening


edit: we've been over this in seasons past..players who play 65, or 66, or 68 games - do NOT win MVP
especially if they don't have the best records and have competitors who are producing at the same level but are playing more.

it's really that simple..

You couldn’t be anymore wrong. Embiid should’ve won mvp the two last seasons playing 66 games and 68 games. Right now he’s played significantly less games than Jokic but the odds are still in embiids favor to win MVP.

And I’m sorry but Embiid is probably the only player in the league that warrants a usage rate as high as his own. He scores more than a POINT PER MINUTE. When Jokic or SGA can score at that type of level get back to be about the usage argument.

You can say “it’s as simple as that” all you want but Embiid has been significantly better than Jokic and Sga this season. So far this season he’s beaten the Nuggets, the Celtics, the Timberwolves and the Thunder all of these teams have a top 7 record in the league. I also find it ridiculous that you knock him for playing teams that are on the schedule, what do you want him to do? Rest when the Sixers play a crap team? Why? Doesn’t make any sense especially when Jokic and SGA suit up to play crap teams as well.

But bottom line is your wrong and your gonna be in for a big surprise when Embiid plays 65 games and easily wins MVP over guys playing 10+ games more than Embiid.

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Lol he’s averaging 35 11 and 6 and his team is 25-6 when he plays. He’s played 12 less games than Jokic but he easily favored to win the mvp this season. No doubt he can easily win it over Jokic and sga playing only 65 games. If you think otherwise you have no clue what you’re talking about.

You couldn’t be anymore wrong. Embiid should’ve won mvp the two last seasons playing 66 games and 68 games. Right now he’s played significantly less games than Jokic but the odds are still in embiids favor to win MVP.

And I’m sorry but Embiid is probably the only player in the league that warrants a usage rate as high as his own. He scores more than a POINT PER MINUTE. When Jokic or SGA can score at that type of level get back to be about the usage argument.

You can say “it’s as simple as that” all you want but Embiid has been significantly better than Jokic and Sga this season. So far this season he’s beaten the Nuggets, the Celtics, the Timberwolves and the Thunder all of these teams have a top 7 record in the league. I also find it ridiculous that you knock him for playing teams that are on the schedule, what do you want him to do? Rest when the Sixers play a crap team? Why? Doesn’t make any sense especially when Jokic and SGA suit up to play crap teams as well.

But bottom line is your wrong and your gonna be in for a big surprise when Embiid plays 65 games and easily wins MVP over guys playing 10+ games more than Embiid.

he should've? says who, you?
if it were up to u he'd be winning his 4th in a row this season lol

as usual, you completely ignored everthing I said
my point wasn't that he's "worthy" (or not) to 40% usage, but simply that his body couldn't handle 40% usage over 75 games and it's unfair comparing guys that do have to actually suit up night in and night out to a part-time player

fwiw, Embiid blatant stat padding, force feeding and foul baiting is gonna come back to haunt the 76ers in the playoffs, as per usual. 40% usage is way too reliant on Embiid. it's nice when he can do that for 3 quarters against Charlotte and then rest, but in the playoffs that's not an option and when suddenly all those jumpers are short because he's gassed - the team would be stuck cuz they barely practiced playing differently

Jokic spent all of last season (when he finally got Murray and MPJ back) to incorporate everyone. it hurt his raw stats (alot) and it even cost the Nuggets some losses, losses that they probably wouldn't have lost if Jokic were to go to 40% usage and "playoff mode" but it paid dividends in the end

Embiid is using up all the possesions because he wants personal accolades but in the end, since he can't play like that throughout a grueling post season, night in and night out - this team might struggle to adjust, when it matters the most

as for the top teams mentioned, Philly beat most of those team at home. Philly is a great team..Joe L is having a tremendous season, Maxey is borderline All-NBA, Harris is ballin', Batum fits like a glove and was def the missing piece for them in that dreaded "5th starter" spot and great role players all around, finally with an actual NBA coach to boot so the sky's the limit

it stands to reason they would beat even great teams at home, we'll see how they do in Denver, Boston, Minny etc in the second half of the season. even great teams like Minny \ Denver etc. are pretty middling away from home, I wouldn't get overly excited about a couple of early season regular season home wins

Embiid isn't winning playing 65 or 67 games unless he really dominates and the 76ers are the top seed etc, or if the other guys miss significant time themselves.
after last season's fiasco, voters aren't falling in that partiuclar trap again rest assured

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Lol once Embiid qualifies this won’t be the case as Embiid has a higher career per than any player in nba history.

It will even highlight the discrepancy between regular season and playoffs:
Playoffs:
1. Nikola Jokić 29.02
2. Michael Jordan*28.60
3. George Mikan* 28.51
4. LeBron James 27.94
5. Anthony Davis 26.56
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Joel Embiid 21.62

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Lol he’s averaging 35 11 and 6 and his team is 25-6 when he plays. He’s played 12 less games than Jokic but he easily favored to win the mvp this season. No doubt he can easily win it over Jokic and sga playing only 65 games. If you think otherwise you have no clue what you’re talking about.

we'll see

voters aren't dumb..
yeah, he plays mostly against Charlotte and Detroit (and sits out the rest) i'm surprised he isn't averaging 45 and that his team has any losses at all

well, alot can happen in the 2nd half of the season but if things stay about where they are right now, voters aren't voting for a guy who played 10 games less, just because he has a few more ppg. u realize Embiid is like at 40% usage, right?

if Jokic or SGA had that usage rate their numbers would be downright scary
pick and choosing his opponents, resting all the time...that makes it easier to play the games u do play, while foul baiting, stat padding and being force fed literally every other ball (40% is crazy)

voters see that my friend, they know he wouldn't have been able to play at this intensity and usage over 75 games

more and more people are calling for a shift towards totals, I think it makes alot of sense
MVP's have always been about the commulative value of a player to his team, over a regular season - who contributed the most throughout the course of a rs

Embiid needs to be significantly better per game, to overcome 10 or 15% less games and that's just not possible
unless he does something nuts like basically play every game from now on, or miss just a couple and end up playing 70 game

or ofc, Jokic and SGA miss significant time themselves..otherwise it's just not happening


edit: we've been over this in seasons past..players who play 65, or 66, or 68 games - do NOT win MVP
especially if they don't have the best records and have competitors who are producing at the same level but are playing more.

it's really that simple..

You couldn’t be anymore wrong. Embiid should’ve won mvp the two last seasons playing 66 games and 68 games. Right now he’s played significantly less games than Jokic but the odds are still in embiids favor to win MVP.

And I’m sorry but Embiid is probably the only player in the league that warrants a usage rate as high as his own. He scores more than a POINT PER MINUTE. When Jokic or SGA can score at that type of level get back to be about the usage argument.

You can say “it’s as simple as that” all you want but Embiid has been significantly better than Jokic and Sga this season. So far this season he’s beaten the Nuggets, the Celtics, the Timberwolves and the Thunder all of these teams have a top 7 record in the league. I also find it ridiculous that you knock him for playing teams that are on the schedule, what do you want him to do? Rest when the Sixers play a crap team? Why? Doesn’t make any sense especially when Jokic and SGA suit up to play crap teams as well.

But bottom line is your wrong and your gonna be in for a big surprise when Embiid plays 65 games and easily wins MVP over guys playing 10+ games more than Embiid.

No, obviously no one wants that. What people want is for Embiid to play in the big games against tough opponents if he wants to win the MVP. So far, the Sixers have had 9 road games against playoff teams. Embiid’s played 3 of them. 3 out of 9 doesn’t give you full credit. Especially when Jokic, SGA, and Giannis have played in 123 out of 127 possible games over the course of the season.

Embiid stans wanna act like there’s some huge gap when healthy that makes up for him missing the majority of the Sixers’ tough games, but it’s just not true. Jokic leads in BPM by a decent margin. WS/48 is a virtual 3-way tie. If you look at cumulative stats, Embiid is 3rd in VORP and ranks closer to 17th than 1st. He’s 4th in WS and ranks closer to 18th than 1st. He’s 4th in EPM EW. He’s much closer to being tied with Jokic and SGA on a per minute basis than he is to being tied with them once you account for him missing 26% of the season.

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You couldn’t be anymore wrong. Embiid should’ve won mvp the two last seasons playing 66 games and 68 games. Right now he’s played significantly less games than Jokic but the odds are still in embiids favor to win MVP.

And I’m sorry but Embiid is probably the only player in the league that warrants a usage rate as high as his own. He scores more than a POINT PER MINUTE. When Jokic or SGA can score at that type of level get back to be about the usage argument.

You can say “it’s as simple as that” all you want but Embiid has been significantly better than Jokic and Sga this season. So far this season he’s beaten the Nuggets, the Celtics, the Timberwolves and the Thunder all of these teams have a top 7 record in the league. I also find it ridiculous that you knock him for playing teams that are on the schedule, what do you want him to do? Rest when the Sixers play a crap team? Why? Doesn’t make any sense especially when Jokic and SGA suit up to play crap teams as well.

But bottom line is your wrong and your gonna be in for a big surprise when Embiid plays 65 games and easily wins MVP over guys playing 10+ games more than Embiid.

he should've? says who, you?
if it were up to u he'd be winning his 4th in a row this season lol

as usual, you completely ignored everthing I said
my point wasn't that he's "worthy" (or not) to 40% usage, but simply that his body couldn't handle 40% usage over 75 games and it's unfair comparing guys that do have to actually suit up night in and night out to a part-time player

fwiw, Embiid blatant stat padding, force feeding and foul baiting is gonna come back to haunt the 76ers in the playoffs, as per usual. 40% usage is way too reliant on Embiid. it's nice when he can do that for 3 quarters against Charlotte and then rest, but in the playoffs that's not an option and when suddenly all those jumpers are short because he's gassed - the team would be stuck cuz they barely practiced playing differently

Jokic spent all of last season (when he finally got Murray and MPJ back) to incorporate everyone. it hurt his raw stats (alot) and it even cost the Nuggets some losses, losses that they probably wouldn't have lost if Jokic were to go to 40% usage and "playoff mode" but it paid dividends in the end

Embiid is using up all the possesions because he wants personal accolades but in the end, since he can't play like that throughout a grueling post season, night in and night out - this team might struggle to adjust, when it matters the most

as for the top teams mentioned, Philly beat most of those team at home. Philly is a great team..Joe L is having a tremendous season, Maxey is borderline All-NBA, Harris is ballin', Batum fits like a glove and was def the missing piece for them in that dreaded "5th starter" spot and great role players all around, finally with an actual NBA coach to boot so the sky's the limit

it stands to reason they would beat even great teams at home, we'll see how they do in Denver, Boston, Minny etc in the second half of the season. even great teams like Minny \ Denver etc. are pretty middling away from home, I wouldn't get overly excited about a couple of early season regular season home wins

Embiid isn't winning playing 65 or 67 games unless he really dominates and the 76ers are the top seed etc, or if the other guys miss significant time themselves.
after last season's fiasco, voters aren't falling in that partiuclar trap again rest assured

This, the bolded part.

Regular season is just preparation for the playoffs, so success in the regular season should be evaluated in that context. His abnormal usage rate and all the stats in the regular season don't really provide that much value to his team, because they aren't sustainable in the playoffs. A few more wins and maybe a bit higher seed mean nothing when you're going to get crushed by any semi-decent opponent as your team isn't ready for the playoffs because you spent the entire regular season chasing personal stats and accolades.

[dygaction]

Yup, he also had a good coach, and co-stars who didn't shrink in adversity.

So the coach (2 of them) and co-stars are the problem? I think Doc Rivers is a bad coach, and I agree that Harden was disastrous in game 7, but Embiid was also horrible.
His PO failures are well documented, the onus is on him to remove the stench.
Believe me, my favourite team's MVP calibre player has the same problem, he had 2 1st round exits and 1 WCF run, he also missed the PO totally once, I have valid excuses for every failure, but I wouldn't put him in conversation with Jokic and Giannis until he proves it, he just doesn't deserve to be in the conversation, the same goes for Embiid.

Agreed, end of game 6 and all of game 7 he was terrible.

Eh, Luka isn't doing it in the regular season either. He'll have these spurts, and then they'll die down. Nobody is bringing it every day like Embiid is. Jokic is, but its a little different this year. Giannis is, but he's got Dame dropping 40 bombs every week. Shai was for a long time, but he's had a few blips the last week or two. This season Embiid has beaten the Thunder, the Wolves, the Nuggets, the Celtics and the Magic. All the best defensive teams in the league. Yet people are saying he's ducking.The only thing stopping Embiid from being the best player in the world (and it's a big thing, and most likely the hardest thing) is a chip. Even in his matchups with Jokic he's beating the Nuggets. He's doing everything he needs to in the regular season. It needs to translate in the playoffs though.

1. Nobody is bring it in spurts this season like Embiid, play some games, rest soem.
2. Dame had two 40+ games this season with 45 and 40; Maxey had two as well, 50 and 42. Maxey overplays Dame easily.

[scrabbarista]

Embiid isn't bringing it every day. Basically everyone other than Donovan Mitchell has an extra ten games played over Embiid.

[HotRocks34]

now ur calling for a b2b MVP to a dude that has never made it out of the 2nd rd.

This is the key point.

Last year we learned that historical precedent matters in MVP voting, in particular that historical precedent regarding postseason success or lack thereof.

The basic argument was that no player who had ever won three MVP's, or three straight MVP's, had ever done so without at least making one NBA Finals. Thus, historical precedent dictated that Jokic was ineligible for the award last season.

Similarly, historical precedent shows us that no player in NBA history has ever won a second MVP or back to back MVP's without at least making one conference final.

Based on the new standard of using postseason historical precedent in helping to determine who wins the MVP award, then, Embiid should be ineligible for this season's trophy.

Otherwise last year will look like it was merely an excuse to vote against Jokic following the Perkins drama by using the excuse of historical precedence but only applying that standard to one player and not others.

We'll see if the voters are consistent in valuing historical precedent this year, or not.

[dygaction]

Embiid isn't bringing it every day. Basically everyone other than Donovan Mitchell has an extra ten games played over Embiid.

Porzingis, Mitchell, Lively II, and Embiid played the same 31 games, ranking at tied 235 among all nba players. Kevin Love, Booker, and CP3 all played more games at 32 and you feel they have missed most of the season.

[scrabbarista]

Embiid isn't bringing it every day. Basically everyone other than Donovan Mitchell has an extra ten games played over Embiid.

Porzingis, Mitchell, Lively II, and Embiid played the same 31 games, ranking at tied 235 among all nba players. Kevin Love, Booker, and CP3 all played more games at 32 and you feel they have missed most of the season.

Hali, also, has felt absent, and he's at 34, IIRC.

[mediocrityrules]

So the coach (2 of them) and co-stars are the problem? I think Doc Rivers is a bad coach, and I agree that Harden was disastrous in game 7, but Embiid was also horrible.
His PO failures are well documented, the onus is on him to remove the stench.
Believe me, my favourite team's MVP calibre player has the same problem, he had 2 1st round exits and 1 WCF run, he also missed the PO totally once, I have valid excuses for every failure, but I wouldn't put him in conversation with Jokic and Giannis until he proves it, he just doesn't deserve to be in the conversation, the same goes for Embiid.

Agreed, end of game 6 and all of game 7 he was terrible.

Eh, Luka isn't doing it in the regular season either. He'll have these spurts, and then they'll die down. Nobody is bringing it every day like Embiid is. Jokic is, but its a little different this year. Giannis is, but he's got Dame dropping 40 bombs every week. Shai was for a long time, but he's had a few blips the last week or two. This season Embiid has beaten the Thunder, the Wolves, the Nuggets, the Celtics and the Magic. All the best defensive teams in the league. Yet people are saying he's ducking.The only thing stopping Embiid from being the best player in the world (and it's a big thing, and most likely the hardest thing) is a chip. Even in his matchups with Jokic he's beating the Nuggets. He's doing everything he needs to in the regular season. It needs to translate in the playoffs though.

1. Nobody is bring it in spurts this season like Embiid, play some games, rest soem.
2. Dame had two 40+ games this season with 45 and 40; Maxey had two as well, 50 and 42. Maxey overplays Dame easily.

A strange flex using Lillard for Giannis when Embiid has Maxey, who is averaging more ppg, and doing it at a better fg%.

[MrBigShot]

Jokic has got to be one of the most disrespected all time greats ever

[eyeatoma]

Jokic has got to be one of the most disrespected all time greats ever

You could say the same thing about Embiid as an MVP and his 3 year regular season run.

On this board Jokic is a god and Embiid is treated like dirt.
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Jokic has got to be one of the most disrespected all time greats ever

You could say the same thing about Embiid as an MVP and his 3 year regular season run.

On this board Jokic is a god and Embiid is treated like dirt.
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I remember Jokić was regarded as one of the most undeserving MVP in the history of the game before he eventually won. He had to earn it.

And so does Embiid. Now that he has an alpha sidekick, a top5 coach, hopefully he can come through and stay healthy this time