What to do with Bruce Brown

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[TorontoBarneys]

Fornier and 2 1sts

Grimes is trash

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Knicks get: Bruce Brown and Alec Burks

Pistons get: Fournier and Grimes

Raptors get: Joe Harris and 1st pick

[Psubs]

Fornier and 2 1sts

Grimes is trash

Maybe if you give back the Pistons 2nd pick.

[KrazyP]

And FWIW, I think that those who are expecting a a FRP and young pieces should lay off the drugs. We got 3 FRPs and filler contracts for our All-Star... we're not getting a FRP and a young piece for Bruce freaking Brown.

If Fournier + Grimes is on the table, you take it. He's young, cost controlled, shoots it well and plays defense. Fournier is an expiring contract and yes, Grimes takes a little away from our capspace in the summer but we weren't going to get a better player than Grimes at his current price point anyway so its really not even worth mentioning.

Or maybe we use the Brown contract to facilitate a Murray to NYK deal and both teams send us assets. There's so much that can be done.

Everyone knows what needs to be done here - let's just get it done.

Stop undervaluing our assets. Grimes has no real value. If that’s the best deal I’d rather hold onto brown. He can add some veteran stability to a rebuilding team.
If Murray is involved in a deal I’d rather him coming here.

Veteran stability to what? What Veteran stability does Brown bring at $22M that we couldn't get for the MLE or less on the open market? Lol give me a break man.

He won't be resigning at the end of this current deal and even if he did, we won't be contending for at least a couple years at BEST and that assumes everything goes according to plan - which it often doesn't. So what exactly is the point to holding onto Bruce Brown?

Why are so many committed to making the same mistake over and over? He's at the top of his value at a time where we aren't winning. Don't overthink it and don't fall in love. Trade him now while you can get some future value.

Oh and Murray to Toronto is a horrible idea. He's going to cost resources that we could be using to put younger pieces around Barnes and he doesn't make us much better than we are now, if at all.

Masai re-iterated patience and that's the direction we need to be taking at this juncture.

I think the issue here is you are suggesting a trade for a package that has very little to no value. Grimes is destined to be a career journeyman, marginal rotation player with no asset value. Whats the point?

It would be better to just give Dick any minutes Grimes would get. The Raps should certainly add a legit 3&D piece to their core at some point but Grimes aint it.

The Siakam trade was god awful and shouldnt be used as a reference for anything. For a better reference, Josh Hart was traded to the Knicks last trade deadline for a 1st and a prospect (Cam Reddish). If the Raps cant get that kind of return, theres no harm in waiting until the draft and see if they can parlay Browns contract into a better deal from a team looking to shed salary.....his June 29 team option has value in itself because it would allow teams to clear immediate salary heading into the free agency offseason. And if that doesnt materalize, you could just excercise option and look to trade him next year or just let him walk and use the resulting cap flexibility elsewhere.....nobody will lose any sleep over not having Quentin Grimes.

[ash_k]

Obviously he was told he would be traded after being acquired in the trade.

The speculation about him not wanting to come to Toronto were 100% true.

Can you post the article about him not wanting to come as I just of missed that.

Because it was fiction.

[TimeForChange]

Obviously he was told he would be traded after being acquired in the trade.

The speculation about him not wanting to come to Toronto were 100% true.

Can you post the article about him not wanting to come as I just of missed that.

Because it was fiction.

I clearly said it was speculation.

You can watch the video yourself starting at 1:50.

https://www.truehoop.com/p/does-pascal-siakam-make-the-pacers

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[TorontoBarneys]

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Love it. Squeeze 'em!

[ill-Will03]

Can you post the article about him not wanting to come as I just of missed that.

Because it was fiction.

I clearly said it was speculation.

You can watch the video yourself starting at 1:50.

https://www.truehoop.com/p/does-pascal-siakam-make-the-pacers

I mean you said the speculation was 100% true lol so I don’t know if you can call that speculation anymore

[Bruin]

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“Future” first round pick likely means we’re not taking anymore of the 2024 picks. We want a 2025 or 2026 pick

[TimeForChange]

Because it was fiction.

I clearly said it was speculation.

You can watch the video yourself starting at 1:50.

https://www.truehoop.com/p/does-pascal-siakam-make-the-pacers

I mean you said the speculation was 100% true lol so I don’t know if you can call that speculation anymore

after his comments to the NYPost, what would you conclude?

[Hero_Panda]

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“Future” first round pick likely means we’re not taking anymore of the 2024 picks. We want a 2025 or 2026 pick

Does it matter? I'm sure Masai is not going to say no if a team is offering a 2024 FRP in a Bruce Brown deal.

[Bruin]

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“Future” first round pick likely means we’re not taking anymore of the 2024 picks. We want a 2025 or 2026 pick

Does it matter? I'm sure Masai is not going to say no if a team is offering a 2024 FRP in a Bruce Brown deal.

Yes it does matter. Eventually Masai might cave at the deadline but I’m sure his asking price right now is a pick after 2024

[ill-Will03]

I clearly said it was speculation.

You can watch the video yourself starting at 1:50.

https://www.truehoop.com/p/does-pascal-siakam-make-the-pacers

I mean you said the speculation was 100% true lol so I don’t know if you can call that speculation anymore

after his comments to the NYPost, what would you conclude?

I’d conclude that he’s open to whatever happens. Ofc players have their preference where they want to play, but I don’t think his comments were a trade request. If there’s a good deal for him we’ll move him, if not he’ll stay with us and play. Simple as that.

[Rapsfan07]

Stop undervaluing our assets. Grimes has no real value. If that’s the best deal I’d rather hold onto brown. He can add some veteran stability to a rebuilding team.
If Murray is involved in a deal I’d rather him coming here.

Veteran stability to what? What Veteran stability does Brown bring at $22M that we couldn't get for the MLE or less on the open market? Lol give me a break man.

He won't be resigning at the end of this current deal and even if he did, we won't be contending for at least a couple years at BEST and that assumes everything goes according to plan - which it often doesn't. So what exactly is the point to holding onto Bruce Brown?

Why are so many committed to making the same mistake over and over? He's at the top of his value at a time where we aren't winning. Don't overthink it and don't fall in love. Trade him now while you can get some future value.

Oh and Murray to Toronto is a horrible idea. He's going to cost resources that we could be using to put younger pieces around Barnes and he doesn't make us much better than we are now, if at all.

Masai re-iterated patience and that's the direction we need to be taking at this juncture.

So scottie doesnt have to be our main defender and so he can continue to learn and grow play after play.

Quality Veteran mentors are invaluable to a rebuild.

Scottie, quick and r’s future potential benefits from playing with schroder, jakob and brown.

3 future late firsts are detriments to our young cores development.

Masais gotta walk a tight rope between both perspectives.

Absolutely, I agree completely. Gotta have some vets to help lead and guide the young guys; both on and off the court.

But we're have plenty of capspace in order to add that in the summer. If we can get a valuable pick or young piece, I'd prioritize that right now.

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“Future” first round pick likely means we’re not taking anymore of the 2024 picks. We want a 2025 or 2026 pick

Knicks have fake picks from Washington and NY…they aren’t conveying anytime soon

2024 Dallas and Knicks probably aren’t desirable for raptor

Knicks 2025 or Milwaukee 2025

After that Knicks only have their own from 2026 onwards


My guess is 2026 holds little appeal as Raptors have their own and Pacers, so it’s about 2025 imo. But if Knicks trade a 2025, they lose their trade leverage for a star. Steipen rule will come into effect whereas right now they could theoretically trade 2-2024, 1-2025, 1-2026, 1-2028, 1-2030. If they trade a 2025, then they can do 1-2024 or 2025, and then 1 every other year.

[tdotrep2]

highly doubt you can get a first AND a quality player... why would a contender give up a rotation guy and a first for another rotation guy.

[TorontoRapsFan]

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“Future” first round pick likely means we’re not taking anymore of the 2024 picks. We want a 2025 or 2026 pick

Knicks have fake picks from Washington and NY…they aren’t conveying anytime soon

2024 Dallas and Knicks probably aren’t desirable for raptor

Knicks 2025 or Milwaukee 2025

After that Knicks only have their own from 2026 onwards


My guess is 2026 holds little appeal as Raptors have their own and Pacers, so it’s about 2025 imo. But if Knicks trade a 2025, they lose their trade leverage for a star. Steipen rule will come into effect whereas right now they could theoretically trade 2-2024, 1-2025, 1-2026, 1-2028, 1-2030. If they trade a 2025, then they can do 1-2024 or 2025, and then 1 every other year.

Honestly I rather take the Dallas pick than a knick 2025 pick. Chances are real good that Dallas pick'll be between 15-20.

[bballsparkin]

How is it realistic that we can get Expiring + 1st for Brown ?

For some reason, I am not sure how realistic is it.

Any team that over me this, I would jump on it.

Draft capital and cap space are currency at this point.

Hopefully the FO is seeing it that way too.

The allure of playoff revenue, hopefully.