enigmatics wrote:bwgood77 wrote:enigmatics wrote:
They didn't have Siakam for 90% of those games. Let's stop pretending it's the same Pacer team on that alone.
I'm not talking about Siakam, I'm talking about how important Haliburton is...and some guy said he ain't good. He elevates the team a ton, as the net rating demonstrates.
They did do well against the Heat, but they got hot and shot 50% from 3 on 32 attempts and 66% from the field...so a hot shooting night.
Anyway, I don't think our squad with this much star power should struggle with a team like the Pacers without Haliburton. Siakam is good but he's no Haliburton and doesn't necessarily elevate his teammates.
With Nurk's foul trouble they were effectively playing 4 on 9 against a quality team no matter how much you worship Hali.
EDIT: Actually it was 4 vs 12!
Btw since you're purposely trying to not understand me - yeah Hali was out but NOW they have Siakam to help alleviate that absence. They're deep as hell and a team that can get buckets.
I know they have Siakam now. Still doesn't have anything to do with my comment about Haliburton being a huge loss. My comment was that it would be like us missing KD (though maybe not as good, he may be considering elevation of teammates), and the response was he aint that good.
A later response was that the Pacers are 4-4 without Haliburton. We are 5-2 without KD. Does that mean he ain't that good or doesn't make us a lot better?
You're moving the goal posts. The post was about how much Haliburton helps them. Of course they shouldn't be as bad missing him with Siakam instead of Bruce Brown, but trades take adjustment time too...they lost their first game with Siakam to Portland, even with Haliburton.
Would we have still won without Haliburton? Maybe, but he would have brought a lot of shooting, leadership, assists, not many turnovers, etc.
He would have been an enormous upgrade from McConnell and Nembhard who were 5-17 from the field, no 3s, 9 assists and 5 turnovers. He averages 12.6 ast to 2.5 turnovers and 23.4 per game on elite shooting. So replace the PG play and they likely play a ton better and others probably get better shots too.