Booker vs KJ

[HeartBreakKid]

Who would the modern archetype for KJ succeeding even be? A point guard without a 3pt shot. Logic says his impact would be substantially reduced, never mind what playing modern defence would do to his oft injured body. I doubt he'd hold up well given the toll it would take.

Kevin Johnson was a career 84% ft shooter. If he was born in 1998 he almost assuredly would be a solid 3 pt shooter given how much more players practice 3s today in junior high and HS.

It's too speculative. Demar is a great midrange & FT shooter; and he still can't hit 3s.

If he is the minority, wouldn't this work against you? You can't just be like "well, I found this exception so clearly we can't estimate based on the large amount of data that says otherwise".

I'm sure there are more guys than just DeMar, but this seems to be your line of thinking, and I hope you know, this wouldn't actually stand in any type of formal analysis.

[One_and_Done]

But it's not "the exception". The reality is that over the history of the league there have been hundreds of prospects who were "just a jump shot away". For most of them that jump shot never came.

It's just too speculative to grant him a skill he never showed.

[HeartBreakKid]

But it's not "the exception". The reality is that over the history of the league there have been hundreds of prospects who were "just a jump shot away". For most of them that jump shot never came.

It's just too speculative to grant him a skill he never showed.

Well, name some. Who are the guys who shoot as well as KJ who do not have 3 point shots today?

[One_and_Done]

"Name 12"

"Name 10 more"

I don't think us listing a bunch of names is a constructive use of our time, as I don't think the general premise is in doubt. Alot of guys never develop a 3pt shot, including ones with good to great midrange games.

[HeartBreakKid]

"Name 12"

"Name 10 more"

I don't think us listing a bunch of names is a constructive use of our time, as I don't think the general premise is in doubt. Alot of guys never develop a 3pt shot, including ones with good to great midrange games.

The general premise is in doubt. And I think you know your premise is incorrect, because if what you were saying was true you wouldn't have bothered naming DeRozan. You were being selective because you knew one of the unique things about him is that he can't shoot 3s.


Give at least a few names. Actually, the amount of characters you took to type your post is substantially more than just listing names.

[One_and_Done]

Fine. Dwayne Wade. Excellent midrange game. Could never hit the 3 reliably.

Other names include I.Thomas, Jerry Brickhouse, T.Parker, and KJs own team mate Barkley.

Another interesting illustration of the point is the weird case of Jimmy Butler, who despite hitting 3s well in his epic playoff runs just can't seem to hit them consistently; because this stuff is somewhat unpredictable.

[70sFan]

Fine. Dwayne Wade. Excellent midrange game. Could never hit the 3 reliably.

Other names include I.Thomas, Jerry Brickhouse, T.Parker, and KJs own team mate Barkley.

Another interesting illustration of the point is the weird case of Jimmy Butler, who despite hitting 3s well in his epic playoff runs just can't seem to hit them consistently; because this stuff is somewhat unpredictable.

Wade wasn't an "excellent" midrange shooter. Shooting was always his weakness and even though he worked hard to expand his midrange game, he never became elite at that. His FT shooting was also subpar for a guard.

Stackhouse wasn't even a good midrange shooter.

Parker was solid, but also unspectacular and inconsistent. Same with Thomas - though we don't have data for him he never looked like an elite midrange shooter to me. Butler is a good close midrange shooter, but he doesn't have a consistent range even up to further midrange, let alone three.

Barkley wasn't a shooter at all.

You just mentioned a few players who were slightly above average, average or below average midrange shooters who also happened to be mediocre three point shooters - who would have thought?

[Hsker4Life]

Booker. Pretty easily also. And I’m a huge KJ fan and he was the reason I became a PHX fan.