Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread

[Bob8]

I watch 10-15 raptors games a year every year. He’s a good defender.

You don’t have to tell us you’re a box score watcher who knows nothing. We already knew that.

Did I write anything about you? Those personal attacks are just totally misplaced. It's normal to have different opinions in the forum. It should be normal to have normal discussion too.

If you look at Siakam's defensive stats in Nba.com, you will see that he's nothing special. If you look at his defensive raptor you will see the same and strangely enough you will see the same story in basketball-reference.com. Like I said, defensive stats are not always reliable, but the best defenders have normally pretty good defensive stats. Maybe he didn't care about playing D in Toronto, but he for sure wasn't wasn't very good in last few years.

I still didn't hear a single argument backing your claim about him being very good defender. Maybe you should put some arguments here instead of just making personal attacks on me. Thanks.

Pointing out that you’re completely incorrect isn’t a personal attack. Neither is calling you a box score watcher as you’re admitting that you don’t actually know what you’re talking about and are just looking up box scores.

In the last 3 months your 3 most prominent arguments are 1. Dereck Lively has 0 NBA skills, 2. Injuries aren’t real, and now 3. Siakam, a pretty good and versatile defender is bad because, *checks notes* Bob8 looked up a number on the internet and says it’s not good enough. You do realize OG Anunoby, a top 3 perimeter defender in the league, has a defensive rating that is only 1.2 points better than Siakam right? So no the numbers you look up don’t matter.

Before you just start spouting incorrect things on the internet and then crying when that gets called out you should try actually watching.

Do you understand that you're talking only about how I don't know anything and not about why you believe Siakam is very good defender? I'm almost certain that this forum should be to talk about basketball and not about other users. I still waiting for your first argument why Siakam is very good defender.

Nice that you brought up OG.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/defense

Btw. OG is 31st and Siakam 218th in defensive raptor.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/

[41Dirk41]

Wasted time my friend... He can't talk about basketball, he only has certainties based on sympathies.

Wizards want 2 FRPs for Kuzma

[ACMFFL]

I dont even know if I'd give up 1 single FRP for Kuz just to have the privilege of watching that chucker turnover machine in Mavs uniform.

THJ + Curry + Hardy + 2 SRP is the most I would give up for Kuz, I would hate to waste more positive assets than that on him, rather stand pat and wait next summer, anyway Kuz will not turn this team into a legit contender.

[ACMFFL]

Wizards want 2 FRPs for Kuzma

I took a look at Wiz board and they were proposing a Kuzma + Gafford for Lively + 1 FRP + filler trade
Even the whole Wiz franchise isnt worth all of that lool

[Mavrelous]

I dont even know if I'd give up 1 single FRP for Kuz just to have the privilege of watching that chucker turnover machine in Mavs uniform.

THJ + Curry + Hardy + 2 SRP is the most I would give up for Kuz, I would hate to waste more positive assets than that on him, rather stand pat and wait next summer, anyway Kuz will not turn this team into a legit contender.

I'm with you, but I'm afraid there is too much smoke, between Kuzma and Jerami Grant, I prefer Grant TBH...

[ACMFFL]

I dont even know if I'd give up 1 single FRP for Kuz just to have the privilege of watching that chucker turnover machine in Mavs uniform.

THJ + Curry + Hardy + 2 SRP is the most I would give up for Kuz, I would hate to waste more positive assets than that on him, rather stand pat and wait next summer, anyway Kuz will not turn this team into a legit contender.

I'm with you, but I'm afraid there is too much smoke, between Kuzma and Jerami Grant, I prefer Grant TBH...

Yeah I dont want either one of them but I prefer Jerami too.

How much would OKC value our 2026, 2028 picks swap? Is 2024 HOU 1st too much, right? One late 1st + two 2nds?
Cause I hate to give up 1 FRP that far out for a backup center and a questionable fit like Kuz.

DAL: Kuzma + Gafford

OKC: more favorable of 2026, 2028 DAL/OKC 1sts

WAS: Hardaway + Holmes + Curry + OKC value + 2 SRP via DAL

[Mavrelous]

I dont even know if I'd give up 1 single FRP for Kuz just to have the privilege of watching that chucker turnover machine in Mavs uniform.

THJ + Curry + Hardy + 2 SRP is the most I would give up for Kuz, I would hate to waste more positive assets than that on him, rather stand pat and wait next summer, anyway Kuz will not turn this team into a legit contender.

I'm with you, but I'm afraid there is too much smoke, between Kuzma and Jerami Grant, I prefer Grant TBH...

Yeah I dont want either one of them but I prefer Jerami too.

How much would OKC value our 2026, 2028 picks swap? Is 2024 HOU 1st too much, right? One late 1st + two 2nds?
Cause I hate to give up 1 FRP that far out for a backup center and a questionable fit like Kuz.

DAL: Kuzma + Gafford

OKC: more favorable of 2026, 2028 DAL/OKC 1sts

WAS: Hardaway + Holmes + Curry + OKC value + 2 SRP via DAL

That's a great idea, similar to what the Clippers did, trade 1 super swap and get a low 1st.

[Archx]

Btw. OG is 31st and Siakam 218th in defensive raptor.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/

Just a heads up, it says "This page is frozen as of June 14, 2023, and will no longer be updated."

And those stats are from last year, so it's not updated for this season.

[Mavrelous]

Yeah, 538 lost sponsorship and went out of business.

[41Dirk41]

I dont even know if I'd give up 1 single FRP for Kuz just to have the privilege of watching that chucker turnover machine in Mavs uniform.

THJ + Curry + Hardy + 2 SRP is the most I would give up for Kuz, I would hate to waste more positive assets than that on him, rather stand pat and wait next summer, anyway Kuz will not turn this team into a legit contender.

I'm with you, but I'm afraid there is too much smoke, between Kuzma and Jerami Grant, I prefer Grant TBH...

Yeah I dont want either one of them but I prefer Jerami too.

How much would OKC value our 2026, 2028 picks swap? Is 2024 HOU 1st too much, right? One late 1st + two 2nds?
Cause I hate to give up 1 FRP that far out for a backup center and a questionable fit like Kuz.

DAL: Kuzma + Gafford

OKC: more favorable of 2026, 2028 DAL/OKC 1sts

WAS: Hardaway + Holmes + Curry + OKC value + 2 SRP via DAL

Me too.

I think we need another kind of player...

[41Dirk41]

DFS played very bad lately, we can bring back with a couple of SRPs. He wants it for sure.

Then sign a cheap backup C (even Biyombo) and call it a day. No more illusions. Please.

[Mavrelous]

DFS played very bad lately, we can bring back with a couple of SRPs. He wants it for sure.

Then sign a cheap backup C (even Biyombo) and call it a day. No more illusions. Please.

His offense is bad, because he's not only shooting wide open 3s on the corner, but his defense has been amazing, better than Mavs days TBH...

[ACMFFL]

DFS played very bad lately, we can bring back with a couple of SRPs. He wants it for sure.

Then sign a cheap backup C (even Biyombo) and call it a day. No more illusions. Please.

His offense is bad, because he's not only shooting wide open 3s on the corner, but his defense has been amazing, better than Mavs days TBH...

In your opinion how much would DoeDoe cost? 1 late FRP + expiring? Not the rebounding big wing we need but I'll take him over Kuz without even thinking twice.

[Mavrelous]

DFS played very bad lately, we can bring back with a couple of SRPs. He wants it for sure.

Then sign a cheap backup C (even Biyombo) and call it a day. No more illusions. Please.

His offense is bad, because he's not only shooting wide open 3s on the corner, but his defense has been amazing, better than Mavs days TBH...

In your opinion how much would DoeDoe cost? 1 late FRP + expiring? Not the rebounding big wing we need but I'll take him over Kuz without even thinking twice.

They are asking for 2 1sts, he really should cost 1 lottery protected 1st, but Mavs don't have it...
He's easy plug and play player, someone will beat the Mavs to him IMO.

[ejs78]

Are people still wishing the Mavs traded for Ayton?

Started watching the 2nd half and he's caught a lob then had an offensive goaltend. He's pretty invisible on both ends a majority of the time.


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It looks like another Ben Simmons sitiation, get paid and mail it in.
I wanted him, after knowing he was this cheap I wished they traded for him and picked Whitmore.

I really was fun watching Ayton and Wood in the same game thinking not only did they dodge one bullet, but two.

[BeiBeau]

Did I write anything about you? Those personal attacks are just totally misplaced. It's normal to have different opinions in the forum. It should be normal to have normal discussion too.

If you look at Siakam's defensive stats in Nba.com, you will see that he's nothing special. If you look at his defensive raptor you will see the same and strangely enough you will see the same story in basketball-reference.com. Like I said, defensive stats are not always reliable, but the best defenders have normally pretty good defensive stats. Maybe he didn't care about playing D in Toronto, but he for sure wasn't wasn't very good in last few years.

I still didn't hear a single argument backing your claim about him being very good defender. Maybe you should put some arguments here instead of just making personal attacks on me. Thanks.

Pointing out that you’re completely incorrect isn’t a personal attack. Neither is calling you a box score watcher as you’re admitting that you don’t actually know what you’re talking about and are just looking up box scores.

In the last 3 months your 3 most prominent arguments are 1. Dereck Lively has 0 NBA skills, 2. Injuries aren’t real, and now 3. Siakam, a pretty good and versatile defender is bad because, *checks notes* Bob8 looked up a number on the internet and says it’s not good enough. You do realize OG Anunoby, a top 3 perimeter defender in the league, has a defensive rating that is only 1.2 points better than Siakam right? So no the numbers you look up don’t matter.

Before you just start spouting incorrect things on the internet and then crying when that gets called out you should try actually watching.

Do you understand that you're talking only about how I don't know anything and not about why you believe Siakam is very good defender? I'm almost certain that this forum should be to talk about basketball and not about other users. I still waiting for your first argument why Siakam is very good defender.

Nice that you brought up OG.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/defense

Btw. OG is 31st and Siakam 218th in defensive raptor.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/

Per your NBA.com link, D’Angelo Russell is better than Herb Jones and Keegan Murray. Lmao, this is what you base your opinions on? That explains everything.

If this forum is all about talking about basketball then it would be nice to have users who actually watch the games and don’t just look up numbers on the internet. It’s not my job to educate you, if you want to find out why Siakam is a good defender then turn on a raptors game, he switches well, stays in front of his man well, and has long arms to contest shots.

You keep wanting this to be some long drawn out arguments where we go round and round on various points and each of us concede on somethings. But it’s never gonna be that because looking up numbers on the internet is not the same thing as watching and learning. We’ve done that before, you’re the one who said Lively sucked because he put up 5/5 in college. And said that he had 0 skills, couldn’t set a screen, and was a terrible rebounder. And here we are 6 months later and lively has pretty good offensive skill for 19 y/o 7 footer, he sets very good screens, and the Dallas mavericks win the rebounding battle when lively is on the floor. Your looking up numbers has always been wrong and continues to be wrong.

Again it’s not my job to educate you. I’ll tell you when you’re dead wrong but I should not have to explain to you that injuries exist. And I’m not your little league coach explaining to you what a pick and roll is. Watch the games, be careful about the media you consume and you’ll figure it out eventually.

[Bob8]

Pointing out that you’re completely incorrect isn’t a personal attack. Neither is calling you a box score watcher as you’re admitting that you don’t actually know what you’re talking about and are just looking up box scores.

In the last 3 months your 3 most prominent arguments are 1. Dereck Lively has 0 NBA skills, 2. Injuries aren’t real, and now 3. Siakam, a pretty good and versatile defender is bad because, *checks notes* Bob8 looked up a number on the internet and says it’s not good enough. You do realize OG Anunoby, a top 3 perimeter defender in the league, has a defensive rating that is only 1.2 points better than Siakam right? So no the numbers you look up don’t matter.

Before you just start spouting incorrect things on the internet and then crying when that gets called out you should try actually watching.

Do you understand that you're talking only about how I don't know anything and not about why you believe Siakam is very good defender? I'm almost certain that this forum should be to talk about basketball and not about other users. I still waiting for your first argument why Siakam is very good defender.

Nice that you brought up OG.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/defense

Btw. OG is 31st and Siakam 218th in defensive raptor.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/

Per your NBA.com link, D’Angelo Russell is better than Herb Jones and Keegan Murray. Lmao, this is what you base your opinions on? That explains everything.

If this forum is all about talking about basketball then it would be nice to have users who actually watch the games and don’t just look up numbers on the internet. It’s not my job to educate you, if you want to find out why Siakam is a good defender then turn on a raptors game, he switches well, stays in front of his man well, and has long arms to contest shots.

You keep wanting this to be some long drawn out arguments where we go round and round on various points and each of us concede on somethings. But it’s never gonna be that because looking up numbers on the internet is not the same thing as watching and learning. We’ve done that before, you’re the one who said Lively sucked because he put up 5/5 in college. And said that he had 0 skills, couldn’t set a screen, and was a terrible rebounder. And here we are 6 months later and lively has pretty good offensive skill for 19 y/o 7 footer, he sets very good screens, and the Dallas mavericks win the rebounding battle when lively is on the floor. Your looking up numbers has always been wrong and continues to be wrong.

Again it’s not my job to educate you. I’ll tell you when you’re dead wrong but I should not have to explain to you that injuries exist. And I’m not your little league coach explaining to you what a pick and roll is. Watch the games, be careful about the media you consume and you’ll figure it out eventually.

I didn't know that we're talking about Lively?

So 0 arguments about Siakam again.

Yes, we're not here to educate anyone, we're here to discuss the basketball, but for that you need arguments, you produced 0 arguments about Siakam. On the other hand you're very keen to talk about my nonexistent basketball knowledge.

On Nba.com you have multiple advanced defensive stats, which all say the same about Siakam.

If you don't have anything to say about Siakam, you don't need to reply.

Btw. I'm 99.9% sure that I have played a lot more basketball than you.

[tleikheen]

The "lets wait another year guys" act as if Luka and Kyrie , out there busting their a$$es off to win games doesn't matter because another 19 yr old will be available in the draft next yr.
The win now players and players 6'8" or taller that are available that fit Mark Cuban's stated needs ( “If we can get a big who can also create off the dribble, that’d be a plus,” Cuban said. “Six-eight or bigger.”) starts with (Kuzma, 28, is 6-foot-9 and averaging 21.9 PPG, 6.4 RPG and 4.2 APG in 41 games (31.2 MPG) this season for the Wizards.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/report-mavericks-have-interest-in-wizards-star/ar-BB1h2NhV

The same guys that didnt want Kyrie Irving last year and thought Dante Exum would be an end of the bench player are the same guys saying Kyle Kuzma is empty stats ,how stupid like NBA players roll over to give players easy baskets ,all baskets are earned.
Having a 6'9"guy that gets his baskets going down hill and can create for himself and his team mates is Kyle Kuzma . I think everyone is open to be moved except .....Luka,Kyrie, Lively, and Exum ,4 of the starters

[41Dirk41]

DFS played very bad lately, we can bring back with a couple of SRPs. He wants it for sure.

Then sign a cheap backup C (even Biyombo) and call it a day. No more illusions. Please.

His offense is bad, because he's not only shooting wide open 3s on the corner, but his defense has been amazing, better than Mavs days TBH...

His defense has never been on discussion (even i think he is not a lockdown defender),but if he can't score 3s his trade value will decrease very soon... Thybulle is not even tradable right now for example.

Nobody will trade 2 FRPs for him, probably neither a 1 lottery pick.
Let Nets failure again

However if Royce O'Neale is cheap i I'm ok with him.

[Mavrelous]

DFS played very bad lately, we can bring back with a couple of SRPs. He wants it for sure.

Then sign a cheap backup C (even Biyombo) and call it a day. No more illusions. Please.

His offense is bad, because he's not only shooting wide open 3s on the corner, but his defense has been amazing, better than Mavs days TBH...

His defense has never been on discussion (even i think he is not a lockdown defender),but if he can't score 3s his trade value will decrease very soon... Thybulle is not even tradable right now for example.

Nobody will trade 2 FRPs for him, probably neither a 1 lottery pick.
Let Nets failure again

However if Royce O'Neale is cheap i I'm ok with him.

Posturing by the FO, Mavs tried to trade him for a single 1st and couldn't, the market is better now, but he's either getting 2 really bad 1sts or just one meddling 1st.