Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0

[drsd]

I don't think anyone (being realistic) is just casually shifting Suggs to the PG slot to solve our problems. Franz is a far better PG than Suggs - but also not a PG. It's a convenient solution in our minds - but not a realistic one.

The more I think about this, the more trading Fultz with Okeke and a bucket of picks for SImons makes sense for Orlando. The practical reality of that is that Suggs wiuld be the defender of the opponents better scoring guard in any given game, and that Banchero and F-Wagner are the point forwards (plural). I think this works and works well.


Suggs/Anthony/Black
Simons/G-Harris/Houstan
F-Wagner/Ingles
Banchero/Isaac
Carter/M-Wagner/Bitadze

I love that roster and I love that starting five. EC Semi-finals of this year's playoffs here we come!


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[JRoy]

POR doesn’t want either Fultz or Okeke so what picks do you mean?

[Knightro]

POR doesn’t want either Fultz or Okeke so what picks do you mean?

I don't think Simons is a great trade target for the Magic at this point anymore. The Magic aren't going to give up the young players the Blazers would want, nor are they willing to part with the caliber of picks Portland would want either.

I think Brogdon, and please correct me if I'm wrong on this, could be had for much less and would be a much more realistic target now.

[JRoy]

POR doesn’t want either Fultz or Okeke so what picks do you mean?

I don't think Simons is a great trade target for the Magic at this point anymore. The Magic aren't going to give up the young players the Blazers would want, nor are they willing to part with the caliber of picks Portland would want either.

I think Brogdon, and please correct me if I'm wrong on this, could be had for much less and would be a much more realistic target now.

I think either would work in ORL. Brogdon might be a better choice if ORL believes that Black will be ready to take over soon.

[djguevara114]

Magic and Nets

https://fanspo.com/nba/trades/SLVNwo2JZAGX5m

WCJ / Mo / Bitadze
Banchero / Isaac
Franz / Ingles / Whitehead
Bridges / Suggs / Houstan / Jett
Fultz / Black

[tiderulz]

POR doesn’t want either Fultz or Okeke so what picks do you mean?

I don't think Simons is a great trade target for the Magic at this point anymore. The Magic aren't going to give up the young players the Blazers would want, nor are they willing to part with the caliber of picks Portland would want either.

I think Brogdon, and please correct me if I'm wrong on this, could be had for much less and would be a much more realistic target now.

Brogdon likely requiring a 1st and dude still cannot stay healthy. already missed 9 games this year from the bench.

and personally, i do think Simons is a great trade target in what we need and are looking for. now, can we stomach the price to get him is the question. No idea what Portland wants. During the summer, i think he was more attainable. Now with Scoot having major growing pains, i think it takes a bit more to get him

[basketballRob]

What hurts Simons is his defense. He's the 2nd worst defender in the league based off EPM. If he were an average defender, I'd be willing to give decent picks.

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[Skybox]

What hurts Simons is his defense. He's the 2nd worst defender in the league based off EPM. If he were an average defender, I'd be willing to give decent picks.

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I think being on ORL, playing for Mose, with Suggs next to him...boosts his defensive ratings overnight - even if he doesn't try to...and he would, defensive effort is contagious. Cole is passable and Fultz is now considered a good defender - that's all Mose and team identity. Simons is super long and super athletic. I say he buys in...at least enough to make it not such a big issue.

Having said that, I'm warming to the idea of Murray and Suggs with Black off the bench making opposing guards miserable every night. I know people are claiming Murray is not the defender he once was. I believe playing next to Trae doesn't exactly inspire that and we know DJM has it in him. Like Simons, crazy length. Plus, Murray is more of a PG...on the downside, he's not the shooter Simons is (only a handful are)...either would make me very happy, but watching us demoralize a mentally tough MIA team last night was kind of sweet.

[Skybox]

What hurts Simons is his defense. He's the 2nd worst defender in the league based off EPM. If he were an average defender, I'd be willing to give decent picks.

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I think being on ORL, playing for Mose, with Suggs next to him...boosts his defensive ratings overnight - even if he doesn't try to...and he would, defensive effort is contagious. Cole is passable and Fultz is now considered a good defender - that's all Mose and team identity. Simons is super long and super athletic. I say he buys in...at least enough to make it not such a big issue.

Having said that, I'm warming to the idea of Murray and Suggs with Black off the bench making opposing guards miserable every night. I know people are claiming Murray is not the defender he once was. I believe playing next to Trae doesn't exactly inspire that and we know DJM has it in him. Like Simons, crazy length. Plus, Murray is more of a PG...on the downside, he's not the shooter Simons is (only a handful are)...either would make me very happy, but watching us demoralize a mentally tough MIA team last night was kind of sweet.

I would add that having a REAL elite rim-protector like Claxton behind them would compound the effect...Gobert has had massive influence on team ratings forever. Just that factor behind the front lines make the gambling, etc much more effective. There were a couple instances I noticed in the MIA game that when, by some good fortune, a guy got around Suggs...it was an easy bucket. I keep thinking Isaac might be that guy, even in limited minutes. Just rebound, switch, harass, set picks, protect the rim...that's what he does anyway.

[Skybox]

and now for something completely different...

How about we go biggggg....
POR sends Ayton and Simons
ORL sends Wendell Carter (better than Ayton at this point at 1/3 salary), Isaac, Fultz, Gary Harris (all expiring or non-guaranteed)
plus ORL 25 frp, DEN 25 frp, all of our srps forever

ORL takes on Ayton risk (he might come around with Paolo & Franz next to him or he might hate the role. Either way, his contract ends just when Paolo's max extension hits). POR frees up a ton of money (I still contend that paying Simons $25m when Sharpe & Scoot are the future is short-sighted). Harris is actually a solid rotation 3&D SG that might re-sign for a team-friendly deal. IF Isaac can stay healthy...he's a DPOY candidate. He's playing very well now- in limited minutes. Worst scenario, you waive him and clear $17m next season. I'd say his likely longevity looks a lot better than Time Lord's.

What could Mosely do with Ayton? High risk/High reward...WCJ is really good, but just good.

[Knightro]

Magic and Nets

https://fanspo.com/nba/trades/SLVNwo2JZAGX5m

WCJ / Mo / Bitadze
Banchero / Isaac
Franz / Ingles / Whitehead
Bridges / Suggs / Houstan / Jett
Fultz / Black

I mean this is great in a fantasy world. But the Nets wouldn't even consider something like this.

Soon to be 30-year-old who is signing a max deal this summer Pascal Siakam just fetched 3 first round picks.

27 year-old Mikal Bridges who still has 2.5 years left on a remarkably fair contract would cost a hell of a lot more than you have suggested.

[djguevara114]

Magic and Nets

https://fanspo.com/nba/trades/SLVNwo2JZAGX5m

WCJ / Mo / Bitadze
Banchero / Isaac
Franz / Ingles / Whitehead
Bridges / Suggs / Houstan / Jett
Fultz / Black

I mean this is great in a fantasy world. But the Nets wouldn't even consider something like this.

Soon to be 30-year-old who is signing a max deal this summer Pascal Siakam just fetched 3 first round picks.

27 year-old Mikal Bridges who still has 2.5 years left on a remarkably fair contract would cost a hell of a lot more than you have suggested.

Yea, you’re probably right, let me go back to different ideas…

[zaymon]

What hurts Simons is his defense. He's the 2nd worst defender in the league based off EPM. If he were an average defender, I'd be willing to give decent picks.

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I think being on ORL, playing for Mose, with Suggs next to him...boosts his defensive ratings overnight - even if he doesn't try to...and he would, defensive effort is contagious. Cole is passable and Fultz is now considered a good defender - that's all Mose and team identity. Simons is super long and super athletic. I say he buys in...at least enough to make it not such a big issue.

Having said that, I'm warming to the idea of Murray and Suggs with Black off the bench making opposing guards miserable every night. I know people are claiming Murray is not the defender he once was. I believe playing next to Trae doesn't exactly inspire that and we know DJM has it in him. Like Simons, crazy length. Plus, Murray is more of a PG...on the downside, he's not the shooter Simons is (only a handful are)...either would make me very happy, but watching us demoralize a mentally tough MIA team last night was kind of sweet.

Simons will get played off the floor in the playoffs. Teams will attack him again, and again, and again. Similar to what they do with Anthony but Cole is MUCH better defender. On offense we would play with two shooting guards. Even Kawhi and George needed a good point guard.

[Knightro]

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[penny_nz]

Saw something on Facebook about a possible Murray to Lakers trade and looking to get a 3rd.team to take Dlo, any interest there?

[BadMofoPimp]

What hurts Simons is his defense. He's the 2nd worst defender in the league based off EPM. If he were an average defender, I'd be willing to give decent picks.

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May as well start Cole!

[BadMofoPimp]

Saw something on Facebook about a possible Murray to Lakers trade and looking to get a 3rd.team to take Dlo, any interest there?

Rather the Magic trade for Murray.

[JRoy]

What hurts Simons is his defense. He's the 2nd worst defender in the league based off EPM. If he were an average defender, I'd be willing to give decent picks.

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If he were average defensively, he would be an all star. Well, maybe not an all star, but not available for anything you would want to trade.

[Audi]

What hurts Simons is his defense. He's the 2nd worst defender in the league based off EPM. If he were an average defender, I'd be willing to give decent picks.

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If he were average defensively, he would be an all star. Well, maybe not an all star, but not available for anything you would want to trade.

Could it be that he's a mediocre defender (not really as bad as he's ranked now) but being asked to carry so much of an offensive load that he's gassed and not committed on the defensive end? He wouldn't really be the same role in ORL that he is in PDX, so I'm curious about that.

[Skybox]

What hurts Simons is his defense. He's the 2nd worst defender in the league based off EPM. If he were an average defender, I'd be willing to give decent picks.

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If he were average defensively, he would be an all star. Well, maybe not an all star, but not available for anything you would want to trade.

Could it be that he's a mediocre defender (not really as bad as he's ranked now) but being asked to carry so much of an offensive load that he's gassed and not committed on the defensive end? He wouldn't really be the same role in ORL that he is in PDX, so I'm curious about that.

Completely agree...people getting more than a little quick to bury guys w/o truly considering environment & role. "Played off the court" is a real thing when people can't shoot a free throw...athletes can learn defense and if they're completely hopeless -they don't make it to the NBA (this is also what worries me about Jett's invisibility). There are absolutely elite defenders and then there are other guys (like JJ Reddick, for example) who catch a lot of crap based on a false narrative-but are actually just fine in a solid scheme.

I think it's a safer bet that Simons can learn to play well enough (if he already isn't) to not get "played off the court" than to simply project that Anthony Black will be a solid offensive player. Half of the board is ready to go with guys and simply teach them how to shoot-which is not a great bet historically (not singling out AB-just the concept that we're happy to call him and Suggs great shooters based on a very small sample)...btw, I think, if you really look, Simons is an ELITE 3pt shooter - it's freaking quick and effortless, even from 4 feet behind the line. Spot up, pull ups, rolling off of picks - he's special...and, he'll cross you up and dunk on your head the next time down.

having said all of that, Murray IS an elite defender already and a very capable scorer too.