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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#561 » by djsunyc » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:50 pm

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dagger wrote:With all of these Brown Brown rumours except perhaps the Knicks with the Fournier contract, the teams most interested have the least to offer in terms of picks or prospects as well as short-term money. I mean what are the Lakers going to offer? Max Christie's contract would require a cap clogger like Hashimura, and they aren't going to send Austin Reaves. The Nuggets? The have a couple of young players, butto make the money work they would have to include Caldwell-Pope, which they won't. This repeats itself over and over as you scan the list of interested teams. Miami? They have a good expiring in Kyle, but aren't likely to include Jovic and certainly not Jaquez. I don't think this is going to be easy as some media think, since Masai has made it clear he wants prospects and flexibility more than picks, and the buyers lining up for Brown either have the expiring but not necessarily the right incentive, or they have the incentive player but not the short-term contracts needed to balance a deal.

For the Raptors to take on significant money that goes past next season, I'd say Masai will want more than one carrot, likely a really worthy prospect + pick that won't be near the end of the first round. Not easy to see where that will come from, since NYK wants to hang on to its first round picks to make a much bigger swing if the opportunity presents itself.


i think the optimal team is okc.


People keep suggesting OKC and the Bertans contact, but everything I've been reading is that OKC wants to take a bigger swing this summer with the Bertans contract. I don;t seem them interested in Brown, but I've wondered if Schroeder works there because he's a veteran PG with solid playoff experience and he was good in his time in OKC. He could also play a few minutes with Shai and not just back him up.


okc actually needs yak more than anyone else b/c they don't have a legit center to matchup in the playoffs but he has too many years left.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#562 » by ash_k » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:52 pm

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I do to. I was surprised at how well he moved. Does Robinson still have term? If so, I'm not a fan.

I'm surprised at how in demand Brown is
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Don't be, Denver does not win LOB without him.


You can say that about a lot of players. I get the intrigue, but still. There a lot of guys out there who can excel playing with all time greats.

True, however not in the playoffs. Lakers probably win in 6 without him. That game in Miami stood out the most, he had no business looking that good.
We have to use those last memories about him and trade him now. He could certainly choke with the Knicks jersey on.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#564 » by Rapsfan07 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:56 pm

djsunyc wrote:i still believe there's no big rush. a team may want to pick up brown's option for next year but that would hit them hard in luxury if it's a really good high cap team.

so from the bigger teams, brown will still have value in the summer and next deadline b/c he's expiring.


It would seem to me that they would want the leverage right now, no?

If a team that's in the tax trades for him in the summer, they're getting less play from him and they would have already paid tax for that year. Of course, in that scenario we're saving them future money, since they'd be sending back longer term deals in return but if they acquire him ahead of time, maybe there's an option where the team declines his option so he can resign on a longer term deal. Depending on the contract that the team acquiring him sent out, they're probably still saving quite a bit of money and retaining the player on a longer, more mutually beneficial contract.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#565 » by OakleyDokely » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:58 pm

Bruce Brown for Josh Green, Olivier-Maxence Prosper and Richaun Holmes contract.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#566 » by TorontoRapsFan » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:07 pm

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I wouldn't give up a 1st for him either, I wouldn't give up Brown & a 1st for Murphy either.

Getting Herb Jones for Murphy would be a win for us this, no need to attach a pick tho, we should probably get some draft capital


Wait, you wouldn't do Brown + FRP for Murphy?

No clue what they’re talking about. I’d give anything and anyone outside BBQ to get Murphy on this team. would probably do IQ too honestly.

Murphy is a future star. He’s not available anyways so meaningless to discuss


See Trey Murphy I can understand. My problem is Herb Jones. Ewwwwwwwww
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#567 » by TorontoRapsFan » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:09 pm

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Duncan Robinson and Jovic or 2027 1st? How would you all feel about that?


I like Jovic, I'd rather him over the 2027 1st. A Jakob Jovic C rotation is cool


I do to. I was surprised at how well he moved. Does Robinson still have term? If so, I'm not a fan.

I'm surprised at how in demand Brown is.


He has 2 more years at 19.5mil. :-?
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#568 » by gerrit4 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:12 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:Bruce Brown for Josh Green, Olivier-Maxence Prosper and Richaun Holmes contract.


That's fantastic move in my opinion. We'd probably need to waive two of Nwora, Lewis or one of our vets to make it work, unless there's another trade happening (like Boucher) that would clear up a roster spot.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#569 » by OakleyDokely » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:14 pm

Bruce Brown for Kevin Huerter, Davion Mitchell, 1st round pick
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#570 » by ash_k » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:18 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:Bruce Brown for Kevin Huerter, Davion Mitchell, 1st round pick

That would be real funny if we could pull this one off
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#571 » by mtcan » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:18 pm

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Duncan Robinson and Jovic or 2027 1st? How would you all feel about that?


I like Jovic, I'd rather him over the 2027 1st. A Jakob Jovic C rotation is cool


I do to. I was surprised at how well he moved. Does Robinson still have term? If so, I'm not a fan.

I'm surprised at how in demand Brown is.

Duncan Robinson is an expiring next season. That won't kill our cap. Can they throw in Nikola Jovic?
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#572 » by Spates » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:25 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:Bruce Brown for Josh Green, Olivier-Maxence Prosper and Richaun Holmes contract.

Too many incoming players. We'd need two more roster spots. Depending on the offers available I'd push for Grant Williams and Omax/Josh Green. It might be a big ask but he offers vocal leadership and has playoff experience and can guard bigger wings.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#573 » by Fairview4Life » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:26 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:Kevin Huerter, Davion Mitchell, 1st round pick


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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#574 » by Rapsobsessed7 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:30 pm

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OakleyDokely wrote:Bruce Brown for Josh Green, Olivier-Maxence Prosper and Richaun Holmes contract.


That's fantastic move in my opinion. We'd probably need to waive two of Nwora, Lewis or one of our vets to make it work, unless there's another trade happening (like Boucher) that would clear up a roster spot.


Just dont see the Mavs giving up size for a guard. I think the expectations of what Bruce Brown is going to return need to come down a bit.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#575 » by StopitLeo » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:30 pm

dagger wrote:With all of these Brown Brown rumours except perhaps the Knicks with the Fournier contract, the teams most interested have the least to offer in terms of picks or prospects as well as short-term money. I mean what are the Lakers going to offer? Max Christie's contract would require a cap clogger like Hashimura, and they aren't going to send Austin Reaves. The Nuggets? The have a couple of young players, butto make the money work they would have to include Caldwell-Pope, which they won't. This repeats itself over and over as you scan the list of interested teams. Miami? They have a good expiring in Kyle, but aren't likely to include Jovic and certainly not Jaquez. I don't think this is going to be easy as some media think, since Masai has made it clear he wants prospects and flexibility more than picks, and the buyers lining up for Brown either have the expiring but not necessarily the right incentive, or they have the incentive player but not the short-term contracts needed to balance a deal.

For the Raptors to take on significant money that goes past next season, I'd say Masai will want more than one carrot, likely a really worthy prospect + pick that won't be near the end of the first round. Not easy to see where that will come from, since NYK wants to hang on to its first round picks to make a much bigger swing if the opportunity presents itself.


If Toronto has any interest in Dejounte and the Lakers really want Brown:

TOR out: Brown, GTJ, SRP (DET)
TOR in: Murray, Hachimura

ATL out: Murray
ATL in: GTJ, Prince, FRP (LAL), SRP (DET)

LAL out: Hachimura, Prince, FRP (LAL)
LAL in: Brown
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#576 » by Thaddy » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:30 pm

Lowry took the Heat off his profile. They have their 2026 pick available. Lowry + 1st for Brown?
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#577 » by Dalek » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:31 pm

dagger wrote:With all of these Brown Brown rumours except perhaps the Knicks with the Fournier contract, the teams most interested have the least to offer in terms of picks or prospects as well as short-term money. I mean what are the Lakers going to offer? Max Christie's contract would require a cap clogger like Hashimura, and they aren't going to send Austin Reaves. The Nuggets? The have a couple of young players, butto make the money work they would have to include Caldwell-Pope, which they won't. This repeats itself over and over as you scan the list of interested teams. Miami? They have a good expiring in Kyle, but aren't likely to include Jovic and certainly not Jaquez. I don't think this is going to be easy as some media think, since Masai has made it clear he wants prospects and flexibility more than picks, and the buyers lining up for Brown either have the expiring but not necessarily the right incentive, or they have the incentive player but not the short-term contracts needed to balance a deal.

For the Raptors to take on significant money that goes past next season, I'd say Masai will want more than one carrot, likely a really worthy prospect + pick that won't be near the end of the first round. Not easy to see where that will come from, since NYK wants to hang on to its first round picks to make a much bigger swing if the opportunity presents itself.


I think you are right in that Masai really emphasized future flexibility as key. I do like Hachimura as a role player, but it isn't impossible to find a similar player for cheaper and no long-term commitment. Also, I agree we won't get any team's premium prospects. The far likelier is that Toronto seeks more picks rather than middling role players.

To me, a very reasonable team who might want to add Brown is Utah. They don't have a lockdown defender and they keep saying they will move on from Clarkson. He could also fit into their system well and allow them to trade Clarkson on to a team like NY.

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THT and KO can help now to fill out the bench, and Utah gets a good that can help in a playoff run. Toronto gets a 2025 pick and can avoid future salary issues.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#578 » by Rapsfan07 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:31 pm

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I wouldn't give up a 1st for him either, I wouldn't give up Brown & a 1st for Murphy either.

Getting Herb Jones for Murphy would be a win for us this, no need to attach a pick tho, we should probably get some draft capital


Wait, you wouldn't do Brown + FRP for Murphy?

No clue what they’re talking about. I’d give anything and anyone outside BBQ to get Murphy on this team. would probably do IQ too honestly.

Murphy is a future star. He’s not available anyways so meaningless to discuss


I'm not sure about future star but I do think he's going to be a very, very good player.

I doubt he's available but I might just could be talked into doing all 3 firsts for him haha. But I'm biased - I like the guy a lot.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#579 » by Dalek » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:35 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:Bruce Brown for Josh Green, Olivier-Maxence Prosper and Richaun Holmes contract.


Wasn't that the type of package we expected with Siakam? That would be a wild sell-off for Dallas and a huge overpay.

I would be a bit confused with what we plan to do with Green. We have Barrett and Dick and then Green on top of that? Not sure he has minutes. Also, have to dump Trent Jr. as well. We just have an odd surplus of guards right now.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#580 » by junot111 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:36 pm

Rapsobsessed7 wrote:
gerrit4 wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:Bruce Brown for Josh Green, Olivier-Maxence Prosper and Richaun Holmes contract.


That's fantastic move in my opinion. We'd probably need to waive two of Nwora, Lewis or one of our vets to make it work, unless there's another trade happening (like Boucher) that would clear up a roster spot.


Just dont see the Mavs giving up size for a guard. I think the expectations of what Bruce Brown is going to return need to come down a bit.

You're expecting folks who wanted Mathurin plus picks for Siakam, disappointed with the return including Brown, then expecting a haul from other teams for said disappointing return, to have reasonable expectations? Unlikely lol

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