Should Magic go after Dejounte Murray or Tyus Jones?

[tiderulz]

Getting Dejounte Murray wont require trading Suggs, there's a subset of posters who always believe we have to grossly overpay to get players.

The Hawks most important requirement is 2 1sts, so far they haven't gotten any offers as far as we know that meet that requirement

Fultz, Okeke or Harris, 2024 1st Unprotected, 2025 Den 1st could get the job done. Maybe throw in Jett if they won't budge. Maybe take Clint Capela back too, but no way in hell am I taking back Deandre Hunter and his awful contract though

These are assets going out from our end, I'm leaning towards there being a 3rd team and some of out assets going to them so they can send a more appropriate win-now player to the Hawks

That's a great deal for the Magic. For ATL, if they are willing to trade their starting C and PG/SG for an oft-injured SG, oft-injured PG with a seemingly broken jump shot and a seldom used wing player... all the for the sake of getting 2 1st rd picks potentially in the 20's... COOL!

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Remind us what it took for Atlanta to land Dejounte Murray a year and a half ago?

its like driving a new car off the lot, you never get the same value back.

[Residual-Heat]

I like Black, but i dont know if i would make him untouchable in a trade for Murray.

Not trading Suggs though, he's our starting shooting guard and still has a lot of potential. We'd just be filling one hole in our starting line up by creating another.

[SloNick Russia]

A career 34% three point shooter, doesn`t get to the FT line, Magic fans would love to hate him soon

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[Rainwater]

From a basketball perspective I am okay with him, I just don't dig his personality especially after the Paolo beef.

[pepe1991]

His conflict with Paolo rubbed me in wrong way.
You are established 26 years old professional player, veteran. And you have issue with teenager? Like...dude. Grow up.

[Last Guardian]

Voted NO. I'm fully aboard the AB train. Go get a better version of Gary Harris to come off the bench behind Suggs and roll with AB/Suggs/Cole/Upgraded Harris through the good times and the bad.

I'm with you on this. People tend to forget this team is still rebuilding. This is Paolo second year lol. Just let them grow together.

[tooler]

His conflict with Paolo rubbed me in wrong way.
You are established 26 years old professional player, veteran. And you have issue with teenager? Like...dude. Grow up.

Would you rather have Terry Rozier? Funny thing is he had a bad reputation years ago and now he seems like the less risky option!

[jezzerinho]

It's not just Paolo. Seems lime he was very petulant in the way he snubbed Spurs players and fans after he moved. He just has that dickish aspect to him. Some grow out of it. Some don't. Who knows?

[The-Stallion70]

I like Black, but i dont know if i would make him untouchable in a trade for Murray.

Not trading Suggs though, he's our starting shooting guard and still has a lot of potential. We'd just be filling one hole in our starting line up by creating another.

I know I'm poking the bear here but Suggs hasn't really been that great. This board treats him like he's a 25 ppg scorer but what he really is is an oft injury prone 3 and d guard whose offensive game depends heavily on his outside shot.

Murray would be the best guard the team has had in.... a long time. We shouldn't let our attachment to Suggs stop us from getting Murray.

[Skybox]

I like Black, but i dont know if i would make him untouchable in a trade for Murray.

Not trading Suggs though, he's our starting shooting guard and still has a lot of potential. We'd just be filling one hole in our starting line up by creating another.

I know I'm poking the bear here but Suggs hasn't really been that great. This board treats him like he's a 25 ppg scorer but what he really is is an oft injury prone 3 and d guard whose offensive game depends heavily on his outside shot.

Murray would be the best guard the team has had in.... a long time. We shouldn't let our attachment to Suggs stop us from getting Murray.

I think your take on Suggs is realistic...but I wouldn't include him to get Murray...just about anybody but Paolo, Franz & Suggs. I want to see Suggs & Murray demoralize opposing guards...then you get a true rim protector (Claxton) in the summer and it's just a frightening defensive prospect to face (better than MIN).

[MasterGMer]

I heard Lakers and Hawks are working on a deal looking for a third team to take DeAngelo Russell. Very likely Murray is off the board. But man, I really hope this Front Office makes a move. We are not good right now

[KillMonger]

With these same guys this problem will always be there against teams that are smart enough and can shoot. All they have to do is shut down the paint and force us to shoot. They know we don't have the personnel to outshoot teams......until we get the right guys in here it's going to be the same thing every time we face a good team

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[zaymon]

With these same guys this problem will always be there against teams that are smart enough and can shoot. All they have to do is shut down the paint and force us to shoot. They know we don't have the personnel to outshoot teams......until we get the right guys in here it's going to be the same thing every time we face a good team

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Murray doesnt solve the problem though. He is streaky, not very high volume. Thats why i prefer stop gap PG who can shoot with volume, not use many assets and then slot as a reserve in 1-2 years. Rozier, Jones, Brogdon.

[Residual-Heat]

I like Black, but i dont know if i would make him untouchable in a trade for Murray.

Not trading Suggs though, he's our starting shooting guard and still has a lot of potential. We'd just be filling one hole in our starting line up by creating another.

I know I'm poking the bear here but Suggs hasn't really been that great. This board treats him like he's a 25 ppg scorer but what he really is is an oft injury prone 3 and d guard whose offensive game depends heavily on his outside shot.

Murray would be the best guard the team has had in.... a long time. We shouldn't let our attachment to Suggs stop us from getting Murray.

Its not about attachment. I would trade Suggs in a package for a real star. He's not untouchable, but i wouldnt trade him for Murray. We have a ton of assets, and like i said we shouldnt fill one hole by opening up another one. 3 and D players are highly valued in this league, and i dont think any team targeting Murray will give up anything close to Suggs.

This team is built on defense and it wouldnt be wise to give up our best defender. Suggs has been our best shooter too and you know this team still needs shooting.

[The-Stallion70]

With these same guys this problem will always be there against teams that are smart enough and can shoot. All they have to do is shut down the paint and force us to shoot. They know we don't have the personnel to outshoot teams......until we get the right guys in here it's going to be the same thing every time we face a good team

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Murray doesnt solve the problem though. He is streaky, not very high volume. Thats why i prefer stop gap PG who can shoot with volume, not use many assets and then slot as a reserve in 1-2 years. Rozier, Jones, Brogdon.

So are you suggesting we just roll with the guys we have now? We have to try to get Paolo some help. Our offense is ranked 24th.

And don't tell me we should get Tyus Jones. If we think Cole Anthony is bad on defense wait until we see a guy whose the same size and less athletic too.

[Skybox]

I don't mind his edge at all...maybe we need that. Paolo's got a quieter version of it, but he's a fierce competitor too. I think he and Dejounte would compound each other's 'dawg' factor. Suggs is right there too.

Paolo's a young guy...he would embrace the reunion of one of his childhood heroes.

think Matt Barnes with more talent and at a position of dire need.

Then go get Claxton and terrorize the league.

[zaymon]

With these same guys this problem will always be there against teams that are smart enough and can shoot. All they have to do is shut down the paint and force us to shoot. They know we don't have the personnel to outshoot teams......until we get the right guys in here it's going to be the same thing every time we face a good team

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Murray doesnt solve the problem though. He is streaky, not very high volume. Thats why i prefer stop gap PG who can shoot with volume, not use many assets and then slot as a reserve in 1-2 years. Rozier, Jones, Brogdon.

So are you suggesting we just roll with the guys we have now? We have to try to get Paolo some help. Our offense is ranked 24th.

And don't tell me we should get Tyus Jones. If we think Cole Anthony is bad on defense wait until we see a guy whose the same size and less athletic too.

At least Jones can set the offense while Anthony drives into traffic and loses the ball. I dont think we should roll with the guys but i also dont like getting Murray. I would propably trade for Lavine depending on difference in price.

[The-Stallion70]

Murray doesnt solve the problem though. He is streaky, not very high volume. Thats why i prefer stop gap PG who can shoot with volume, not use many assets and then slot as a reserve in 1-2 years. Rozier, Jones, Brogdon.

So are you suggesting we just roll with the guys we have now? We have to try to get Paolo some help. Our offense is ranked 24th.

And don't tell me we should get Tyus Jones. If we think Cole Anthony is bad on defense wait until we see a guy whose the same size and less athletic too.

At least Jones can set the offense while Anthony drives into traffic and loses the ball. I dont think we should roll with the guys but i also dont like getting Murray. I would propably trade for Lavine depending on difference in price.

You lost credibility when you said you'd rather have Lavine over Murray.

Murray's contract is so much better than Lavine and a better player.

[Mauro Pedrosa]

Yes. 100%

[pepe1991]

So are you suggesting we just roll with the guys we have now? We have to try to get Paolo some help. Our offense is ranked 24th.

And don't tell me we should get Tyus Jones. If we think Cole Anthony is bad on defense wait until we see a guy whose the same size and less athletic too.

At least Jones can set the offense while Anthony drives into traffic and loses the ball. I dont think we should roll with the guys but i also dont like getting Murray. I would propably trade for Lavine depending on difference in price.

You lost credibility when you said you'd rather have Lavine over Murray.

Murray's contract is so much better than Lavine and a better player.

Lavine isp layer that never matured on the court.
He makes same mistakes today that he did when he was a rookie.


Lavine is just dumb and you really can't do much about it. Last year Bulls are down by 3, with 5 sec to play and guy shoots mid range jumper at expiring clock. You really can't teach player how to not be braindead.

He would be good catch& shoot option. if he ever actually learned what catch& shoot means. Instad, almost 50% of all his 3s are after dribble. Why? Well, he has some idiotic habbit to catch a ball, make one bumb off floor than shoot. Despite fact it does nothing but helps defender recover & contest.


I'm iffy on Murray, but Murray can run circles around Lavine in terms of quality.

Lavine is so damn talented in terms of "equpiment" but has BBIQ- disabled.