NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 3: Son of Daughter of MVP thread)

[AussieCeltic]

Embiid the clear front runner at the moment. It's a big gap to everyone else.

[eyeatoma]

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[scrabbarista]

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But if you include the games he missed, he's averaging about 25.

When have they ever done that in the history of the NBA?

Some of these anti-Embiid arguments are getting downright silly.

My point's pretty clear: when you play three games to everyone else's four, you'll have more in the tank when you play. That's common sense, not silliness.

[RB34]

Insane game from Embiid, he’s definitely having an all time regular season.

[Adam Stern]

But if you include the games he missed, he's averaging about 25.

When have they ever done that in the history of the NBA?

Some of these anti-Embiid arguments are getting downright silly.

My point's pretty clear: when you play three games to everyone else's four, you'll have more in the tank when you play. That's common sense, not silliness.

Again...When have they EVER done that in the history of the NBA?

[XtremeDunkz]

When have they ever done that in the history of the NBA?

Some of these anti-Embiid arguments are getting downright silly.

My point's pretty clear: when you play three games to everyone else's four, you'll have more in the tank when you play. That's common sense, not silliness.

Again...When have they EVER done that in the history of the NBA?

Not to mention this guys math then implies other players are playing 82... which they aren't lol.

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[LordCovington33]

I’m surprised nobody has mentioned Embiid’s game tonight.

[scrabbarista]

When have they ever done that in the history of the NBA?

Some of these anti-Embiid arguments are getting downright silly.

My point's pretty clear: when you play three games to everyone else's four, you'll have more in the tank when you play. That's common sense, not silliness.

Again...When have they EVER done that in the history of the NBA?

When have they ever not missed 25% of the season?

Every season.

That's my point.

[_NoMas]

‘He load manages to stay fresh’
‘He only plays against the weaker teams’
‘Stat pads’

Some serious mental gymnastics going on here. Just recognise it for what it is, an all time great talent (I won’t say player yet, will need to see some post season success), playing at the absolute highest level of the game. SGA is great, but as usual this is going to end up being a 2 horse race between two ridiculously good centres

[iggymcfrack]

My point's pretty clear: when you play three games to everyone else's four, you'll have more in the tank when you play. That's common sense, not silliness.

Again...When have they EVER done that in the history of the NBA?

Not to mention this guys math then implies other players are playing 82... which they aren't lol.

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You’re right, Jokic and SGA are only on pace to play 80 games. Big difference.

[iggymcfrack]

Sorry but That’s not how works buddy. And with all the games Embiid has missed he’s still the favorite to win MVP easily. All he needs to do is meet the bare minimum of games to sweep the MVP award.

Laugh all you want but the voters won’t overlook his PER which sits at an absolutely ridiculous 35.6

Yep 65 games will do

I like how every time I’ve mentioned PER in any context for the last 15 years I’ve gotten ridiculed every time, no matter how valid a situation it was for it, but now all of a sudden it’s the only number Embiid fans care about because it supports their guy. Never mind that Jokic still leads in BPM which is largely considered the best box composite despite playing a much tougher schedule and not getting rest days.

Embiid had a fantastic game last night and he deserves credit for that, but another big scoring game against a terrible defense isn’t going to move him into the top 2 of the MVP race. It’s still going to be Jokic and SGA until Embiid starts regularly performing in tough road games.

[eyeatoma]

Laugh all you want but the voters won’t overlook his PER which sits at an absolutely ridiculous 35.6

Yep 65 games will do

I like how every time I’ve mentioned PER in any context for the last 15 years I’ve gotten ridiculed every time, no matter how valid a situation it was for it, but now all of a sudden it’s the only number Embiid fans care about because it supports their guy. Never mind that Jokic still leads in BPM which is largely considered the best box composite despite playing a much tougher schedule and not getting rest days.

Embiid had a fantastic game last night and he deserves credit for that, but another big scoring game against a terrible defense isn’t going to move him into the top 2 of the MVP race. It’s still going to be Jokic and SGA until Embiid starts regularly performing in tough road games.

At this point you're in denial. He is the odds on favorite according to bookmarkers at this point. The reason PER is brought up is because it's historic. PER was just 1 in like 15 different stats ya'll brought up every time Jokic did something spectacular. It was nauseating always hearing about advanced stats. One of the reasons people bring it up, is because it's something apparently many on here value. But it sounds like only you guys can use it, and anyone not named Jokic can't incorporate it when discussing their impact.

[LordCovington33]

Laugh all you want but the voters won’t overlook his PER which sits at an absolutely ridiculous 35.6

Yep 65 games will do

I like how every time I’ve mentioned PER in any context for the last 15 years I’ve gotten ridiculed every time, no matter how valid a situation it was for it, but now all of a sudden it’s the only number Embiid fans care about because it supports their guy. Never mind that Jokic still leads in BPM which is largely considered the best box composite despite playing a much tougher schedule and not getting rest days.

Embiid had a fantastic game last night and he deserves credit for that, but another big scoring game against a terrible defense isn’t going to move him into the top 2 of the MVP race. It’s still going to be Jokic and SGA until Embiid starts regularly performing in tough road games.

Every advanced stat has its flaws, but doesn’t the stat favor players who get stats for things that are not traditionally associated with their position? For example, a PG’s BPM will become inflated if they get a lot of rebounds while a C’s BPM will be high for those getting lots of assists? I think it makes less sense when positions become more blurred, right?

[LordCovington33]

Laugh all you want but the voters won’t overlook his PER which sits at an absolutely ridiculous 35.6

Yep 65 games will do

I like how every time I’ve mentioned PER in any context for the last 15 years I’ve gotten ridiculed every time, no matter how valid a situation it was for it, but now all of a sudden it’s the only number Embiid fans care about because it supports their guy. Never mind that Jokic still leads in BPM which is largely considered the best box composite despite playing a much tougher schedule and not getting rest days.

Embiid had a fantastic game last night and he deserves credit for that, but another big scoring game against a terrible defense isn’t going to move him into the top 2 of the MVP race. It’s still going to be Jokic and SGA until Embiid starts regularly performing in tough road games.

At this point you're in denial. He is the odds on favortie according to bookmarkers at this point. The reason PER is brought up is because it's historic. PER was just 1 in like 15 different stats ya'll brought up every time Jokic did something spectacular. It was nauseating always here about advanced stats. One of the reason people bring it up, is because it's something apparently many on here value. But it sounds like only you guys can use it, and anyone not named Jokic can't incorporate it when discussing their impact.

Even if we use PER from last season, it was so insignificant for it to be considered a reason to choose one player over the other:
Jokic - 31.78
Embiid - 31.69

This year, the difference is massive and is more worthy of discussion.

[LordCovington33]

What annoys me a little is the scheduling of matches this year. Games against the marquee matchups should not be scheduled on the second day of a back-to-back. We played Denver, Boston and Minnesota the day after a match. They want the best taking on the best, but quality might be affected if a player is feeling fatigued. It is not a sixer problem only, but one in general.

[RB34]

What annoys me a little is the scheduling of matches this year. Games against the marquee matchups should not be scheduled on the second day of a back-to-back. We played Denver, Boston and Minnesota the day after a match. They want the best taking on the best, but quality might be affected if a player is feeling fatigued. It is not a sixer problem only, but one in general.

Agreed.

Philly has also had the benefit of some pretty soft scheduling. Remember that week plus of playing teams with three wins? Game today against the Spurs was coming off a rest day after the Hornets, Philly now has two days off before playing the Pacers who get one day off after playing Denver.

[LordCovington33]

What annoys me a little is the scheduling of matches this year. Games against the marquee matchups should not be scheduled on the second day of a back-to-back. We played Denver, Boston and Minnesota the day after a match. They want the best taking on the best, but quality might be affected if a player is feeling fatigued. It is not a sixer problem only, but one in general.

Agreed.

Philly has also had the benefit of some pretty soft scheduling. Remember that week plus of playing teams with three wins? Game today against the Spurs was coming off a rest day after the Hornets, Philly now has two days off before playing the Pacers who get one day off after playing Denver.

The remaining strength of schedule for Denver and Philadelphia is almost identical. Boston has an easier stretch though.

My gripe is not so much about the sixers, but having a key matchup for any team the day after another match. The fans prefer matches where both teams are a little fresher.

[Slacktard]

What annoys me a little is the scheduling of matches this year. Games against the marquee matchups should not be scheduled on the second day of a back-to-back. We played Denver, Boston and Minnesota the day after a match. They want the best taking on the best, but quality might be affected if a player is feeling fatigued. It is not a sixer problem only, but one in general.

Agreed.

Philly has also had the benefit of some pretty soft scheduling. Remember that week plus of playing teams with three wins? Game today against the Spurs was coming off a rest day after the Hornets, Philly now has two days off before playing the Pacers who get one day off after playing Denver.

It all evens out. Philly just played 5 games in 8 days including two back to backs with the Nuggets as one of those second back to backs.

BTW, A Celtics fan shouldn't be using rest days to attack another team.

The Celtics have a league-high 16 rest-advantage games, including seven against the other seven Eastern Conference teams that made the playoffs last season (none against Milwaukee, but two against Atlanta). They have more rest-disadvantage games (11) than the league average (10.3), but are still one of four teams with a league-high differential of plus-5.

In terms of that weak opponent stretch.. Coming soon

From Feb. 12 to March 29, the Sixers will play 19 of 22 games against teams that had winning records last season. That stretch starts and ends in Cleveland, and it includes three games each against the Cavs and Knicks.

[Eyeamok]

But if you include the games he missed, he's averaging about 25.

When have they ever done that in the history of the NBA?

Some of these anti-Embiid arguments are getting downright silly.

My point's pretty clear: when you play three games to everyone else's four, you'll have more in the tank when you play. That's common sense, not silliness.

If you play more games than someone else then aren't you going to be better than the person that plays less games? And let's take into effect that these are NBA players who are getting the best coach and possible. Not just some random player walking out onto a basketball court and playing. The person that plays less games may be "fresher" but he has more rust from missing games. And he can't practice as much as the guy that stays injury free. And as I've heard before as good as doing reps and drills are nothing can take the place of actually playing in an NBA game against NBA athletes going full force.

So if Embiid is able to take off time, due to injuries, and still come back and put up MVP type numbers doesn't that mean he's a hell of a player?

[Eyeamok]

Again...When have they EVER done that in the history of the NBA?

Not to mention this guys math then implies other players are playing 82... which they aren't lol.

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You’re right, Jokic and SGA are only on pace to play 80 games. Big difference.

If SGA and Jokic play more games than Embiid but Embiid wins the MVP, your gripe is with Adam Silver and not Embiid. Embiid doesn't make the rules he just plays the game.