Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 3.0

[MettaWorldPanda]

How can anyone honestly believe the Heat don’t want Murray? Are we supposed to put the ski mask on and hold the Hawks a division rival at gun point and force them to take our deal when they probably have 5-6 teams putting in quality offers for him?

We probably have a few mystery teams putting there hats in the ring. You think Murray’s recent play is lowering his value? Hawks have no reason to trade him other than to get salary relief and get the best picks possible for a future rebuild.

You think the Heat picks are the best value they can get? Cmon man we need to refocus on what we can really get which right now Rozier is there right in our lap for a great price and most likely not being heavily bided against.

[greg4012]

Lakers deal from what is being reported is PG Jalen Hood-Schifino(20 year old 16th pick 2023 6’6 PG/SG cost controlled prospect), 2029 1st rd pick unprotected, and additional draft compensation(could be swaps and 2nd rd picks) and rerouting D’Angelo Russell to 3rd team for assets.

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Heat all in offer excluding giving Hawks long term salary

Kyle Lowry(expiring)
Nikola Jovic (27th pick 2022)
2028 1st unprotected
2030 1st unrpotected
2026 2nd LAL
2027 pick swap

With these deals being relatively close and JHS being the better prospect over Jovic and Hawks most likely preference to deal him away from the conference. I just don’t see Murray coming here. Hawks are seeing if the Spurs are going to buckle and give them their picks back. Hawks getting there picks back is worth more to them then anything else cause they can pick and choose their future destiny.

Just dropping in to say Jovic >> JHS

[MettaWorldPanda]

Some in the Heat fan base gotta come up with these corny ass narratives that we are honestly not willing to trade for Murray for what they imagine is the price we are not willing to pay for him. There is just so much more at play here. Hawks willingness to deal him here, Hawks looking for the most desirable picks, Hawks looking for the best young prospect in return, the Klutch angle with Murray to LA. And we probably did want Jrue Holliday but the relationship was so soured with Cronin with Dame that was most likely not realistic either.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Murray is more expensive than Jrue. They wanted even cheaper than Jrue. What is the confusion?

Murray is cheaper and they were willing to give up the assets for a Jrue is what he’s saying

How do we know what they were willing to give up for Jrue? We didn't get him, did we?

Nope, we never do

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Lakers deal from what is being reported is PG Jalen Hood-Schifino(20 year old 16th pick 2023 6’6 PG/SG cost controlled prospect), 2029 1st rd pick unprotected, and additional draft compensation(could be swaps and 2nd rd picks) and rerouting D’Angelo Russell to 3rd team for assets.

vs

Heat all in offer excluding giving Hawks long term salary

Kyle Lowry(expiring)
Nikola Jovic (27th pick 2022)
2028 1st unprotected
2030 1st unrpotected
2026 2nd LAL
2027 pick swap

With these deals being relatively close and JHS being the better prospect over Jovic and Hawks most likely preference to deal him away from the conference. I just don’t see Murray coming here. Hawks are seeing if the Spurs are going to buckle and give them their picks back. Hawks getting there picks back is worth more to them then anything else cause they can pick and choose their future destiny.

You gotta be trolling here brotha or maybe you’re a secret agent working for Klutch

JHS holds little value; 1st the Hawks franchise cornerstone is an elite PG, why would they have want JHS who plays the same position? Second, AJ Griffin >>> JHS. 3rd, who is sending additional assets to take on DLo?

The Lakers trade package is hot garbage and easily beatable. The Heat deal you listed destroys anything the Lakers can do lol

[BBallFreak]

Murray is cheaper and they were willing to give up the assets for a Jrue is what he’s saying

How do we know what they were willing to give up for Jrue? We didn't get him, did we?

Nope, we never do

And yet we're still more successful than the vast majority of franchises in the league

[Lennyzinho]

Some in the Heat fan base gotta come up with these corny ass narratives that we are honestly not willing to trade for Murray for what they imagine is the price we are not willing to pay for him. There is just so much more at play here. Hawks willingness to deal him here, Hawks looking for the most desirable picks, Hawks looking for the best young prospect in return, the Klutch angle with Murray to LA. And we probably did want Jrue Holliday but the relationship was so soured with Cronin with Dame that was most likely not realistic either.

I think our biggest advantage at this point is that there are more sellers than buyers.

Suns and bucks have zero draft capital. Sixers have almost nothing. Knicks got OG and now are waiting on buyout market for Hayward or maybe pursuing Derozan.
Mavs dont need a PG. Feel like lakers only real competition. Let them make a move on who they want and then we try to get a bargain deal, like we did with oladipo. Wiz are sellers with tyus, raps made Bruce brown available, pacers made buddy hield available, hornets made rozier available, jazz made sexton available, hawks made DJM available, nets made Dinwiddie available (gross but anything other than Lowry please). Two more weeks to go. Plenty of time for something to happen. I just please want SOMETHING to happen.

[AirP.]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Lakers deal from what is being reported is PG Jalen Hood-Schifino(20 year old 16th pick 2023 6’6 PG/SG cost controlled prospect), 2029 1st rd pick unprotected, and additional draft compensation(could be swaps and 2nd rd picks) and rerouting D’Angelo Russell to 3rd team for assets.

vs

Heat all in offer excluding giving Hawks long term salary

Kyle Lowry(expiring)
Nikola Jovic (27th pick 2022)
2028 1st unprotected
2030 1st unrpotected
2026 2nd LAL
2027 pick swap

With these deals being relatively close and JHS being the better prospect over Jovic and Hawks most likely preference to deal him away from the conference. I just don’t see Murray coming here. Hawks are seeing if the Spurs are going to buckle and give them their picks back. Hawks getting there picks back is worth more to them then anything else cause they can pick and choose their future destiny.

You gotta be trolling here brotha or maybe you’re a secret agent working for Klutch

JHS holds little value; 1st the Hawks franchise cornerstone is an elite PG, why would they have want JHS who plays the same position? Second, AJ Griffin >>> JHS. 3rd, who is sending additional assets to take on DLo?

The Lakers trade package is hot garbage and easily beatable. The Heat deal you listed destroys anything the Lakers can do lol

Your gonna end up upset again lol. You do know that if JJJ was picked by the Lakers JHS is probably in a Heat uniform

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Yup. Unless the Hawks are going bankrupt they are not just going to give Murray away. And the notion of the Heat getting both Rozier and Murray is absurd. As if the other teams in the league wouldn’t have a say to beat some of these low ball media offers. Another player not mentioned going back to the Hawks is the 16th pick last year in Jalen Hood Schifino. Spurs are really the one team that can give the Hawks they want but if the Lakers find that third team for Russell that gets them that extra asset then Murray will be in LA.

Heres a thought send Tyler Herro & Caleb Martin to Atlanta, Get Murray and Filler back with 1 FRP,(re-route the FRP + Add 2 FRP's + Lowry to Utah for Lauri Markanen). 3 team trade between Miami, Atlanta , Utah.

End up with Murray, Duncan, Jimmy, Lauri, Bam. with JJJ as our six man.

Why is Atlanta trading for Herro when they already have Bogi and looking to shed salary?

So are you saying the 24 year old Herro isn’t an improvement or isn’t someone a team would rather have compared to the 32 year old Bogi?

You are right in this and I’m glad you’re seeing the light with Herro, he’s skilled sure but there are so many players in the league who can fill in and give you near the same production for a much smaller dollar amount and they can do this playing a role that doesn’t include holding the ball for so long each possession.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Lakers deal from what is being reported is PG Jalen Hood-Schifino(20 year old 16th pick 2023 6’6 PG/SG cost controlled prospect), 2029 1st rd pick unprotected, and additional draft compensation(could be swaps and 2nd rd picks) and rerouting D’Angelo Russell to 3rd team for assets.

vs

Heat all in offer excluding giving Hawks long term salary

Kyle Lowry(expiring)
Nikola Jovic (27th pick 2022)
2028 1st unprotected
2030 1st unrpotected
2026 2nd LAL
2027 pick swap

With these deals being relatively close and JHS being the better prospect over Jovic and Hawks most likely preference to deal him away from the conference. I just don’t see Murray coming here. Hawks are seeing if the Spurs are going to buckle and give them their picks back. Hawks getting there picks back is worth more to them then anything else cause they can pick and choose their future destiny.

You gotta be trolling here brotha or maybe you’re a secret agent working for Klutch

JHS holds little value; 1st the Hawks franchise cornerstone is an elite PG, why would they have want JHS who plays the same position? Second, AJ Griffin >>> JHS. 3rd, who is sending additional assets to take on DLo?

The Lakers trade package is hot garbage and easily beatable. The Heat deal you listed destroys anything the Lakers can do lol

Your gonna end up upset again lol. You do know that if JJJ was picked by the Lakers JHS is probably in a Heat uniform

We’ll never know but I do know that Lakers offer is terrible. I’m sorry but it is and if he ends up on the Lakers it’s due to collusion or even Klutch putting teams in a chokehold saying if you don’t send so and so here or there no Klutch client will ever play for you again. Or if someone tries to beat the lakers offer Klutch reaching out to that team and telling them the same thing. Which may or may not be happening but that Lakers deal is just bad

[3ammy3uck3ts]

How do we know what they were willing to give up for Jrue? We didn't get him, did we?

Nope, we never do

And yet we're still more successful than the vast majority of franchises in the league

Right but now (and the last 2-3 years) it’s time to take that next step to get over the top and get this current build a championship. Love our guys and have loved the chemistry and how they all lock in and play for each other and want to do nothing but win but the talent is lacking and it’s honestly amazing what Jimmy Spo and Bam have been able to accomplish despite that.

[IceColdCubano]

Nope, we never do

And yet we're still more successful than the vast majority of franchises in the league

Right but now (and the last 2-3 years) it’s time to take that next step to get over the top and get this current build a championship. Love our guys and have loved the chemistry and how they all lock in and play for each other and want to do nothing but win but the talent is lacking and it’s honestly amazing what Jimmy Spo and Bam have been able to accomplish despite that.

Heres what I think is missing from this pie, were successful as a franchise in spite of our FO decisions even when they are bad. That has to do with a lot of factors, how the organization is ran, how we expect total proffesionalism, how smart and hardworking our coaching staff/trainning staff are, how we evaluate talent specially undrafted to fill into roles otherwise hard to find. How smart our transaction officers are at finding ways out of trades or contracts were we made bad decisions on. All those things add to a very successful team outlook thats going to outwork the great majority, however talent wins in the end and theres only so much that gap closes for us at its peak.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We all want what’s best for the team! Myself personally I am going to advocate for the best available talent out there because I know this team has been very close the last 4 years to winning a championship.

Considering defense, age, contract, etc. I consider the best available to be DJM, after that is Rozier, 3rd for me is likely Sexton. I view those guys to be better than Herro with Sexton being a close matchup. This is not a knock on Herro this is just me saying there will be a hierarchy change with a new 3rd best player which is exactly what this team needs and what I’ve constantly been saying. An infusion of talent!! Would I like a new 7th best player on the roster? Sure! But we need a high level addition and that’s what we have potential for here

[MettaWorldPanda]

You gotta be trolling here brotha or maybe you’re a secret agent working for Klutch

JHS holds little value; 1st the Hawks franchise cornerstone is an elite PG, why would they have want JHS who plays the same position? Second, AJ Griffin >>> JHS. 3rd, who is sending additional assets to take on DLo?

The Lakers trade package is hot garbage and easily beatable. The Heat deal you listed destroys anything the Lakers can do lol

Your gonna end up upset again lol. You do know that if JJJ was picked by the Lakers JHS is probably in a Heat uniform

We’ll never know but I do know that Lakers offer is terrible. I’m sorry but it is and if he ends up on the Lakers it’s due to collusion or even Klutch putting teams in a chokehold saying if you don’t send so and so here or there no Klutch client will ever play for you again. Or if someone tries to beat the lakers offer Klutch reaching out to that team and telling them the same thing. Which may or may not be happening but that Lakers deal is just bad

I’ll agree it’s not great and i think we can get the Hawks an extra pick but let’s not poo poo a 20 year old PG who just came into the league who’s 6’6 with a 6’10 wingspan who hasn’t learned the ropes yet and is with an organization that has little patience for developing while we overhype our own 20 year old late first Euro prospect that your hungry to replace in the starting lineup. Like i said if JJJ gets taken one pick before you’re most likely currently overhyping JHS’s value cause he’s in our uniform. Clutchpoints Hawks fan in this write up seemed pretty eager to wanting to draft JHS saying what a great fit he would have been complimenting Murray and Young or viewed as a replacement for one of them.

https://clutchpoints.com/hawks-jalen-hood-schifino-2023-nba-draft

[greg4012]

Lakers deal from what is being reported is PG Jalen Hood-Schifino(20 year old 16th pick 2023 6’6 PG/SG cost controlled prospect), 2029 1st rd pick unprotected, and additional draft compensation(could be swaps and 2nd rd picks) and rerouting D’Angelo Russell to 3rd team for assets.

vs

Heat all in offer excluding giving Hawks long term salary

Kyle Lowry(expiring)
Nikola Jovic (27th pick 2022)
2028 1st unprotected
2030 1st unrpotected
2026 2nd LAL
2027 pick swap

With these deals being relatively close and JHS being the better prospect over Jovic and Hawks most likely preference to deal him away from the conference. I just don’t see Murray coming here. Hawks are seeing if the Spurs are going to buckle and give them their picks back. Hawks getting there picks back is worth more to them then anything else cause they can pick and choose their future destiny.

You gotta be trolling here brotha or maybe you’re a secret agent working for Klutch

JHS holds little value; 1st the Hawks franchise cornerstone is an elite PG, why would they have want JHS who plays the same position? Second, AJ Griffin >>> JHS. 3rd, who is sending additional assets to take on DLo?

The Lakers trade package is hot garbage and easily beatable. The Heat deal you listed destroys anything the Lakers can do lol

Your gonna end up upset again lol. You do know that if JJJ was picked by the Lakers JHS is probably in a Heat uniform

PODZ

[3ammy3uck3ts]

And yet we're still more successful than the vast majority of franchises in the league

Right but now (and the last 2-3 years) it’s time to take that next step to get over the top and get this current build a championship. Love our guys and have loved the chemistry and how they all lock in and play for each other and want to do nothing but win but the talent is lacking and it’s honestly amazing what Jimmy Spo and Bam have been able to accomplish despite that.

Heres what I think is missing from this pie, were successful as a franchise in spite of our FO decisions even when they are bad. That has to do with a lot of factors, how the organization is ran, how we expect total proffesionalism, how smart and hardworking our coaching staff/trainning staff are, how we evaluate talent specially undrafted to fill into roles otherwise hard to find. How smart our transaction officers are at finding ways out of trades or contracts were we made bad decisions on. All those things add to a very successful team outlook thats going to outwork the great majority, however talent wins in the end and theres only so much that gap closes for us at its peak.

Hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard like they say but when those NBA Finals get here our opponent has alot of talent and they’re busting their ass. We need to match that level of talent or at least come close and let Jimmy have his superman moment to put us over the top, that’s what the stars are for.

Were we more talented than the Bucks or Celtics? Nope. More talented than the Nuggets? Nope and they only went 6-7 deep in the finals. Point being, that hard work can win you a couple series but it’s unlikely to take you all the way when you don’t have the talent to stack up.

We have never won a championship where we weren’t the more talented team in the finals

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Your gonna end up upset again lol. You do know that if JJJ was picked by the Lakers JHS is probably in a Heat uniform

We’ll never know but I do know that Lakers offer is terrible. I’m sorry but it is and if he ends up on the Lakers it’s due to collusion or even Klutch putting teams in a chokehold saying if you don’t send so and so here or there no Klutch client will ever play for you again. Or if someone tries to beat the lakers offer Klutch reaching out to that team and telling them the same thing. Which may or may not be happening but that Lakers deal is just bad

I’ll agree it’s not great and i think we can get the Hawks an extra pick but let’s not poo poo a 20 year old PG who just came into the league who’s 6’6 with a 6’10 wingspan who hasn’t learned the ropes yet and is with an organization that has little patience for developing while we overhype our own 20 year old late first Euro prospect that your hungry to replace in the starting lineup. Like i said if JJJ gets taken one pick before you’re most likely currently overhyping JHS’s value cause he’s in our uniform. Clutchpoints Hawks fan in this write up seemed pretty eager to wanting to draft JHS saying what a great fit he would have been complimenting Murray and Young or viewed as a replacement for one of them.

https://clutchpoints.com/hawks-jalen-hood-schifino-2023-nba-draft

I think if you took Murray off the Hawks and gave them JHS he’d be the 3rd best PG on the team now and future wise. I just don’t think he does anything for them.

I’m with you on Jovic, if we were in negotiations for someone like DJM and we had 2 1sts on the table but so did someone outside of the division for example and the Hawks were like “well we prefer to send him out of our division” I’d counter without hesitation and ask if we could sway them by including Jovic as sweetener. I’m not gassing him up because he’s in a Heat jersey, he can go in any deal that improves the team without hesitation in my eyes. Hes not ready to contribute to a championship and that’s my main goal right now, time is ticking on Jimmy

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

You gotta be trolling here brotha or maybe you’re a secret agent working for Klutch

JHS holds little value; 1st the Hawks franchise cornerstone is an elite PG, why would they have want JHS who plays the same position? Second, AJ Griffin >>> JHS. 3rd, who is sending additional assets to take on DLo?

The Lakers trade package is hot garbage and easily beatable. The Heat deal you listed destroys anything the Lakers can do lol

Your gonna end up upset again lol. You do know that if JJJ was picked by the Lakers JHS is probably in a Heat uniform

PODZ

Herro and his 6’3 Wingspan and Podz with his 6’5 wingspan in the backcourt would have been fun. JHS would have been a defensive and size counter to Herro in the backcourt. Podz does have the Jack Harlow vibe so maybe it could have worked lol