Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 3.0

Post #1421 » by **DayofMourning** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:40 pm

We finally get Rozier? 10 years after the proposed Celtics trade.

Post #1422 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:40 pm

The gambling sites stay taking peoples money LOL

Post #1423 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:41 pm

Thank you Mitch Kupchak and thank you Mrs. Riley for taking one for the team.

oreon · Post #1424 » by **oreon** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:41 pm

greg4012 wrote:
oreon wrote:With the Rozier deal, I think that puts an end to the Mitchell dream. We won't have enough picks to make an offer in the summer. I would have preferred to wait and gone after him. But if FO wasn't getting any signals from Mitchell camp then its the best move not to wait for him.

Likely reality is we already didn't have enough picks if Brooklyn or NY (or a bevvy of others) were suitors.

Mitchell if he wants out (no one really knows if he does) would have had a big say on where he would go. After this season he has a year before he can opt out. He would have had massive leverage.
I think we would have been able to put a competitive package but it would have involved Herro and JJJ + picks. Maybe JJJ would have been a price too high for the FO

wade44 · Post #1425 » by **wade44** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:41 pm

I like the idea of trading 1 of Herro or Duncan for another immediate upgrade now. This Rozier deal signals a win now move from the front office and the time to act on another deal is soon with the trade deadline right around the corner

greg4012 · Post #1426 » by **greg4012** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:43 pm

oreon wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
oreon wrote:With the Rozier deal, I think that puts an end to the Mitchell dream. We won't have enough picks to make an offer in the summer. I would have preferred to wait and gone after him. But if FO wasn't getting any signals from Mitchell camp then its the best move not to wait for him.

Likely reality is we already didn't have enough picks if Brooklyn or NY (or a bevvy of others) were suitors.

Mitchell if he wants out (no one really knows if he does) would have had a big say on where he would go. After this season he has a year before he can opt out. He would have had massive leverage.
I think we would have been able to put a competitive package but it would have involved Herro and JJJ + picks. Maybe JJJ would have been a price too high for the FO

Hence the concern with NY and BKN having more picks than us.

IMO trading JJJ and Herro and all our picks would be pushing not worth it.

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #1427 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:43 pm

Read on Twitter

Hmmmmmmm; I’m happy. I wouldn’t have been against another 1st for Dejounte to be honest but either way we got my number 2 guy and he fills a massive need.

Post #1428 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:43 pm

Johnny Fontane wrote:I like the idea of trading 1 of Herro or Duncan for another immediate upgrade now. This Rozier deal signals a win now move from the front office and the time to act is soon with the trade deadline right around the corner

I think the Heat are still dancing around the salary and tax so I'm not expecting anything to get done with Herro since it would mean taking in salary which would probably end up being a lateral move but trading Duncan's contract should be able to net an expiring with a small asset attached.

Vertical Limit · Post #1429 » by **Vertical Limit** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:44 pm

The trade makes too much sense.. we upgraded by a lot.. and we didnt give up much.

Lowry was once in a package with 5-6 other players for Dame.. lowry and a first for a guy as productive as Rozier, whilst keeping all of our other talent. Thats a win

oreon · Post #1430 » by **oreon** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:44 pm

Johnny Fontane wrote:I like the idea of trading 1 of Herro or Duncan for another immediate upgrade now. This signals a win now move from the front office and the time to act is soon with the trade deadline right around the corner

We know the Arisons for any further deals they'll probably pay close attention to the luxury tax. I can see Duncan getting moved for an expiring as some have suggested. I think Herro stays this season. If he hurt again playoff time or has a poor playoff run, I can see him getting moved for a piece and also to reduce the salary commitments

RexBoyWonder · Post #1431 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:45 pm

Johnny Fontane wrote:I like the idea of trading 1 of Herro or Duncan for another immediate upgrade now. This Rozier deal signals a win now move from the front office and the time to act is soon with the trade deadline right around the corner

I'd go all in for a PF using Herro or Duncan or Martin.

I guess we didn't go for M.Bridges because that wouldv'e get done in the Rozier deal.

Still a few options out there

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #1432 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:45 pm

oreon wrote:With the Rozier deal, I think that puts an end to the Mitchell dream. We won't have enough picks to make an offer in the summer. I would have preferred to wait and gone after him. But if FO wasn't getting any signals from Mitchell camp then its the best move not to wait for him.

We have avenues, stay tuned

Post #1433 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:45 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:

Read on Twitter

Hmmmmmmm; I’m happy. I wouldn’t have been against another 1st for Dejounte to be honest but either way we got my number 2 guy and he fills a massive need.

Micky saves like 15 million in this deal in tax money. Of course he was gonna sign off quick on this Rozier deal :lol:

Now Andy has to figure out how to get out of the tax for next year with Rozier's salary taking up most of the wiggle room.

insfo · Post #1434 » by **insfo** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:47 pm

Thank you DWade!

Vertical Limit · Post #1435 » by **Vertical Limit** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:47 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:

Read on Twitter

Hmmmmmmm; I’m happy. I wouldn’t have been against another 1st for Dejounte to be honest but either way we got my number 2 guy and he fills a massive need.

Micky saves like 15 million in this deal in tax money. Of course he was gonna sign off quick on this Rozier deal Now Andy has to figure out how to get out of the tax for next year with Rozier's salary taking up most of the wiggle room.

I think atlanta wouldve asked for 2 more firsts and probably Martin plus another player for it. Dejounte is nice but not that nice.. we have a better future keeping our picks and a deeper roster not giving up a productive player

SerialChiller · Post #1436 » by **SerialChiller** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:48 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:Thank you Mitch Kupchak and thank you Mrs. Riley for taking one for the team.

that picture was legit! No wonder Riley was smiling in it.

greg4012 · Post #1437 » by **greg4012** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:48 pm

Upgraded athleticism at PG

Upgraded scoring at PG

Upgraded 3-point shooting at PG

Upgraded playmaking at PG

Upgraded paint penetration at PG (better than anyone in our guard rotation)

Upgraded pick and roll play from lead ballhandler

Allows Herro to play more off-ball (better fit)

Allows Jimmy to pick his spots and be less pressed to serve as our only source of reliable offense

Allows Bam to carry a lighter load setting up the offense and creating for himself --> more easy looks

oreon · Post #1438 » by **oreon** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:49 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:

Read on Twitter

Hmmmmmmm; I’m happy. I wouldn’t have been against another 1st for Dejounte to be honest but either way we got my number 2 guy and he fills a massive need.

Micky saves like 15 million in this deal in tax money. Of course he was gonna sign off quick on this Rozier deal Now Andy has to figure out how to get out of the tax for next year with Rozier's salary taking up most of the wiggle room.

Always watch the luxury tax with the Arisons. This one of the reasons I came around on Lebron leaving. We wasted picks to cut salary during the big 3 era when we should have been going all in no matter the costs

Bishop45 · Post #1439 » by **Bishop45** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:49 pm

I'll take it

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #1440 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:49 pm

I’d prefer to move Herro over Duncan, 1 because Duncan is the far better fit; 2 because Herro would net the better player coming back and we could still shed some expiring money in a deal with him but I actually do believe we need to hold on to Herro now because he’s necessary in a future Mitchell or star trade with us having 1 less 1st. Unless of course something too good to pass up comes up between now and the deadline