What to do with Bruce Brown

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They think NYK has more to offer compared to Lakers. A bit of an understatement haha.

Are the Knicks waiting to lose to a team that they shouldn't lose to?

[Chalky_White]

Bruce Brown and 2024 DET 2nd for Naz Reid and Shake Milton?

Too much value incoming?

Naz is really important for Minny as their back-up C so they're def not trading him while they prepare for a playoff run.

[Chalky_White]

I'm not waiting for a 2029 pick from the Lakers... I don't care how bad we think they might be. I might be dead.

With the way the world going, we all might be.

[SharoneWright]

I'm not waiting for a 2029 pick from the Lakers... I don't care how bad we think they might be. I might be dead.

With the way the world going, we all might be.

Exactly. Another Biden/Harris administration!?!? Not sure JT is helping either...

[ConSarnit]

maybe put some thought into these hypothetical trades before suggesting them. The Magic already have like 50 guards, you think they want to add more?

None of their guards can shoot. So there’s that.

ok so take an already wildly imbalanced guard heavy roster and add another guard by removing a big man? No sane GM will ever do this.

Isn’t the most egregious part that he thinks we can get WCJ, a ‘29 1st AND a swap for Bruce Brown?

We’d be lucky to get one of those assets for Brown.

[TGM]

Why people thinking Herb Jones even available. He is a defensive beast.

However, I think Brown gets moved pretty quickly. Some of the teams that want to contend probably want the help asap. The delta for them to wait till Feb 8th is not worth it. Might as well grab him now and he might influence the outcome of 4-5 games.

This is why.

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So basically they're picking Trey Murphy over Herb Jones. If this is true we should be all over that.

I think the ask for Herb will be very high. If I was Indy for example, Herb's value to me would be no less than a Jarace Walker or Mathurin.

I think Pels could easily move him for an expiring and 2 firsts. Would love him on the Raps, but moving Jakob would expose us even more defensively.

[TGM]

Okay I think the herb rumours can end. Their GM just came out saying he isn’t on the block. Herbs contract is pretty inexpensive so would be crazy to trade him given his defensive presence.

[agkagk]

Okay I think the herb rumours can end. Their GM just came out saying he isn’t on the block. Herbs contract is pretty inexpensive so would be crazy to trade him given his defensive presence.

Ya the reports make no sense unless they were trying to package herb with an undesirable contract.

The media:

“The pelicans have cap problems”

“The pelicans are looking to trade the best value contract in the league”


This was the day logic died.

[tecumseh18]

Okay I think the herb rumours can end. Their GM just came out saying he isn’t on the block. Herbs contract is pretty inexpensive so would be crazy to trade him given his defensive presence.

Ya the reports make no sense unless they were trying to package herb with an undesirable contract.

The media:

“The pelicans have cap problems”

“The pelicans are looking to trade the best value contract in the league”


This was the day logic died.

This is why I really don't get why the Hawks would trade DJM when he's on such a team-friendly contract. (unless he's an overrated cancer). I personally would trade Trae for value in a NY minute. Given Finch's comments after the game last night, maybe KAT for Trae is actually doable.

[ThatClockWork]

This board has the dumbest arguments. And yes, his quote is telling you to be patient because it will obviously take multiple years. Nothing I said was contradicted.

Lol - sir, we have something to tell you about your argument ....

You’d think after seeing the trade value of 3 OF OUR TOP 4 PLAYERS decline (hell, chuck Lowry in that pile too) over the past 3 years because we waited too long to trade them our fanbase would have a come to Jesus moment about moving guys when their value is the highest. Yet here we are, talking about holding onto a guy who expires next year on a team that is currently going nowhere. Our fanbase has the memory of a goldfish.

On the other side of asset valuation: what other teams have to offer vs what they are willing to give up.
A large section of this fanbase does not actually understand how asset valuation and leverage work. They want to make moves for the sake of making moves. You would assume that this fanbase would understand this and manage their expectations however here we are making terrible judgement calls regarding what was actually on the table for our players at any given time.

Listening to many of the takes (like the ones above) = a fast track path to becoming the Detroit Pistons. Let's not do that.

You're really terrified of the incoming rebuild, aren't you? A significant chunk of this board is still operating under the delusion that we'll be bad for a year or so before we're back in the playoffs. It's genuinely sad to see. Tough years ahead for you guys.

At least Masai understands though and has commented how the rebuild process will likely take 5-6 years.

What are you talking about? Literally?

Do you know that there was more on the table for OG and Pascal last year? If so, please share your sources. Masai indicated what was clear: the value on the table was consistent.

I am referring to holding onto Brown for now if possible to see how he fits with the pieces we have. We *are* rebuilding. Brown on his own is not enough to get us into the postseason, so again - what are you talking about? Where is my fear?

Please at least stop making sweeping assumptions in case you did not understand what I wrote lol.

Please read ConSarnit's reply - he has the right of it.

I don't read that as he intends to take 5-6 years. A normal rebuild means trading everyone away and starting anew, like the Pistons. The Raptors are starting their rebuild with 3 core guys who are 22/23/24 years old. I could see 3 years being a possibility, but I truly believe if things play out well they are back to the playoffs for 2025/2026. Play out well means: good draft picks, continued internal growth, and finding value for their cap space either via trade(s) or signing(s).

Thank you - the worst case scenario doesn't apply .. unless you sell everything off of value and expect to infuse talent solely from a weak draft. That other guy was out to lunch.

Agreed.
And I think there are three "apex mountains" (Thank you Rewatchables!) to Brown's value. The first is at this year's trade deadline, when any of the teams trying to gear up for a deep run are going to want to fortify their bench with someone like Brown. The second is at the draft, when Brown can be combined with an existing roster player and/or some picks to entice a team that is looking to move up or down in the draft and also get off some salary. The third is late June, just before the option must be exercised, when a team staring at a large Luxury Tax Bill for 2024/25 would like to grab a player with one of the largest Team Options for 2024/25 salary to lower or duck the tax.

So if Brown is here past the trade deadline, do not sweat it. There are at least two more opportunities to grab max value.

[though as I write all of this, I realize this also described Thad Young this time last year... sigh.]

Yes - this is what matters. Might make more sense to move him at the draft if the fit isn't ideal. You will have brown + picks to leverage yourself up if there is some prospect we are really high on. We have lots of leverage with Brown that does not go away after Feb 8. No need to panic trade for the sake of it.

[StopitLeo]

Okay I think the herb rumours can end. Their GM just came out saying he isn’t on the block. Herbs contract is pretty inexpensive so would be crazy to trade him given his defensive presence.

Ya the reports make no sense unless they were trying to package herb with an undesirable contract.

The media:

“The pelicans have cap problems”

“The pelicans are looking to trade the best value contract in the league”


This was the day logic died.

This is why I really don't get why the Hawks would trade DJM when he's on such a team-friendly contract. (unless he's an overrated cancer). I personally would trade Trae for value in a NY minute. Given Finch's comments after the game last night, maybe KAT for Trae is actually doable.

The Hawks gave up a lot for DJM (three 1sts and a swap) obviously thinking that he and Trae would do big things. With the two of them the team went 43-39 and 41-41, losing in the 1st round both years. They are 18-25 right now so clearly not improving.

If they want to recoup assets for the future they will get more by moving DJM because Trae is owed $43M/$46M/$49M.

I think the Raptors should take shot with DJM considering ATL is only asking for expiring and two 1sts. Worse case you can trade him to recover at least one 1st in the future given his age and contract.

[Johnny Bball]

I'm not waiting for a 2029 pick from the Lakers... I don't care how bad we think they might be. I might be dead.

With the way the world going, we all might be.

Exactly. Another Biden/Harris administration!?!? Not sure JT is helping either...

Nobody **** cares about your politics.

[Johnny Bball]

Orlando is the first place to try and send him. Adding any salary to Orlando is good for the Raptors.

[YogurtProducer]

Brown for Hachimura and Hood-Schifino works in terms of cap. I’d be down for that.

Rui sucks.

Only do it if our FO is in love with Hood

[ConSarnit]

Orlando is the first place to try and send him. Adding any salary to Orlando is good for the Raptors.

We are sort of incentivized to help ORL. Anything that might knock IND down in the standings this year is to our benefit.

[sbsat]

Brown for Hachimura and Hood-Schifino works in terms of cap. I’d be down for that.

Rui sucks.

Only do it if our FO is in love with Hood

trade for the sake of making a trade lol

[Johnny Bball]

Orlando is the first place to try and send him. Adding any salary to Orlando is good for the Raptors.

We are sort of incentivized to help ORL. Anything that might knock IND down in the standings this year is to our benefit.

anything that gives ORL less cap space in the summer also helps us.

[tecumseh18]

Bruce Brown and 2024 DET 2nd for Naz Reid and Shake Milton?

Too much value incoming?

Naz is really important for Minny as their back-up C so they're def not trading him while they prepare for a playoff run.

It's so sad, because Naz is exactly the player the Raptors need right now and going forward. I was thinking Brown for Reid and Slo-Mo. The salaries are an exact match. We clearly need more size up front. And the T-Wolves have KAT and Gobert - what do the need Reid fore

How about if we add the late first/the Detroit second? And *snicker* Jontay to be their backup C.

[ConSarnit]

Orlando is the first place to try and send him. Adding any salary to Orlando is good for the Raptors.

We are sort of incentivized to help ORL. Anything that might knock IND down in the standings this year is to our benefit.

anything that gives ORL less cap space in the summer also helps us.

Isn't Orlando primed to have an absolute boatload of cap space no matter what? Isaac and Ingles aren't guaranteed, Fultz and Harris both expire. Even if you add Brown to the mix they could still have $40m+ in space.

[Johnny Bball]

We are sort of incentivized to help ORL. Anything that might knock IND down in the standings this year is to our benefit.

anything that gives ORL less cap space in the summer also helps us.

Isn't Orlando primed to have an absolute boatload of cap space no matter what? Isaac and Ingles aren't guaranteed, Fultz and Harris both expire. Even if you add Brown to the mix they could still have $40m+ in space.

Unlesss they take on 20 plus million of UFA for some of that dead salary, I see just south of 30 when you add cap holds. But I didn't look very hard.