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Post#441 » by JayMKE » Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:50 pm

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It was exactly two weeks ago today that one of the most well-connected NBA insiders I know sent me an alarming rumble about the Milwaukee Bucks.

Heard [Terry] Stotts would be coaching the Bucks today if he was still there.

I always — always — trust this particular informant, but I have to put my hand up and admit that I struggled to believe this specific scenario (which is why I couldn’t report it just because I had heard it).

As rocky as things have been in Brewtown all season, going all the way back to Stotts’ without-warning decision to walk away from Griffin’s staff mere days before Opening Night, I couldn’t imagine circumstances that would compel the Bucks to fire Adrian Griffin less than halfway through his first season as an NBA head coach.

I was proven right … but just barely. The Bucks only waited until Game 43 to oust Griffin, despite Milwaukee’s 30-13 record, thus publicly confirming that they completely bungled last summer’s search to replace the highly successful Mike Budenholzer.

This one, though, is mostly on Giannis Antetokounmpo.

As first reported here in May — which was the first place you read it in the wake of Budenholzer’s dismissal — Griffin was the candidate who most intrigued Antetokounmpo before quickly emerging as the favorite to get the job in spite of his lack of previous NBA head coaching experience … all largely because he had Antetokounmpo’s backing.

The question then was: Why?

And: How?

Why was Antetokounmpo throwing his support behind Griffin?

How did Griffin gain that sort of endorsement from a superstar of Giannis’ stature when they had never worked together before?

League sources say now that the desire to play for Griffin is better described as a determination to play for someone other than Nick Nurse.

Nurse was among the candidates that the Bucks had high on their list after a five-game drubbing by No. 8-seeded Miami in the first round of last season’s playoffs, which led to Budenholzer’s ouster after five seasons in charge and, of course, Milwaukee’s first championship since 1971.

But sources say that Antetokounmpo wanted the Bucks to go in a different direction and thus chose to champion Griffin.

You’ve seen the instant impact that Nurse has had in Philadelphia. The 76ers entered Tuesday’s play at 29-13 — just a half-game behind the Bucks — even after trading James Harden to the LA Clippers on Halloween. The Sixers also entered Tuesday’s play ranked fourth in the league in both offense and defense … with Joel Embiid fresh off torching San Antonio for a career-high 70 points.

Milwaukee?

Desperation, as covered extensively in this cyberspace Monday, was evident with the Bucks even before they announced Tuesday afternoon that Griffin is suddenly out and that Joe Prunty has been named Milwaukee’s interim coach for the second time (Prunty, remember, replaced Jason Kidd on the Bucks’ bench during the 2017-18 season).

We wrote all about it in Monday’s around-the-league notes when explaining the Bucks’ unforeseen attempts to join the trade chase for Atlanta’s Dejounte Murray.

Milwaukee ranks a heady No. 2 in offensive rating after acquiring Damian Lillard shortly before training camp and pairing Dame Time with The Greek Freak … but the Bucks awoke Tuesday ranked an alarming No. 22 leaguewide in defensive rating. They needed to do something drastic and, let’s face it, making an abrupt coaching change — uncomfortable as it is — was a far easier move for the Bucks to make given their limited assets available to make a difference-making trade.

That desperation will now apparently manifest itself in an all-out quest to convince ESPN/ABC’s Doc Rivers to leave behind the comforts of television, after just a half-season to enjoy them, and jump back into the hot seat business.

It’s easy to say, with hindsight, that the Bucks should have hired the coach they deemed to be the best fit for the post in June rather than giving such sway to the face of the franchise. Don’t forget, though, that Milwaukee had neither traded for Lillard nor had secured Antetokounmpo’s signature on a new three-year contract extension worth nearly $190 million at the time Griffin was hired. The star’s wishes had to be heeded.

Some of you might recall, when the season began, how intrigued I was by the idea of Stotts and Prunty — both former Bucks head coaches — being named to Griffin’s initial staff. I couldn’t remember such a scenario before and have had trouble confirming any previous examples.

Barely a half-season later, with the Bucks in the midst of a 6-5 January, their coaching situation turned about five levels stranger.



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Re: Griffin fired!-Prunty interim 

Post#442 » by BigO » Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:50 pm

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Post#444 » by yannisk » Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:51 pm

For me first choice is Atkinson if obtainable, then Stotts (he was quick to evaluate Griff)

Then someone else I don't know about

then Rivers, he has underachieved in his last tenures and he will be next season coach even if he fails this year
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Re: Griffin fired!-Prunty interim 

Post#445 » by tydett » Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:51 pm

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paulpressey25 wrote:The Utah game was the real turning point.


I feel like it was the back to back losses to the Pacers, where Haliburton knew exactly how to cut us up and there was nothing in Griffin's bag to go to. It was the exact thing he was brought in to do, he had two games against the same opponent to figure it out, and both games went exactly the same way.


Hey, he tried to go to the same 2-3 zone that Bud did except it still allowed them to score so...
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Re: Griffin fired!-Prunty interim 

Post#446 » by MissKhriddleton » Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:52 pm

Just go down the list of retreads and tell them if they win the finals they can have a 5 year contract. If they don't, then they'll be in consideration for the job at the start of next season. Someone will eventually bite.
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Re: Griffin fired!-Prunty interim 

Post#447 » by aboveAverage » Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:52 pm

Was this a Horst master move? Hire Griff to appease Giannis, even though Horst knew Griff is not the right fit. Pull off the trade for Dame. Giannis is happy and signs the extension. Horst now convinces Giannis that Griffin is not the right man for the job (which he knew all along). Giannis has already committed to the Bucks long term, and Horst gets to hire a proper coach. If you get the order of those events wrong, Giannis doesn’t sign the extension.
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Re: Griffin fired!-Prunty interim 

Post#448 » by buckboy » Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:55 pm

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And you’re absolutely entitled to your opinion but I’m just not sure how anyone can get excited about firing a bad coach just to immediately turn around and hire another bad coach? That makes zero sense.


Because there are degrees of bad?


That’s worth being excited? I wanted Griffin fired just like every other Bucks fan with half a brain, I didn’t want him hired in the 1st place. I was a huge advocate for Kenny Atkinson when they named the final 3 and wanted Chris Quinn most of all if we were going to go the rookie HC route. But 1 name I never wanted to even be a possibility was Doc Rivers and for good reason, he’s an absolute **** coach. And here we are. So what’s everyone so excited about? We got it wrong twice, yay?


Again, as has been stated many times, I doubt anyone is excited for Rivers, but he's better than Griffin. I'm with you, I'd prefer Atkinson or D'Antoni, or several other guys, but today is a good day whether they hire Rivers or not. It would definitely be better if it wasn't Rivers, I agree.
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Re: Griffin fired!-Prunty interim 

Post#449 » by Matches Malone » Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:56 pm

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Re: Griffin fired!-Prunty interim 

Post#450 » by JayMKE » Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:56 pm

if you can't get excited about hiring Rivers to a multiyear deal then you don't sign him period, end of story!
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Post#451 » by aboveAverage » Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:58 pm

Of course Doc is not the ideal coach, but he’s still 10X better than Griffin. That’s the mind blowing part about how bad Griff was.

The FO probably thinks that if they just get a competent coach in who can command some respect from the veterans, they’ll be back on track. I’m skeptical, but let’s see what happens.
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Re: Griffin fired!-Prunty interim 

Post#452 » by FAH1223 » Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:58 pm

aboveAverage wrote:Was this a Horst master move? Hire Griff to appease Giannis, even though Horst knew Griff is not the right fit. Pull off the trade for Dame. Giannis is happy and signs the extension. Horst now convinces Giannis that Griffin is not the right man for the job (which he knew all along). Giannis has already committed to the Bucks long term, and Horst gets to hire a proper coach. If you get the order of those events wrong, Giannis doesn’t sign the extension.

Chess moves.

Now can Horst get a credible perimeter defending guard?
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Post#453 » by emunney » Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:58 pm

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Post#454 » by yannisk » Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:58 pm

aboveAverage wrote:Was this a Horst master move? Hire Griff to appease Giannis, even though Horst knew Griff is not the right fit. Pull off the trade for Dame. Giannis is happy and signs the extension. Horst now convinces Giannis that Griffin is not the right man for the job (which he knew all along). Giannis has already committed to the Bucks long term, and Horst gets to hire a proper coach. If you get the order of those events wrong, Giannis doesn’t sign the extension.


If Horst thought Griff was not good he would not have shortlisted him and presented him as one of the three finalists to Giannis. I doubt Giannis based his signing or not to coach Griff, he signed after the Lillard trade
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Post#455 » by raferfenix » Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:59 pm

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> This one, though, is mostly on Giannis Antetokounmpo.

> League sources say now that the desire to play for Griffin is better described as a determination to play for someone other than Nick Nurse.
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Post#456 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:00 pm

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It was exactly two weeks ago today that one of the most well-connected NBA insiders I know sent me an alarming rumble about the Milwaukee Bucks.

Heard [Terry] Stotts would be coaching the Bucks today if he was still there.

I always — always — trust this particular informant, but I have to put my hand up and admit that I struggled to believe this specific scenario (which is why I couldn’t report it just because I had heard it).

As rocky as things have been in Brewtown all season, going all the way back to Stotts’ without-warning decision to walk away from Griffin’s staff mere days before Opening Night, I couldn’t imagine circumstances that would compel the Bucks to fire Adrian Griffin less than halfway through his first season as an NBA head coach.

I was proven right … but just barely. The Bucks only waited until Game 43 to oust Griffin, despite Milwaukee’s 30-13 record, thus publicly confirming that they completely bungled last summer’s search to replace the highly successful Mike Budenholzer.

This one, though, is mostly on Giannis Antetokounmpo.

As first reported here in May — which was the first place you read it in the wake of Budenholzer’s dismissal — Griffin was the candidate who most intrigued Antetokounmpo before quickly emerging as the favorite to get the job in spite of his lack of previous NBA head coaching experience … all largely because he had Antetokounmpo’s backing.

The question then was: Why?

And: How?

Why was Antetokounmpo throwing his support behind Griffin?

How did Griffin gain that sort of endorsement from a superstar of Giannis’ stature when they had never worked together before?

League sources say now that the desire to play for Griffin is better described as a determination to play for someone other than Nick Nurse.

Nurse was among the candidates that the Bucks had high on their list after a five-game drubbing by No. 8-seeded Miami in the first round of last season’s playoffs, which led to Budenholzer’s ouster after five seasons in charge and, of course, Milwaukee’s first championship since 1971.

But sources say that Antetokounmpo wanted the Bucks to go in a different direction and thus chose to champion Griffin.

You’ve seen the instant impact that Nurse has had in Philadelphia. The 76ers entered Tuesday’s play at 29-13 — just a half-game behind the Bucks — even after trading James Harden to the LA Clippers on Halloween. The Sixers also entered Tuesday’s play ranked fourth in the league in both offense and defense … with Joel Embiid fresh off torching San Antonio for a career-high 70 points.

Milwaukee?

Desperation, as covered extensively in this cyberspace Monday, was evident with the Bucks even before they announced Tuesday afternoon that Griffin is suddenly out and that Joe Prunty has been named Milwaukee’s interim coach for the second time (Prunty, remember, replaced Jason Kidd on the Bucks’ bench during the 2017-18 season).

We wrote all about it in Monday’s around-the-league notes when explaining the Bucks’ unforeseen attempts to join the trade chase for Atlanta’s Dejounte Murray.

Milwaukee ranks a heady No. 2 in offensive rating after acquiring Damian Lillard shortly before training camp and pairing Dame Time with The Greek Freak … but the Bucks awoke Tuesday ranked an alarming No. 22 leaguewide in defensive rating. They needed to do something drastic and, let’s face it, making an abrupt coaching change — uncomfortable as it is — was a far easier move for the Bucks to make given their limited assets available to make a difference-making trade.

That desperation will now apparently manifest itself in an all-out quest to convince ESPN/ABC’s Doc Rivers to leave behind the comforts of television, after just a half-season to enjoy them, and jump back into the hot seat business.

It’s easy to say, with hindsight, that the Bucks should have hired the coach they deemed to be the best fit for the post in June rather than giving such sway to the face of the franchise. Don’t forget, though, that Milwaukee had neither traded for Lillard nor had secured Antetokounmpo’s signature on a new three-year contract extension worth nearly $190 million at the time Griffin was hired. The star’s wishes had to be heeded.

Some of you might recall, when the season began, how intrigued I was by the idea of Stotts and Prunty — both former Bucks head coaches — being named to Griffin’s initial staff. I couldn’t remember such a scenario before and have had trouble confirming any previous examples.

Barely a half-season later, with the Bucks in the midst of a 6-5 January, their coaching situation turned about five levels stranger.



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Post#457 » by JayMKE » Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:00 pm

aboveAverage wrote:Of course Doc is not the ideal coach, but he’s still 10X better than Griffin. That’s the mind blowing part about how bad Griff was.

The FO probably thinks that if they just get a competent coach in who can command some respect from the veterans, they’ll be back on track. I’m skeptical, but let’s see what happens.


Griffin was legitimately incompetent and should have never been hired, the question is how much better of a coach is he than Joe Prunty taking control of a team on the fly.
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Post#458 » by Karsenmitsche » Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:00 pm

rj_dio wrote:
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VooDoo7 wrote:We'd have the pick of the litter if we waited until the off-season to hire the new long-term coach.


I don't think whoever we hire now is going to prevent us from looking for a better long term option this offseason.


Haslam seems nutty enough to not mind paying 4 coaches at the same time.


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Post#459 » by buckboy » Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:01 pm

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It was exactly two weeks ago today that one of the most well-connected NBA insiders I know sent me an alarming rumble about the Milwaukee Bucks.

Heard [Terry] Stotts would be coaching the Bucks today if he was still there.

I always — always — trust this particular informant, but I have to put my hand up and admit that I struggled to believe this specific scenario (which is why I couldn’t report it just because I had heard it).

As rocky as things have been in Brewtown all season, going all the way back to Stotts’ without-warning decision to walk away from Griffin’s staff mere days before Opening Night, I couldn’t imagine circumstances that would compel the Bucks to fire Adrian Griffin less than halfway through his first season as an NBA head coach.

I was proven right … but just barely. The Bucks only waited until Game 43 to oust Griffin, despite Milwaukee’s 30-13 record, thus publicly confirming that they completely bungled last summer’s search to replace the highly successful Mike Budenholzer.

This one, though, is mostly on Giannis Antetokounmpo.

As first reported here in May — which was the first place you read it in the wake of Budenholzer’s dismissal — Griffin was the candidate who most intrigued Antetokounmpo before quickly emerging as the favorite to get the job in spite of his lack of previous NBA head coaching experience … all largely because he had Antetokounmpo’s backing.

The question then was: Why?

And: How?

Why was Antetokounmpo throwing his support behind Griffin?

How did Griffin gain that sort of endorsement from a superstar of Giannis’ stature when they had never worked together before?

League sources say now that the desire to play for Griffin is better described as a determination to play for someone other than Nick Nurse.

Nurse was among the candidates that the Bucks had high on their list after a five-game drubbing by No. 8-seeded Miami in the first round of last season’s playoffs, which led to Budenholzer’s ouster after five seasons in charge and, of course, Milwaukee’s first championship since 1971.

But sources say that Antetokounmpo wanted the Bucks to go in a different direction and thus chose to champion Griffin.

You’ve seen the instant impact that Nurse has had in Philadelphia. The 76ers entered Tuesday’s play at 29-13 — just a half-game behind the Bucks — even after trading James Harden to the LA Clippers on Halloween. The Sixers also entered Tuesday’s play ranked fourth in the league in both offense and defense … with Joel Embiid fresh off torching San Antonio for a career-high 70 points.

Milwaukee?

Desperation, as covered extensively in this cyberspace Monday, was evident with the Bucks even before they announced Tuesday afternoon that Griffin is suddenly out and that Joe Prunty has been named Milwaukee’s interim coach for the second time (Prunty, remember, replaced Jason Kidd on the Bucks’ bench during the 2017-18 season).

We wrote all about it in Monday’s around-the-league notes when explaining the Bucks’ unforeseen attempts to join the trade chase for Atlanta’s Dejounte Murray.

Milwaukee ranks a heady No. 2 in offensive rating after acquiring Damian Lillard shortly before training camp and pairing Dame Time with The Greek Freak … but the Bucks awoke Tuesday ranked an alarming No. 22 leaguewide in defensive rating. They needed to do something drastic and, let’s face it, making an abrupt coaching change — uncomfortable as it is — was a far easier move for the Bucks to make given their limited assets available to make a difference-making trade.

That desperation will now apparently manifest itself in an all-out quest to convince ESPN/ABC’s Doc Rivers to leave behind the comforts of television, after just a half-season to enjoy them, and jump back into the hot seat business.

It’s easy to say, with hindsight, that the Bucks should have hired the coach they deemed to be the best fit for the post in June rather than giving such sway to the face of the franchise. Don’t forget, though, that Milwaukee had neither traded for Lillard nor had secured Antetokounmpo’s signature on a new three-year contract extension worth nearly $190 million at the time Griffin was hired. The star’s wishes had to be heeded.

Some of you might recall, when the season began, how intrigued I was by the idea of Stotts and Prunty — both former Bucks head coaches — being named to Griffin’s initial staff. I couldn’t remember such a scenario before and have had trouble confirming any previous examples.

Barely a half-season later, with the Bucks in the midst of a 6-5 January, their coaching situation turned about five levels stranger.



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Would you rather have the current situation or Nurse and no Giannis extension.

This is an easy one.
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Post#460 » by MiltownMadness » Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:01 pm

raferfenix wrote:Marc Stein:

> This one, though, is mostly on Giannis Antetokounmpo.

> League sources say now that the desire to play for Griffin is better described as a determination to play for someone other than Nick Nurse.

This makes so much sense, we couldn't hire Nurse because Giannis doesn't like him for personal reasons. Maybe Giannis wanted to beat him with his understudy who he liked more as a person to prove a point. He is a bit of psycho like that

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