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El Alonzo scowl wrote:oreon wrote:Watched ESPN NBA today and they didn't even talk about the Heat trade. What's the point of the show. NBA media coverage sucks. Maybe they were pissed Shams broke it first
The solution is simple, don't watch ESPN. I cut them off years ago and don't miss them one bit.
Wiltside wrote:I'm not expecting 23 a night from Terry. We play at a slower pace and he's going to have to share the shot diet with Herro, Jimmy, Bam and others. But a more efficient 18 and perhaps some solid defense would be a welcome addition, as well as having a player who can hit the middy, pull up 3's, and get into the paint effectively.
inhabitMiami wrote:Bourne85 wrote:oreon wrote:Watched ESPN NBA today and they didn't even talk about the Heat trade. What's the point of the show. NBA media coverage sucks. Maybe they were pissed Shams broke it first
It’s not a substantial move lol. We cut salary and got a guy that takes 20 shots to get 20 points on a terrible team. Some of you are REALLY overhyping this trade up and are setting up for massive disappointment. This was a tax saving move which is why Mickey approved it in his sleep.
I'm sorry, what? Dude takes 18 shots to get 23 points at a +1.4rTS% for his position. Not only that, he's a significant upgrade at a position of need for a team that made the NBA Finals last year and the ECF the year prior. Not to mention dude has been a stable playmaker all year, near the top of the league in P&R efficiency -- and is being paired with one of the elite roll-men in the league. You would think that, since dude plays for such a **** team, his efficiency would be in the dumps -- yet it's actually pretty good. It absolutely is a significant move.
For reference, Tyler is at a -2.2rTS% for his position, yet if Tyler was traded it'd be talked about all day lol.
Bourne85 wrote:inhabitMiami wrote:Bourne85 wrote:
It’s not a substantial move lol. We cut salary and got a guy that takes 20 shots to get 20 points on a terrible team. Some of you are REALLY overhyping this trade up and are setting up for massive disappointment. This was a tax saving move which is why Mickey approved it in his sleep.
I'm sorry, what? Dude takes 18 shots to get 23 points at a +1.4rTS% for his position. Not only that, he's a significant upgrade at a position of need for a team that made the NBA Finals last year and the ECF the year prior. Not to mention dude has been a stable playmaker all year, near the top of the league in P&R efficiency -- and is being paired with one of the elite roll-men in the league. You would think that, since dude plays for such a **** team, his efficiency would be in the dumps -- yet it's actually pretty good. It absolutely is a significant move.
For reference, Tyler is at a -2.2rTS% for his position, yet if Tyler was traded it'd be talked about all day lol.
Throw out w.e numbers you want to find. The guy has never done anything. Jeremy Lin had a longer time in the spot light. If you guys think we were a Scary Terry away from a ring….then you simply can’t be reasoned with. This was a TAX saving move disguised by the FO as an upgrade lol. They literally think us Heat fans don’t know anything. “Scary Terry” “Scary Hours” and fans eat it up lol. The only reason it’s a slight positive is because Lowry was so damn bad that you could just remove him from the team entirely for No one, and it would still benefit us
inhabitMiami wrote:Wiltside wrote:I'm not expecting 23 a night from Terry. We play at a slower pace and he's going to have to share the shot diet with Herro, Jimmy, Bam and others. But a more efficient 18 and perhaps some solid defense would be a welcome addition, as well as having a player who can hit the middy, pull up 3's, and get into the paint effectively.
I don't really care about the volume. He changes the dynamic of the team. He can get it going in transition, can actually run the high p&r with Bam, can get into the paint 1 on 1, can collapse the defense, and is a difficult shot maker when the offense bogs down to bail us out. The last part reminds me of the Bubble team where we had so many guys that could hit some bull to bail us out (Olynyk, Duncan, Herro, Dragic, Jimmy).
Teams weren't even guarding Lowry. He had 0 ability to be any sort of offensive threat.
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:inhabitMiami wrote:Wiltside wrote:I'm not expecting 23 a night from Terry. We play at a slower pace and he's going to have to share the shot diet with Herro, Jimmy, Bam and others. But a more efficient 18 and perhaps some solid defense would be a welcome addition, as well as having a player who can hit the middy, pull up 3's, and get into the paint effectively.
I don't really care about the volume. He changes the dynamic of the team. He can get it going in transition, can actually run the high p&r with Bam, can get into the paint 1 on 1, can collapse the defense, and is a difficult shot maker when the offense bogs down to bail us out. The last part reminds me of the Bubble team where we had so many guys that could hit some bull to bail us out (Olynyk, Duncan, Herro, Dragic, Jimmy).
Teams weren't even guarding Lowry. He had 0 ability to be any sort of offensive threat.
I flat out want him to have Herros current usage and shot attempts which happens to be the exact usage and shot attempts Rozier had without Lamelo where he averaged 25-4-7.5, playing next to Jimmy and Bam could also increase his efficiency and increase that scoring a little more.
If we’re going to trade for someone who is now our best 3 level scorer then my view is we need to utilize him as such.
Bourne85 wrote:inhabitMiami wrote:Bourne85 wrote:
It’s not a substantial move lol. We cut salary and got a guy that takes 20 shots to get 20 points on a terrible team. Some of you are REALLY overhyping this trade up and are setting up for massive disappointment. This was a tax saving move which is why Mickey approved it in his sleep.
I'm sorry, what? Dude takes 18 shots to get 23 points at a +1.4rTS% for his position. Not only that, he's a significant upgrade at a position of need for a team that made the NBA Finals last year and the ECF the year prior. Not to mention dude has been a stable playmaker all year, near the top of the league in P&R efficiency -- and is being paired with one of the elite roll-men in the league. You would think that, since dude plays for such a **** team, his efficiency would be in the dumps -- yet it's actually pretty good. It absolutely is a significant move.
For reference, Tyler is at a -2.2rTS% for his position, yet if Tyler was traded it'd be talked about all day lol.
Throw out w.e numbers you want to find. The guy has never done anything. Jeremy Lin had a longer time in the spot light. If you guys think we were a Scary Terry away from a ring….then you simply can’t be reasoned with. This was a TAX saving move disguised by the FO as an upgrade lol. They literally think us Heat fans don’t know anything. “Scary Terry” “Scary Hours” and fans eat it up lol. The only reason it’s a slight positive is because Lowry was so damn bad that you could just remove him from the team entirely for No one, and it would still benefit us
Bourne85 wrote:Right now we are in that 4-6th range. We still need a legit all star to be added for this to change. Until then we are once again a fairy tale underdog story
inhabitMiami wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:inhabitMiami wrote:I don't really care about the volume. He changes the dynamic of the team. He can get it going in transition, can actually run the high p&r with Bam, can get into the paint 1 on 1, can collapse the defense, and is a difficult shot maker when the offense bogs down to bail us out. The last part reminds me of the Bubble team where we had so many guys that could hit some bull to bail us out (Olynyk, Duncan, Herro, Dragic, Jimmy).
Teams weren't even guarding Lowry. He had 0 ability to be any sort of offensive threat.
I flat out want him to have Herros current usage and shot attempts which happens to be the exact usage and shot attempts Rozier had without Lamelo where he averaged 25-4-7.5, playing next to Jimmy and Bam could also increase his efficiency and increase that scoring a little more.
If we’re going to trade for someone who is now our best 3 level scorer then my view is we need to utilize him as such.
I'm in agreement. We need Herro to fall into the Klay role. Hit movement/spot up threes and attack closeouts effectively. Let him run some P&R at best. Toss out the iso ****. Rozier is flat out better than him.
Rozier was near tops in the league at P&R with some bums. Dude has access to Bam illegal screens now.
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:inhabitMiami wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
I flat out want him to have Herros current usage and shot attempts which happens to be the exact usage and shot attempts Rozier had without Lamelo where he averaged 25-4-7.5, playing next to Jimmy and Bam could also increase his efficiency and increase that scoring a little more.
If we’re going to trade for someone who is now our best 3 level scorer then my view is we need to utilize him as such.
I'm in agreement. We need Herro to fall into the Klay role. Hit movement/spot up threes and attack closeouts effectively. Let him run some P&R at best. Toss out the iso ****. Rozier is flat out better than him.
Rozier was near tops in the league at P&R with some bums. Dude has access to Bam illegal screens now.
I think Herro needs to move to the bench but I think my view would change if he takes a Klay role like you said or just plays the exact style of this years Duncan. Catch and shoot/DHO 3s but also mixes in attacking and pick n roll handling duties here and there. I think his efficiency would jump
inhabitMiami wrote:Bourne85 wrote:inhabitMiami wrote:
I'm sorry, what? Dude takes 18 shots to get 23 points at a +1.4rTS% for his position. Not only that, he's a significant upgrade at a position of need for a team that made the NBA Finals last year and the ECF the year prior. Not to mention dude has been a stable playmaker all year, near the top of the league in P&R efficiency -- and is being paired with one of the elite roll-men in the league. You would think that, since dude plays for such a **** team, his efficiency would be in the dumps -- yet it's actually pretty good. It absolutely is a significant move.
For reference, Tyler is at a -2.2rTS% for his position, yet if Tyler was traded it'd be talked about all day lol.
Throw out w.e numbers you want to find. The guy has never done anything. Jeremy Lin had a longer time in the spot light. If you guys think we were a Scary Terry away from a ring….then you simply can’t be reasoned with. This was a TAX saving move disguised by the FO as an upgrade lol. They literally think us Heat fans don’t know anything. “Scary Terry” “Scary Hours” and fans eat it up lol. The only reason it’s a slight positive is because Lowry was so damn bad that you could just remove him from the team entirely for No one, and it would still benefit us
Bro, we were in the Finals last year and lost several close games. You could argue that we were a "being healthy" away from a title. So yes, I believe that replacing Kyle Lowry with Terry Rozier significantly improves a team that already made the NBA Finals.
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:I’ve never seen Bourne happy
Bourne85 wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:I’ve never seen Bourne happy
If you would’ve told me at the end of last season we were gonna trade for Scary Terry I would’ve just gave up on the season from then. This move doesn’t make me happy, nope. You guys are too easily pleased lol
greg4012 wrote:Bourne85 wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:I’ve never seen Bourne happy
If you would’ve told me at the end of last season we were gonna trade for Scary Terry I would’ve just gave up on the season from then. This move doesn’t make me happy, nope. You guys are too easily pleased lol
Then what are you doing here?
You can give up now
