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Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0

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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0 

Post#461 » by zaymon » Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:55 pm

bigdogdylan5 wrote:Ok couple points. I am not suggesting tanking. Magic need to win as many games as they can but unless you’re trading for a top 30 player I don’t think you push any chips in. Franz and Paolo need to lead us.

Why do we have to sell Banchero right now?? He ain’t leaving. He will take the max extension just like everyone else. I am sorry but there has been way too much absolving of Paolo and Franz. They are our corner stones so if they can’t take this team to the 7th or 8th seed that means they need to be better. No one wants to talk about Paolo’s horrendous advanced numbers. He is still way too inefficient and is now struggling to get to the hoop settling for mid range shots. Statistically he isn’t moving the needle on defense either. Franz has been hurt but he has had a drop in efficiency as well.

There is an argument that Banchero not playing with perfect spacing could help his development. You’re not always going to have perfect spacing you need to get better when it’s not there.


Thing is, and you also pointed it out, its hard for Paolo to improve his getting to the rim while whole opponents team and Markelle Fultz are parked there. There is no good decision. He can make contested mid range shot or not take part in the offense at all. If it costs us 2nd round pick or two why torture our two best players ? I dont see any reason. Its just stupid.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0 

Post#462 » by Skybox » Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:07 pm

DiplomaticMagic wrote:Really good trade for Miami. Hopefully we make a really good trade too.


Yes...they are predators...right now tanking teams are willing prey....take their stuff and give them picks and expirings.

WAS...Tyus is leaving-should be a simple bidding war. Gafford they'd probably keep, but maybe overpay for Tyus and get both. Kispert - no motivation to move a young solid piece, but, again, throw a big package of picks and expirings and maybe a young guy like WCJ, Jett, etc to sweeten it and grab the whole bag...all of which suit our particular needs.

CHA...Rozier was the likeliest, but, if we move WCJ, maybe we could get Nick Richards (for depth) -overpay just a bit and swap expirings to get a Hayward rental that could even lead to a re-up on a team-friendly deal. Not sure how Miles Bridges would fit - but he's a good player and he won't be there next season.

UTA...not sure what their frame of mind is but swap expirings, add a couple of srps and upgrade to Dunn and Olynyk for a playoff run...maybe keep them. Low risk.

ATL...certainly looking at a re-tool. Murray is the one - of course. They may want off of Capela...perhaps Murray/Capela together...actually maybe a better fit at both positions (for us)...they might value Black next to Trae as a fit, WCJ next to Okongwu?

POR...chock full of targets...Brogdon WILL be moved. They'd probably love to get off Ayton's deal. Simons COULD be moved. Maybe a Center swap sweetens the deal enough to get Simons too...we have all of the expirings and even an overpay for two years doesn't really stress us - until Paolo's extension kicks in. Spend it now but don't necessarily act foolishly beyond the 2nd year.

I don't see SAS, CHI, or DET selling anything we'd want...any other prey/sellers?
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0 

Post#463 » by JBSouthpaw » Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:11 pm

orlando_joe wrote:
eyriq wrote:ESPN Bobby Marks some trade ideas for us:

"Trade we would like to see: Two separate trades. The Magic send Harris and the 2025 Denver first to Sacramento for Kevin Huerter. Orlando receives Jonas Valanciunas and Dyson Daniels from New Orleans for Carter and Okeke."

Upgrading Harris with Huerter is a no brainer. The second one gives me pause.

both trades seem ugly to me why give a first ? he wont move needle one less asset less cap space i just dont get it


this one was up in the Indy section:
Trade we would like to see: Hield to Orlando for Gary Harris, Chuma Okeke and a 2025 second-rounder from Denver (if 6-30).

(I think he means 1st rounder, not 2nd from DEN.)
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0 

Post#464 » by zaymon » Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:26 pm

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orlando_joe wrote:
eyriq wrote:ESPN Bobby Marks some trade ideas for us:

"Trade we would like to see: Two separate trades. The Magic send Harris and the 2025 Denver first to Sacramento for Kevin Huerter. Orlando receives Jonas Valanciunas and Dyson Daniels from New Orleans for Carter and Okeke."

Upgrading Harris with Huerter is a no brainer. The second one gives me pause.

both trades seem ugly to me why give a first ? he wont move needle one less asset less cap space i just dont get it


this one was up in the Indy section:
Trade we would like to see: Hield to Orlando for Gary Harris, Chuma Okeke and a 2025 second-rounder from Denver (if 6-30).

(I think he means 1st rounder, not 2nd from DEN.)


No chance we do it.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0 

Post#465 » by bigdogdylan5 » Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:41 pm

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bigdogdylan5 wrote:Ok couple points. I am not suggesting tanking. Magic need to win as many games as they can but unless you’re trading for a top 30 player I don’t think you push any chips in. Franz and Paolo need to lead us.

Why do we have to sell Banchero right now?? He ain’t leaving. He will take the max extension just like everyone else. I am sorry but there has been way too much absolving of Paolo and Franz. They are our corner stones so if they can’t take this team to the 7th or 8th seed that means they need to be better. No one wants to talk about Paolo’s horrendous advanced numbers. He is still way too inefficient and is now struggling to get to the hoop settling for mid range shots. Statistically he isn’t moving the needle on defense either. Franz has been hurt but he has had a drop in efficiency as well.

There is an argument that Banchero not playing with perfect spacing could help his development. You’re not always going to have perfect spacing you need to get better when it’s not there.


Thing is, and you also pointed it out, its hard for Paolo to improve his getting to the rim while whole opponents team and Markelle Fultz are parked there. There is no good decision. He can make contested mid range shot or not take part in the offense at all. If it costs us 2nd round pick or two why torture our two best players ? I dont see any reason. Its just stupid.

And that might be the point of breakdown in our arguments every trade I have seen that seems realistic either has us giving up WCJ Jett or first round picks. Yes of course if you can get Buddy Hield or Brogdon for 2-3 seconds with expiring filler of course I am ok with that. But imo you won’t get a player good enough to be in our rotation for 2s. Maybe I am wrong.

Edit: Additionally yes I can acknowledge that our roster does make it harder for Paolo but it’s on him a little to get better and adapt. Try and develop a hook shot or floater. His touch around the rim is not very good right now. He does rely on officials helping him and they have definitely stopped being favorable to him. I feel like it’s not as simple as get shooters.
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I am high on Markelle Fultz. Yes I understand he is not perfect and needs to shoot more and better and turn the ball over less. I would really like to see him play one more year… and I did and he sucks time to move on.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0 

Post#466 » by Blue_and_Whte » Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:57 pm

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Post#467 » by thelead » Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:09 pm

Can we at least trade Cole for Tyus?
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Post#468 » by JBSouthpaw » Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:17 pm

thelead wrote:Can we at least trade Cole for Tyus?


Reading the ESPN article, Cole has a poison pill in his contract:

Cole Anthony has a poison-pill restriction. For trade purposes, $5.5 million is used as his outgoing salary and $11.1 million in incoming salary for an acquiring team.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0 

Post#469 » by eyriq » Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:18 pm

JBSouthpaw wrote:
thelead wrote:Can we at least trade Cole for Tyus?


Reading the ESPN article, Cole has a poison pill in his contract:

Cole Anthony has a poison-pill restriction. For trade purposes, $5.5 million is used as his outgoing salary and $11.1 million in incoming salary for an acquiring team.
How do you even trade that kind of contract?
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0 

Post#470 » by Audi » Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:22 pm

This is the worst part about the trade season with our FO. They could be sitting on their hands with no plans whatsoever or they could be in advanced talks with multiple teams - we'd be in the same exact spot either way because they are so freaking tight lipped.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0 

Post#471 » by thelead » Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:26 pm

eyriq wrote:
JBSouthpaw wrote:
thelead wrote:Can we at least trade Cole for Tyus?


Reading the ESPN article, Cole has a poison pill in his contract:

Cole Anthony has a poison-pill restriction. For trade purposes, $5.5 million is used as his outgoing salary and $11.1 million in incoming salary for an acquiring team.
How do you even trade that kind of contract?

Cole and Houstan for Tyus works
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0 

Post#472 » by IllMagic04 » Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:30 pm

JBSouthpaw wrote:
thelead wrote:Can we at least trade Cole for Tyus?


Reading the ESPN article, Cole has a poison pill in his contract:

Cole Anthony has a poison-pill restriction. For trade purposes, $5.5 million is used as his outgoing salary and $11.1 million in incoming salary for an acquiring team.


Wow I've never heard of such a thing.
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Post#473 » by Knightro » Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:46 pm

IllMagic04 wrote:
JBSouthpaw wrote:
thelead wrote:Can we at least trade Cole for Tyus?


Reading the ESPN article, Cole has a poison pill in his contract:

Cole Anthony has a poison-pill restriction. For trade purposes, $5.5 million is used as his outgoing salary and $11.1 million in incoming salary for an acquiring team.


Wow I've never heard of such a thing.


Poison pill restrictions are automatically added to all rookie contract extensions, so this is not a Cole exclusive thing.

Basically the NBA doesn't really want teams to extend a player's rookie scale contract, but then trade that player away before that extension actually kicks in.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0 

Post#474 » by IllMagic04 » Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:41 pm

Soo.. the Zach Lavine conversation. Obviously, the contract is an absolute abomination. However, I'm guessing he can be got just by giving expiring deals. Does he not give us exactly what we need? Only 28 years old. Looking at that contract gives me a headache though. I lean no but wondering where everyone else stands. We need big offense in the back court badly.
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Post#475 » by Fortune Teller » Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:48 pm

Welt isn't going to do anything. He's still evaluating the roster.
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Post#476 » by Orl_Magic » Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:52 pm

Wanted Rozier so bad. It sucks hes going to the Heat of all teams. Weltman Wake the @#%@! Up and get us a Murray or Tyrus Jones
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Post#477 » by thelead » Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:09 pm

IllMagic04 wrote:Soo.. the Zach Lavine conversation. Obviously, the contract is an absolute abomination. However, I'm guessing he can be got just by giving expiring deals. Does he not give us exactly what we need? Only 28 years old. Looking at that contract gives me a headache though. I lean no but wondering where everyone else stands. We need big offense in the back court badly.

He’s injured yet again… and the Bulls look decent again without him… I’ve tried to do the mental gymnastics to have it make sense but it just doesn’t.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0 

Post#478 » by DiplomaticMagic » Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:30 pm

Ive come around and I want us to trade for Dejounte Murray.

Tyus Jones will be a good cheaper option.

I do not want Brogdon. While he'd be good, Im sick of relying on injury prone players.

Not sure if available but Id love Simons
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0 

Post#479 » by eyriq » Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:55 pm

I think it's better than a coin flip that we make a move by the deadline. The question is, what are we looking for?

1. I think they stay true to the slow and steady organic rebuild.
2. Harris losing his starting spot even when healthy is likely a failed evaluation.
3. Fultz has not lost his starting spot when healthy but hasn't been very healthy...is this enough for a failed evaluation?
4. AB has contributed to wins, can we free up a rotation spot for him? Not easy to do if he isn't starting. Cole is hard to move and if we move Harris for another guard AB probably won't beat him or Cole out.
5. Goga crushed his evaluation, do we clear room for him to get in the rotation? Implies a WCJ move.
6. Okeke didn't fail his evaluation but doesn't have a clear path with Ingles, JI, Jett, and Houstan ahead of him. Trade value or just lose for nothing?

The big move would be oriented towards consolidating Fultz, WCJ, and Harris into a starting guard, which frees up a rotation spot for Black and a starting spot for Goga. I guess this is what I'm going for. CP3 ftw.

Edit: Harris and Fultz for CP3 BTW, WCJ + Okeke for something else, not sure what since I want Goga to start and AB in the rotation...
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Post#480 » by ibraheim718 » Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:10 pm

They need to strike while the iron is hot and trade for Dejounte Murray.

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