What to do with Bruce Brown

[psman2]

Bruce Brown and 2024 DET 2nd for Naz Reid and Shake Milton?

Too much value incoming?

Naz is really important for Minny as their back-up C so they're def not trading him while they prepare for a playoff run.

It's so sad, because Naz is exactly the player the Raptors need right now and going forward. I was thinking Brown for Reid and Slo-Mo. The salaries are an exact match. We clearly need more size up front. And the T-Wolves have KAT and Gobert - what do the need Reid fore

How about if we add the late first/the Detroit second? And *snicker* Jontay to be their backup C.

The Wolves just cannot afford Brown's salary. The owners bought the team on a shoestring and predicted to struggle with payroll starting next year. Brown at 23 million is no bargain especially in a 6/7 man role he would have on most good teams. This year Minny is much better off on the court with Anderson/Reid than Brown and next year they are likely going to have to let Anderson walk due to the tax. Brown at 23m is just not a tenable option for them.

[ConSarnit]

anything that gives ORL less cap space in the summer also helps us.

Isn't Orlando primed to have an absolute boatload of cap space no matter what? Isaac and Ingles aren't guaranteed, Fultz and Harris both expire. Even if you add Brown to the mix they could still have $40m+ in space.

Unlesss they take on 20 plus million of UFA for some of that dead salary, I see just south of 30 when you add cap holds. But I didn't look very hard.

If they renounce everyone (let Fultz and Harris walk, don't pick up Ingles or Isaac's option) I have them at under $80 in total salary. That's over $60m in cap space. If they re-sign Goga for MLE money he'd be their highest paid player at $13m and they'd still have close to $50m in space with the following guys under contract:

Banchero
WCJ
F Wagner
M Wagner
Suggs
Anthony
Howard
Goga
15th pick
min cap holds

[agkagk]

Ya the reports make no sense unless they were trying to package herb with an undesirable contract.

The media:

“The pelicans have cap problems”

“The pelicans are looking to trade the best value contract in the league”


This was the day logic died.

This is why I really don't get why the Hawks would trade DJM when he's on such a team-friendly contract. (unless he's an overrated cancer). I personally would trade Trae for value in a NY minute. Given Finch's comments after the game last night, maybe KAT for Trae is actually doable.

The Hawks gave up a lot for DJM (three 1sts and a swap) obviously thinking that he and Trae would do big things. With the two of them the team went 43-39 and 41-41, losing in the 1st round both years. They are 18-25 right now so clearly not improving.

If they want to recoup assets for the future they will get more by moving DJM because Trae is owed $43M/$46M/$49M.

I think the Raptors should take shot with DJM considering ATL is only asking for expiring and two 1sts. Worse case you can trade him to recover at least one 1st in the future given his age and contract.

Reading between the lines of what the pundits say: murrays defence has taken a hit (probably more to due with system and personal).

Also playing off the ball on offence appears to negate a lot of murrays best skills.

[ConSarnit]

Naz is really important for Minny as their back-up C so they're def not trading him while they prepare for a playoff run.

It's so sad, because Naz is exactly the player the Raptors need right now and going forward. I was thinking Brown for Reid and Slo-Mo. The salaries are an exact match. We clearly need more size up front. And the T-Wolves have KAT and Gobert - what do the need Reid fore

How about if we add the late first/the Detroit second? And *snicker* Jontay to be their backup C.

The Wolves just cannot afford Brown's salary. The owners bought the team on a shoestring and predicted to struggle with payroll starting next year. Brown at 23 million is no bargain especially in a 6/7 man role he would have on most good teams. This year Minny is much better off on the court with Anderson/Reid than Brown and next year they are likely going to have to let Anderson walk due to the tax. Brown at 23m is just not a tenable option for them.

Slight tangent but it seems like something bigger is going to have to give in MIN than just Anderson. They are going to be at the tax next year with only 7 players, and that includes letting Anderson walk AND they still have to re-sign Conley.

MIN is in a tough spot. They obviously don't want to trade Reid and Anderson because of their success this year but something has to give in the off-season, unless they are somehow willing to be a 2nd apron team.

[douggood]

It's so sad, because Naz is exactly the player the Raptors need right now and going forward. I was thinking Brown for Reid and Slo-Mo. The salaries are an exact match. We clearly need more size up front. And the T-Wolves have KAT and Gobert - what do the need Reid fore

How about if we add the late first/the Detroit second? And *snicker* Jontay to be their backup C.

The Wolves just cannot afford Brown's salary. The owners bought the team on a shoestring and predicted to struggle with payroll starting next year. Brown at 23 million is no bargain especially in a 6/7 man role he would have on most good teams. This year Minny is much better off on the court with Anderson/Reid than Brown and next year they are likely going to have to let Anderson walk due to the tax. Brown at 23m is just not a tenable option for them.

Slight tangent but it seems like something bigger is going to have to give in MIN than just Anderson. They are going to be at the tax next year with only 7 players, and that includes letting Anderson walk AND they still have to re-sign Conley.

MIN is in a tough spot. They obviously don't want to trade Reid and Anderson because of their success this year but something has to give in the off-season, unless they are somehow willing to be a 2nd apron team.

KAT is getting moved

[psman2]

It's so sad, because Naz is exactly the player the Raptors need right now and going forward. I was thinking Brown for Reid and Slo-Mo. The salaries are an exact match. We clearly need more size up front. And the T-Wolves have KAT and Gobert - what do the need Reid fore

How about if we add the late first/the Detroit second? And *snicker* Jontay to be their backup C.

The Wolves just cannot afford Brown's salary. The owners bought the team on a shoestring and predicted to struggle with payroll starting next year. Brown at 23 million is no bargain especially in a 6/7 man role he would have on most good teams. This year Minny is much better off on the court with Anderson/Reid than Brown and next year they are likely going to have to let Anderson walk due to the tax. Brown at 23m is just not a tenable option for them.

Slight tangent but it seems like something bigger is going to have to give in MIN than just Anderson. They are going to be at the tax next year with only 7 players, and that includes letting Anderson walk AND they still have to re-sign Conley.

MIN is in a tough spot. They obviously don't want to trade Reid and Anderson because of their success this year but something has to give in the off-season, unless they are somehow willing to be a 2nd apron team.

For sure something is going to have to give, but throwing an overpaid role player in the mix is likely a very low probability here given Minny's parameters. I think that is something that anyone who objectively looks at the roster and cap sheet can agree with.

This is not me declaring Brown is worthless, just that him on his contract and in certain roles on certain teams...those teams are not going to be in the market for him.

[StopitLeo]

The Hawks gave up a lot for DJM (three 1sts and a swap) obviously thinking that he and Trae would do big things. With the two of them the team went 43-39 and 41-41, losing in the 1st round both years. They are 18-25 right now so clearly not improving.

If they want to recoup assets for the future they will get more by moving DJM because Trae is owed $43M/$46M/$49M.

I think the Raptors should take shot with DJM considering ATL is only asking for expiring and two 1sts. Worse case you can trade him to recover at least one 1st in the future given his age and contract.

Reading between the lines of what the pundits say: murrays defence has taken a hit (probably more to due with system and personal).

Also playing off the ball on offence appears to negate a lot of murrays best skills.

I think playing with Trae has been a big problem in terms of maximizing Murray's abilities. Murray is not going to play high-level defence to make up for Trae's shortcomings while having less opportunities on offence because of Trae's ball-dominance.

As poor as our defence is at the moment, the Raptors have good defenders and they need time to learn how to play together on that end. Murray wouldn't be expected to pick up the slack on defence for anyone, even RJ is looking good defensively imo.

On offence I think Murray would be better with the Raptors because he could balance on- and off-ball play with Quickley more than he can with Trae.

Quickley is a lot less ball-dominant as well as a better 3 point shooter than Young. Trae takes pulls up 3s almost 3.5x more often than catch and shoot and he only shoots 35% on the catch and shoot (not bad but not great either). Quickley currently takes more catch and shoot than pull-up 3s, making them at a higher clip as well (44% catch and shoot vs 38.4% on pull-ups). Murray also takes more catch and shoot 3s and he shoots them at 38%, just slightly below his 39% on pull-up 3s.

I can't say for sure that Quickley and Murray would work but there is exciting potential and if they did work together you would have a very dynamic and dangerous backcourt.

[WuTang_CMB]

NY and LA , Dallas in on Bruce as per Scotto
thinks MIA is now out since they traded for Rozier

[redraptor77]

Brown in Dallas would be nice. I don’t like NY or LAL players or contracts.

[Appostis]

I'm not waiting for a 2029 pick from the Lakers... I don't care how bad we think they might be. I might be dead.

With the way the world going, we all might be.

Exactly. Another Biden/Harris administration!?!? Not sure JT is helping either...

Republican/Cons you guys are too much

Let's try and keep this thread to basketball can we?

[TimeForChange]

Just do Brown to Dallas for Holmes, Green and Omax.

No picks needed.

Trade Boucher and GTJ for some seconds and call it a day.

[Tha Cynic]

Peyton Watson and pick from Denver? Seems like a Masai type of player and has defensive upside.

Kind of impossible to make the salaries work.

[Zeno]

Peyton Watson and pick from Denver? Seems like a Masai type of player and has defensive upside.

matching salary just isn't there

[Tha Cynic]

Peyton Watson and pick from Denver? Seems like a Masai type of player and has defensive upside.

matching salary just isn't there

Yeah just saw that

[Tha Cynic]

Just do Brown to Dallas for Holmes, Green and Omax.

No picks needed.

Trade Boucher and GTJ for some seconds and call it a day.

No way Dallas gives all that for Brown lol

[TimeForChange]

Just do Brown to Dallas for Holmes, Green and Omax.

No picks needed.

Trade Boucher and GTJ for some seconds and call it a day.

No way Dallas gives all that for Brown lol

these reporters made it seem like Brown was prime Shaq on the market

I don't even think the raps get a first personally.

[Zeno]

Just do Brown to Dallas for Holmes, Green and Omax.

No picks needed.

Trade Boucher and GTJ for some seconds and call it a day.

No way Dallas gives all that for Brown lol

Yeah, I think their offer would be Hardaway, Omax, 2-2nds(1 of which is ours 2025)
In the end if we can get Fournier, Grimes, 1st from the Knicks(even just an upgrade on our 2024 OKC 1st), it is by far the best package I can imagine getting in that it maintains almost our cap flexibility into the summer.

[Chalky_White]

Just do Brown to Dallas for Holmes, Green and Omax.

No picks needed.

Trade Boucher and GTJ for some seconds and call it a day.

No way Dallas gives all that for Brown lol

Would be a fair trade once you break it down.

-OMax is attached to get take on Holmes' bad contract(Dallas got the OMax pick to take on the contract last summer and OMax hasn't really played)
-Green and a 2nd for Brown is fair value

I can see Dallas being motivated enough to get this done since they'd like to capitalize on Luka and Kyrie being healthy and having great seasons.

[Chalky_White]

Just do Brown to Dallas for Holmes, Green and Omax.

No picks needed.

Trade Boucher and GTJ for some seconds and call it a day.

No way Dallas gives all that for Brown lol

Yeah, I think their offer would be Hardaway, Omax, 2-2nds(1 of which is ours 2025)
In the end if we can get Fournier, Grimes, 1st from the Knicks(even just an upgrade on our 2024 OKC 1st), it is by far the best package I can imagine getting in that it maintains almost our cap flexibility into the summer.

Dallas can't really afford to lose Hardaway's scoring. They'd likely prefer giving up the non-Lively prospects.

[DreamTeam09]

Reggie Victor Cam Whitmore for Bruce Brown & the OKC pick