Official Immanuel Quickley Thread

[ontnut]

I wondered how long it would take for some guys to turn on IQ. Collin Sexton is better than him? bruh, Sexton was the 8th overall pick two years before IQ who was 25th. I would HOPE he's better...

12 games as a Raptors and IQ is averaging 17/5/6/1 on 41/44/85 when OG averaged 15/4/3/1 on 49/37/72 and we got guys complaining already. Yeesh. Some of these "fans" really are toxic.

[hyper316]

He was only ever asked to score off bench in NY

Now he’s a full time starter and he’s trying to find the balance between creator and scorer with a new team and coach.

This is a great season to figure that out

Reminds me of when Casey tried to mold Lowry into something he wasn't. IQ is a scorer and they got him second guessing at the moment.

Rob from Pensare made good observation that from advanced stats it looks like Knicks tried to make IQ a passing point guard in his second year. Assist rate went up but other areas went down, so 3rd year went back to scorer and stats went back up.

Looks like raptors trying to repeat the same thing.

[ash_k]

He was only ever asked to score off bench in NY

Now he’s a full time starter and he’s trying to find the balance between creator and scorer with a new team and coach.

This is a great season to figure that out

In the regular season, 20+games as a starter under the bright lights of New York AND averaged 20+pts |5+rbs|5+asts|45%FG|40 3P% despite having a defensive-minded coach in Thibs.
He knows what he can do.

Don’t forget the “…with new team and coach.” So anew system and new teammates.

He said himself when he came that he had to focus more on becoming a creator.

as long as he keeps shooting at 40+% from 3, we are good. He fits great with Scottie and StarJ..I never had him as a future 2nd option (more like a 3 or 4)..I hope this coaching staff can maximize his talent.
Note: Gary Trent has shown just as much potential as IQ. We need to remind ourselves that Gary is the same age as IQ

[Brinbe]

He may well end up as more of an off-ball threat. But I mean that's not that big of a deal considering we have Scottie. Anyway, let's wait till he gets a good run of games with Yak back in the lineup.

[realball]

Are we still comfortable with paying him $25 million? He's looking like an MLE player quite frankly.

I imagine a team like Spurs or Pistons are going to put in a big offer just to F with us, though.

Are you serious?

Can you name another pg that's making MLE, averaging 17/6/5 on 44% 3pt shooting?

Dude, he's shooting 41% from the field. He's been terrible.

Schroeder is averaging 14/6/3 on similar efficiency. And he's an MLE guard.

[YogurtProducer]

Are we still comfortable with paying him $25 million? He's looking like an MLE player quite frankly.

I imagine a team like Spurs or Pistons are going to put in a big offer just to F with us, though.

Are you serious?

Can you name another pg that's making MLE, averaging 17/6/5 on 44% 3pt shooting?

Dude, he's shooting 41% from the field. He's been terrible.

Schroeder is averaging 14/6/3 on similar efficiency. And he's an MLE guard.

He has been FAR from "terrible". Chill out on the hyperbole.

Even an MLE player is a top 125 player pay wise in the league. Reality is young guys like Quickley get 5-10M extra for "potential" and guys like Dennis get 5-10M less for being a "finished product by not a star". It is why guys like GTJ and Powell got the exact same deal 3 yeas ago despite Norm being better. And that is why Quickley will get more than the MLE.

But either way - Quickely > Schroder. You are putting to much stock into 11 games with a new team, in which he has not even really had majro practice time, on a team who currently has no 5 man.

[Raptorfan2012]

I still think IQ could use a vet point guard who is more of a floor general type to back him up and learn from the ropes. Having Lowry back for a year won't be too bad. Even if we are developing, it is okay to have a few vets on the bench to help out the young guys- they don't always have to be traded or waived.

[realball]

Are you serious?

Can you name another pg that's making MLE, averaging 17/6/5 on 44% 3pt shooting?

Dude, he's shooting 41% from the field. He's been terrible.

Schroeder is averaging 14/6/3 on similar efficiency. And he's an MLE guard.

He has been FAR from "terrible". Chill out on the hyperbole.

Even an MLE player is a top 125 player pay wise in the league. Reality is young guys like Quickley get 5-10M extra for "potential" and guys like Dennis get 5-10M less for being a "finished product by not a star". It is why guys like GTJ and Powell got the exact same deal 3 yeas ago despite Norm being better. And that is why Quickley will get more than the MLE.

But either way - Quickely > Schroder. You are putting to much stock into 11 games with a new team, in which he has not even really had majro practice time, on a team who currently has no 5 man.

I didn't say Schroeder was better than Quickley... but they are similar calibre players right now. Finished product or not, Quickley has not looked like effective starter when he's been on the floor. He's averaging 2 more points in 8 more minutes as a starter... that's terrible. And it's not like he's a rookie, he's in his 4th year. Barrett has not had practice time either, but he's managed to make an impact when he's out there. Quickley's been a massive disappointment, no other way to slice it.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Once Yak is back, IQ will be unleashed. Right now without the space on the floor Yak creates the entire offence look like my rec league team - and we are one of those teams that are made up of individuals who registered on their own, and didn't even sign up as a team.

[YogurtProducer]

Dude, he's shooting 41% from the field. He's been terrible.

Schroeder is averaging 14/6/3 on similar efficiency. And he's an MLE guard.

He has been FAR from "terrible". Chill out on the hyperbole.

Even an MLE player is a top 125 player pay wise in the league. Reality is young guys like Quickley get 5-10M extra for "potential" and guys like Dennis get 5-10M less for being a "finished product by not a star". It is why guys like GTJ and Powell got the exact same deal 3 yeas ago despite Norm being better. And that is why Quickley will get more than the MLE.

But either way - Quickely > Schroder. You are putting to much stock into 11 games with a new team, in which he has not even really had majro practice time, on a team who currently has no 5 man.

I didn't say Schroeder was better than Quickley... but they are similar calibre players right now. Finished product or not, Quickley has not looked like effective starter when he's been on the floor. He's averaging 2 more points in 8 more minutes as a starter... that's terrible. And it's not like he's a rookie, he's in his 4th year. Barrett has not had practice time either, but he's managed to make an impact when he's out there. Quickley's been a massive disappointment, no other way to slice it.

Dude, it is not terrible

Playing more minutes =/= you are gonna scale up your production perfectly. When you go from being the #1/2 option against bench guys to the #3 or so option against starters... you are going to see your production dip a bit.

He is starting for the first time in his life and is giving us 17/6 (with low turnovers) on 55.4TS% despite his historically good in-between game somewhat abandoning him since he got here. The guy is shooting 10% worse at the rim, and 10% worse from 3-10feet since he got here. That is jus small sample noise and will work itself out.

He has had been FAR from terrible. Like come on man.

Kyle Lowry career as a Raptor? 17/5/7
Quickley in 12 games? 17/5/6

Maybe just give the kid more than 2-3 weeks before proclaiming he has been "terrible". He has been far from a massive disappointment, unless you were expecting the guy to be an immediate all-star or some stupid **** like that.

[gp2015]

Dude, he's shooting 41% from the field. He's been terrible.

Schroeder is averaging 14/6/3 on similar efficiency. And he's an MLE guard.

He has been FAR from "terrible". Chill out on the hyperbole.

Even an MLE player is a top 125 player pay wise in the league. Reality is young guys like Quickley get 5-10M extra for "potential" and guys like Dennis get 5-10M less for being a "finished product by not a star". It is why guys like GTJ and Powell got the exact same deal 3 yeas ago despite Norm being better. And that is why Quickley will get more than the MLE.

But either way - Quickely > Schroder. You are putting to much stock into 11 games with a new team, in which he has not even really had majro practice time, on a team who currently has no 5 man.

I didn't say Schroeder was better than Quickley... but they are similar calibre players right now. Finished product or not, Quickley has not looked like effective starter when he's been on the floor. He's averaging 2 more points in 8 more minutes as a starter... that's terrible. And it's not like he's a rookie, he's in his 4th year. Barrett has not had practice time either, but he's managed to make an impact when he's out there. Quickley's been a massive disappointment, no other way to slice it.

If that's how you feel then your expectations were highly unrealistic in the first place.

IQ is learning a new role as the starting pg. In New York, he was mainly asked to be a scorer off the bench and now he's asked to get everyone involved in the offense and make plays for others.

RJ has started his whole career and this role is not drastically different than how he usually plays but he's being asked to limit his low percentage shots.

[Tripod]

Wish we could find a few more disappointments averaging 17-6-5 and 44% on 3's.

[Reeko]

Wish we could find a few more disappointments averaging 17-6-5 and 44% on 3's.

I think it's fair to say that he's had a couple of rough games recently and that he has a lot of room for growth. The issue is that people thought we were getting Tyrese Maxey 2.0, and for all of his positives Immanuel is not Tyrese.

[realball]

He has been FAR from "terrible". Chill out on the hyperbole.

Even an MLE player is a top 125 player pay wise in the league. Reality is young guys like Quickley get 5-10M extra for "potential" and guys like Dennis get 5-10M less for being a "finished product by not a star". It is why guys like GTJ and Powell got the exact same deal 3 yeas ago despite Norm being better. And that is why Quickley will get more than the MLE.

But either way - Quickely > Schroder. You are putting to much stock into 11 games with a new team, in which he has not even really had majro practice time, on a team who currently has no 5 man.

I didn't say Schroeder was better than Quickley... but they are similar calibre players right now. Finished product or not, Quickley has not looked like effective starter when he's been on the floor. He's averaging 2 more points in 8 more minutes as a starter... that's terrible. And it's not like he's a rookie, he's in his 4th year. Barrett has not had practice time either, but he's managed to make an impact when he's out there. Quickley's been a massive disappointment, no other way to slice it.

Dude, it is not terrible

Playing more minutes =/= you are gonna scale up your production perfectly. When you go from being the #1/2 option against bench guys to the #3 or so option against starters... you are going to see your production dip a bit.

He is starting for the first time in his life and is giving us 17/6 (with low turnovers) on 55.4TS% despite his historically good in-between game somewhat abandoning him since he got here. The guy is shooting 10% worse at the rim, and 10% worse from 3-10feet since he got here. That is jus small sample noise and will work itself out.

He has had been FAR from terrible. Like come on man.

Kyle Lowry career as a Raptor? 17/5/7
Quickley in 12 games? 17/5/6

Maybe just give the kid more than 2-3 weeks before proclaiming he has been "terrible". He has been far from a massive disappointment, unless you were expecting the guy to be an immediate all-star or some stupid **** like that.

You are being obtuse to make your point. No one said minutes and points scale up together for every player. But for a player who considered a microwave scorer, a player who is stepping into a bigger role, their scoring is expected to improve, regardless of the competition they are facing. The expectations for Quickley were not become a star this season, but to at least be a reliable starter, and he's not shown that yet. Like you said, his finishing in the paint and around the rim has fallen off tremendously, his play has regressed as starter. He's not playing much better than Schroeder, and that in itself is a huge disappointment.

Did you really think comparing IQ's counting stats to Lowry counts for an argument? Lowry's impact was felt way beyond the stat sheets. You are making excuses for IQ.

[realball]

He has been FAR from "terrible". Chill out on the hyperbole.

Even an MLE player is a top 125 player pay wise in the league. Reality is young guys like Quickley get 5-10M extra for "potential" and guys like Dennis get 5-10M less for being a "finished product by not a star". It is why guys like GTJ and Powell got the exact same deal 3 yeas ago despite Norm being better. And that is why Quickley will get more than the MLE.

But either way - Quickely > Schroder. You are putting to much stock into 11 games with a new team, in which he has not even really had majro practice time, on a team who currently has no 5 man.

I didn't say Schroeder was better than Quickley... but they are similar calibre players right now. Finished product or not, Quickley has not looked like effective starter when he's been on the floor. He's averaging 2 more points in 8 more minutes as a starter... that's terrible. And it's not like he's a rookie, he's in his 4th year. Barrett has not had practice time either, but he's managed to make an impact when he's out there. Quickley's been a massive disappointment, no other way to slice it.

If that's how you feel then your expectations were highly unrealistic in the first place.

IQ is learning a new role as the starting pg. In New York, he was mainly asked to be a scorer off the bench and now he's asked to get everyone involved in the offense and make plays for others.

RJ has started his whole career and this role is not drastically different than how he usually plays but he's being asked to limit his low percentage shots.

The expectations were for him to be a reliable starter. That's not an unrealistic demand for 4th year player who has had some big games as a starter before, and is expecting a big contract in the off-season.

If RJ can come into a bigger role and improve, I think expecting the same from Quickley is a tall ask.

[Tor_Raps]

Think it's pretty obvious that Darko is trying to make IQ a lead guard. This has taken away IT'S chucking which is actually his best attribute. He's been benched anytime he's gotten shot happy.

Personally, I think the right approach is letting IQ do what he does best BUT also try to add to his game. Limiting his shots for a team that desperately needs his offense isn't smart.

[Chandan]

In the regular season, 20+games as a starter under the bright lights of New York AND averaged 20+pts |5+rbs|5+asts|45%FG|40 3P% despite having a defensive-minded coach in Thibs.
He knows what he can do.

Don’t forget the “…with new team and coach.” So anew system and new teammates.

He said himself when he came that he had to focus more on becoming a creator.

as long as he keeps shooting at 40+% from 3, we are good. He fits great with Scottie and StarJ..I never had him as a future 2nd option (more like a 3 or 4)..I hope this coaching staff can maximize his talent.
Note: Gary Trent has shown just as much potential as IQ. We need to remind ourselves that Gary is the same age as IQ

That's scary because I have completely written off Gary.

[Childs]

Wish we could find a few more disappointments averaging 17-6-5 and 44% on 3's.

I think it's fair to say that he's had a couple of rough games recently and that he has a lot of room for growth. The issue is that people thought we were getting Tyrese Maxey 2.0, and for all of his positives Immanuel is not Tyrese.

I think thats ridiculous, and on the ludicrous fans. Maxey is a fringe superstar right now.....that's a ridiculous comparison. IQ is learning in a new system, and is now a starter learning to be PG. It takes time.

[Clay Davis]

IQ has the same rizz as he did in New York... but rizz doesn't manifest the same way. His apples per game (assists per game) has went from 2.5 on the New York Pantaloons to 6.1. Steels from 0.5 per game to 0.8 points from 15.0 to 16.7 (on 2.4 extra attempts). His minutes have went up about 33.3%. I'd say he's doing pretty well. I think his rizz will only increase. Rizzle me timbers

[YogurtProducer]

I didn't say Schroeder was better than Quickley... but they are similar calibre players right now. Finished product or not, Quickley has not looked like effective starter when he's been on the floor. He's averaging 2 more points in 8 more minutes as a starter... that's terrible. And it's not like he's a rookie, he's in his 4th year. Barrett has not had practice time either, but he's managed to make an impact when he's out there. Quickley's been a massive disappointment, no other way to slice it.

If that's how you feel then your expectations were highly unrealistic in the first place.

IQ is learning a new role as the starting pg. In New York, he was mainly asked to be a scorer off the bench and now he's asked to get everyone involved in the offense and make plays for others.

RJ has started his whole career and this role is not drastically different than how he usually plays but he's being asked to limit his low percentage shots.

The expectations were for him to be a reliable starter. That's not an unrealistic demand for 4th year player who has had some big games as a starter before, and is expecting a big contract in the off-season.

If RJ can come into a bigger role and improve, I think expecting the same from Quickley is a tall ask.

He has been a pretty reliable starter so far.

Not everyone scores 20ppg. 17/6 for a guy who is starting for the first time in his career is pretty damn good.

I think your expectations are out of whack.