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zman1 wrote:A little perspective: I read an article yesterday reminding us that our epic "The Catch" game sending us to our first super bowl, Montana had 3 interceptions.
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CrimsonCrew wrote:Big J wrote:arich35 wrote:
Offensive line matter?
Oh yea, we've all seen how Purdy looks without Trent.
That's because the only reason our OL is even semi-competent is because we have perhaps the best OT in the league. None of the other guys rate in the top-30 at their position except maybe Brendel (because there are only 32), and he's probably firmly in the back-half among starters. Our interior OL is bad, particularly at pass-blocking.
As I've noted before, for all the talk about supporting cast, people just mention Trent and then leave it as if the rest of the OL is similarly impressive. They're not. They're bad. Goff, on the other hand, has perhaps the best OL in the league, with four of the five playing very well this season.
Quick review of PFF grades for these units:
LT: Trent (89.7) vs. Taylor Decker (77.3)
LG: Banks (54.9) vs. Jonah Jackson (59.7)
C: Brendel (63.9) vs. Frank Ragnow (88.1)
RG: Burford (50.4) vs. Graham Glasgow (75.1)
RT: McKivitz (65.1) vs. Penei Sewell (90.7)
They have the #1 player at both OT and OC. Their OL averages a 78.18. Ours averages a 64.8 even with Trent's 90. They have four guys with grades that are ten points higher than our SECOND guy, and they have three positions where they outscore our respective guy by almost 25 points. They have four stellar guys, and one relatively weak guy. We have one stellar guy and four borderline starters (frankly, Banks and Burford haven't even been that this season).
If you don't think that sort of difference in the supporting cast affects a QB's play, you don't know football.
wco81 wrote:It's possible that Purdy just isn't good enough to lead the team to a title.
It's young in his career and though he has put up some great numbers so far, he's not Mahomes, who threw 50 TDs! at age 22 and won the SB at age 23. Purdy is 24.
He also has a great group of targets and one of the best RBs in the league and probably one of the greatest LTs of all time.
The challenge will be when he doesn't have such great weapons. For instance, if the team can't keep Aiyuk or in a couple of seasons, CMC may not be on the team.
If he continues to put up numbers, team has no choice but to pay the going rate because this roster is win now, with such expensive contracts.
Yoshi wrote:wco81 wrote:It's possible that Purdy just isn't good enough to lead the team to a title.
It's young in his career and though he has put up some great numbers so far, he's not Mahomes, who threw 50 TDs! at age 22 and won the SB at age 23. Purdy is 24.
He also has a great group of targets and one of the best RBs in the league and probably one of the greatest LTs of all time.
The challenge will be when he doesn't have such great weapons. For instance, if the team can't keep Aiyuk or in a couple of seasons, CMC may not be on the team.
If he continues to put up numbers, team has no choice but to pay the going rate because this roster is win now, with such expensive contracts.
Depends, because there have been some comments on Kyle's interest in Brady prior to this season, as well as some rumors involving Kirk Cousins, and also some notes out there about the Niners possibly looking at a QB replacement for Brock given his contract negotiations end of next season. Thus I don't necessarily seeing this team paying him per se. If Purdy had Love's performance, we are already talking about a replacement. I'd like to see him with better Sunday, and possibly 2 weeks after that.
CrimsonCrew wrote:Very thorough breakdown of Purdy's game by JTO:
JT gives what I think is a fair assessment of Purdy's performance. As usual, some things aren't as bad as they may have appeared in live action on the broadcast, and other things look worse. One of the concerns for me is not just the wet conditions, but the uncharacteristic jumpiness, poor vision that popped up at times, failure to recognize some fairly straightforward defensive movements. Even on plays that ended well, like the pass to Jennings or the scramble at the end of the game, he was arguably forced to make those great, off-schedule plays because he missed easier reads earlier in the play. That stuff happens to every QB in every game, but it's a bit more glaring in this game given Purdy's early struggles.
To my eyes, Purdy seems like a bit of a different guy since the Ravens' game. I'm not sure if that game shook him or what, but he obviously kind of fell apart in that one, even though several of the INTs were bad luck more than glaring errors on his part. Against Washington the next week, he just wasn't as crisp as he usually is. They got it done, because Washington isn't very good, but it wasn't a great game for him IMO. That's part of why I wanted him to have some time in the Rams game in week 18. I thought he still had some jitters he needed to get out. And how we've seen him struggle in the playoff game. Again, some of that is attributable to the weather, but not all of it.
I sure hope he can snap out of it and, with another week of practice and good weather for the game, he can put together a commanding performance this week and dispel the doubts. But man, I'm a lot more nervous heading into this week than I thought I would be, and there's a good chance not only that we lose, but that it's largely because Purdy and the offense can't keep pace with the Lions' offense.
thesack12 wrote:One thing that doesn't get talked about to often regarding Purdy and his strong surrounding cast, is having that type of team around Brock has eliminated the opportunity for him to grow organically and naturally. Because he stepped into a super contender from day 1, he has been expected to not only play solid but to play well and keep the team on track.
Because the 49ers have such a talented roster, Brock isn't allowed to have a bad game, like ever. The perception of him and this team overall, is such that if the 9ers lose its because of the Quarterback regardless. I mean it has to be right, the QB is a 7th round guy with average measureables at best and the rest of the roster is loaded.
People really have the tendency to forgot and look past just how hard it is to play Quarterback in the NFL. A lot of them completely devalue QB play in of itself. Of course it makes things easier for a QB to play within a strong offensive system, have a good supply of weapons, have a strong O-line, etc. But no matter how you want to slice it, the QB was/is/always will be the most important component to a team. Besides, I'm still waiting for somebody to show me a QB who consistently played well while playing within an unfavorable surrounding equation.
If the Quarterback didn't matter and its all system and talent then why hasn't Kyle won a championship at any of his stops?
At the end of the day we are talking about a guy who is only his in 2nd year and is 17-4 as a starter and has now reached the NFCCG in both of his seasons played. That is crazy impressive for anybody.
People are singing the praises of CJ Stroud and Jordan Love and giving them their flowers for their strong seasons. This is all rightfully so, they have been impressive. But Stroud is a rookie who went #2 overall and Love is a 1st round pick in his 3rd year overall and had 2 years of tutelage learning from one of the best to ever do it. Meanwhile Purdy was the literal last pick in the draft. In other words before becoming the starter those other 2 guys have a MUCH higher pedigree than Purdy.
Last season, Brock Purdy was thrown to the wolves and told to sink or swim. Dude has straight up thrived since stepping in.
I guess people just can't get out of their own thoughts when considering Purdy is a 7th round pick, and doesn't have high end measureables. The funny thing is, 9er nation would be jizzing their pants on a daily basis if Trey Lance would of had the same career arc as Brock Purdy has had.
Due to playing for a Super Bowl contender the pressure on Brock Purdy has been massive from jump. But nobody will consider how well he has navigated that with strong play, they will just attribute all of the success to Kyle and the skill position weaponry.
Brock Purdy does not get compared to 2nd year players or even just young players in general. Brock Purdy is graded against HOF caliber expectations.
In regards to can he win the big one conversation, sure there are legit concerns about that. But really, you can ask that question about pretty much every guy.... until they win it. How many times did Peyton Manning fail before getting over the hump? Will Josh Allen ever be able to get over the hump? Etc.
On a related side note, you can say the same about coaches. Look at Andy Reid for example, for the longest time people looked at him as a very good coach but a guy that couldn't win a Lombardi. Well look what happened when he gets in a better situation and better roster (notably at QB). Will Kyle be the next Andy Reid, I sure hope so. We shall see....
CrimsonCrew wrote:Very thorough breakdown of Purdy's game by JTO:
JT gives what I think is a fair assessment of Purdy's performance. As usual, some things aren't as bad as they may have appeared in live action on the broadcast, and other things look worse. One of the concerns for me is not just the wet conditions, but the uncharacteristic jumpiness, poor vision that popped up at times, failure to recognize some fairly straightforward defensive movements. Even on plays that ended well, like the pass to Jennings or the scramble at the end of the game, he was arguably forced to make those great, off-schedule plays because he missed easier reads earlier in the play. That stuff happens to every QB in every game, but it's a bit more glaring in this game given Purdy's early struggles.
To my eyes, Purdy seems like a bit of a different guy since the Ravens' game. I'm not sure if that game shook him or what, but he obviously kind of fell apart in that one, even though several of the INTs were bad luck more than glaring errors on his part. Against Washington the next week, he just wasn't as crisp as he usually is. They got it done, because Washington isn't very good, but it wasn't a great game for him IMO. That's part of why I wanted him to have some time in the Rams game in week 18. I thought he still had some jitters he needed to get out. And how we've seen him struggle in the playoff game. Again, some of that is attributable to the weather, but not all of it.
I sure hope he can snap out of it and, with another week of practice and good weather for the game, he can put together a commanding performance this week and dispel the doubts. But man, I'm a lot more nervous heading into this week than I thought I would be, and there's a good chance not only that we lose, but that it's largely because Purdy and the offense can't keep pace with the Lions' offense.
But if Purdy is going to thrive in the league it'll be because because he's HOF elite in the mental processes of the position because he doesn't have the raw physical talent to fall back on.
Jikkle wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:One thing I'll say that has nothing to do with Purdy is JTO talking about the CMC every single time is getting old. I get it he hates it and I can't say I love it either but he says the same exact thing every single time it pops up and it just slows the pace of his videos way down. Once a video is enough.
Now on to Purdy. I agreed with his assessment for the most part. I didn't really see what he saw on that Purdy sack where he said he could get it to Kittle though. Didn't seem like he had a chance to throw the ball and he might've risked it getting stripped if he did.
I also don't blame Purdy for the end of the half stuff because if I had to bet Kyle wanted him to be conservative and just get in better field goal range. It was clear Kyle was playing for a FG so I'd imagine he was in his ear to take the easy throws.
It is a bit concerning that Purdy isn't quite as mentally sharp as he's been in the past and I don't know if the ghost of the Raven's game still haunts him or if the weather was in his head or maybe a little of both. It just feels like he needs that one great game throwing the ball to get himself back on track and the Lions might be what the doctor ordered.
But if Purdy is going to thrive in the league it'll be because because he's HOF elite in the mental processes of the position because he doesn't have the raw physical talent to fall back on.
I will say because he's been performing at such a high level mentally it has been easy to forget that this is his second year and he only has a season and a half of games under his belt so there is still a lot of mental growth to be had as he gains an even greater understanding of the things defense throws at him and of Shanahan's offense.
I am glad he had that game winning drive as that's kind hung over his head for a while in having that signature game winning drive you can point to as him being clutch. Also I did think that drive he started to get a lot of his mojo back so let's hope that's something he carries over to the Lions.
CharityStripe34 wrote:The elephant in the room about the Packers game is that Kyle let Purdy down a lot of the time. Both in preparation and (sometimes) play calling. Kyle during the season can be aggressive and likes to try and dictate the terms to the defense, but he was the exact opposite this game because the team seemed (key word) woefully unprepared for a rainy/soggy day. That end of the first half clock/game management was straight up hot garbage. Especially since the offense literally just caught momentum with a great TD drive.
CharityStripe34 wrote:It was straight up malpractice. You can't have your cake and eat it too. They likely could've scored on that drive, taken a 14-6 lead with maybe, IDK, 1 minute left for GB to try and answer? He wanted to get a FG attempt with 3 seconds left. What makes it even more egregious is that he KNEW they were starting with the ball after halftime.
The playoffs are not where you are fearful of the opposition, especially when you know you're the more talented team. Dan Campbell is aggressive and will take every chance he can to gain an advantage. I think in his press conference he even said "yeah, I want them to take chances for the reward" or something to that effect.
I think that Brock will be fine: no rain in the forecast and all his weapons playing. With their weak pass defense I think he will have at least a very productive game.wco81 wrote:Well all the scrutiny will be on Purdy. The other QBs this weekend were all FRPs, though Lamar was chosen at the end of the first round.
But no doubt, if their draft classes were redrafted, Mahomes and Lamar would be at the top of their drafts.
Brock doesn't have that pedigree. He's been productive and as far as his weapons being a crutch for him not being able to develop organically, remember that he was pressed into service because of injuries on the team last season and then has mostly killed it since.
He may end up being a high-end version of someone like Mullens, a very good decision maker without the arm talent but has great anticipation, at least most of the times so far in his career.
