Heat vs Grizz - 24th January @ 7:30PM - The Rozier debut??

[twix2500]

My bet is Herro will run point and Rozier will play the corner

Your going to ruin my evening with this comment, specially if I catch this happening in the game, I will curse you for pointing this out.

Herro will have 10 fga by the end of the 1st

[IceColdCubano]

My bet is Herro will run point and Rozier will play the corner

Your going to ruin my evening with this comment, specially if I catch this happening in the game, I will curse you for pointing this out.

Herro will have 10 fga by the end of the 1st

Your not making this any better, and I am not here for such curses, spraying holy water on your post.

The ghost of Klay Thompson will enter Tyler Herro tonight and he will have a very efficient low FGA night.....please

[insfo]

The plays/system/gameplan will not be set in game 1, but what we can see is the potential in how things can work when everyone has practiced and played a few games. I'm sure we'll hear the constant bickering about Tyler taking too many shots or Bam not taking enough or Jimmy coasting etc, but will be interesting to see the Rozier fit in certain sets we already run, or new wrinkles we start seeing. Not going to be bothered one bit about the shot distribution today, but I'm sure that will be a big point of focus for some of you

[Wiltside]

Your going to ruin my evening with this comment, specially if I catch this happening in the game, I will curse you for pointing this out.

Herro will have 10 fga by the end of the 1st

Your not making this any better, and I am not here for such curses, spraying holy water on your post.

The ghost of Klay Thompson will enter Tyler Herro tonight and he will have a very efficient low FGA night.....please

Klay Thompson average FGA throughout his career: 16.2
Tyler Herro average FGA throughout his career: 15.1

I have no issue at all with Tyler taking 15+ shots a night. He's one of our better scorers, we need him to shoot. The issue is how he's being utilised. He's not finishing in the paint well this season, and isn't getting to the line. It also feels like he's taking a lot of contested, pull-up J's.

I'm hoping we can simplify the game for him, get him moving side to side, get him off curl's as a catch and shoot guy, hell run some Ray Allen or Wayne Ellington sets for him. He's a good shooter on the move when he has space, and he's a good catch and shoot player. We need to get him off ball a little more and free him up.

[HeatingUp3]

Scart Terry time. Lets GO!

[AirP.]

Herro will have 10 fga by the end of the 1st

Your not making this any better, and I am not here for such curses, spraying holy water on your post.

The ghost of Klay Thompson will enter Tyler Herro tonight and he will have a very efficient low FGA night.....please

Klay Thompson average FGA throughout his career: 16.2
Tyler Herro average FGA throughout his career: 15.1

I have no issue at all with Tyler taking 15+ shots a night. He's one of our better scorers, we need him to shoot. The issue is how he's being utilised. He's not finishing in the paint well this season, and isn't getting to the line. It also feels like he's taking a lot of contested, pull-up J's.

I'm hoping we can simplify the game for him, get him moving side to side, get him off curl's as a catch and shoot guy, hell run some Ray Allen or Wayne Ellington sets for him. He's a good shooter on the move when he has space, and he's a good catch and shoot player. We need to get him off ball a little more and free him up.

He's usually in the lower half of the team in TS% meaning he's less efficient overall. People remember all the scoring in bursts or the points because he's taking more shots then everyone else but completely forget all the horrific quarters/halves/games that makes the team having a hole to dig out of. I have no issue saying he can get hot and hit a bunch of shots but he can go cold and refuses to stop shooting, this is where the role of being a 6th man comes into play, the coach can throttle their shots much better by limiting their minutes in a quarter/half/game. If the scoring 6th man isn't on you pull him out, if he's on you can sometimes let the starters get more of a rest which really helps a team.

Klay Thompson is part of the greatest shooting backcourt of all time, he had a stretch of 4 seasons of over 59% TS% while being a great defender meaning he probably could have been even more efficient had he been able to rest more on defense.

[Wiltside]

Your not making this any better, and I am not here for such curses, spraying holy water on your post.

The ghost of Klay Thompson will enter Tyler Herro tonight and he will have a very efficient low FGA night.....please

Klay Thompson average FGA throughout his career: 16.2
Tyler Herro average FGA throughout his career: 15.1

I have no issue at all with Tyler taking 15+ shots a night. He's one of our better scorers, we need him to shoot. The issue is how he's being utilised. He's not finishing in the paint well this season, and isn't getting to the line. It also feels like he's taking a lot of contested, pull-up J's.

I'm hoping we can simplify the game for him, get him moving side to side, get him off curl's as a catch and shoot guy, hell run some Ray Allen or Wayne Ellington sets for him. He's a good shooter on the move when he has space, and he's a good catch and shoot player. We need to get him off ball a little more and free him up.

He's usually in the lower half of the team in TS% meaning he's less efficient overall. People remember all the scoring in bursts or the points because he's taking more shots then everyone else but completely forget all the horrific quarters/halves/games that makes the team having a hole to dig out of. I have no issue saying he can get hot and hit a bunch of shots but he can go cold and refuses to stop shooting, this is where the role of being a 6th man comes into play, the coach can throttle their shots much better by limiting their minutes in a quarter/half/game. If the scoring 6th man isn't on you pull him out, if he's on you can sometimes let the starters get more of a rest which really helps a team.

That's also out of necessity though. We've had long stretches of Jimmy missing time, Kyle refusing to be actively engaged offensively, rotating low opportunity/shot creation players in Highsmith and Jovic, Jaquez now missing time...we've basically had to throw the ball to Tyler and tell him to get us a bucket. I don't think that's the way he's best used.

I also think there's some recency bias with Duncan coming into play. I'm happy as hell that he's earning his money and rediscovered his mojo, but he's also inconsistent and prone to disappearing too. He's also like 7 years older than Tyler. I think Tyler is a better player than these scoring 6th man types people are referencing like Malik Monk or Cam Thomas - his game is more diverse than just shooting, he's probably our best lob thrower and has an underrated passing game. He's a starter in this league - the question I see for him is how do we make him (and subsequently the team) more efficient? I think it's getting him off ball more. Rozier should help take a lot of pressure off him to be the lone guy to create when Jimmy is out or coasting.

[AirP.]

Spoiler:

Klay Thompson average FGA throughout his career: 16.2
Tyler Herro average FGA throughout his career: 15.1

I have no issue at all with Tyler taking 15+ shots a night. He's one of our better scorers, we need him to shoot. The issue is how he's being utilised. He's not finishing in the paint well this season, and isn't getting to the line. It also feels like he's taking a lot of contested, pull-up J's.

I'm hoping we can simplify the game for him, get him moving side to side, get him off curl's as a catch and shoot guy, hell run some Ray Allen or Wayne Ellington sets for him. He's a good shooter on the move when he has space, and he's a good catch and shoot player. We need to get him off ball a little more and free him up.

Spoiler:

He's usually in the lower half of the team in TS% meaning he's less efficient overall. People remember all the scoring in bursts or the points because he's taking more shots then everyone else but completely forget all the horrific quarters/halves/games that makes the team having a hole to dig out of. I have no issue saying he can get hot and hit a bunch of shots but he can go cold and refuses to stop shooting, this is where the role of being a 6th man comes into play, the coach can throttle their shots much better by limiting their minutes in a quarter/half/game. If the scoring 6th man isn't on you pull him out, if he's on you can sometimes let the starters get more of a rest which really helps a team.

That's also out of necessity though. We've had long stretches of Jimmy missing time, Kyle refusing to be actively engaged offensively, rotating low opportunity/shot creation players in Highsmith and Jovic, Jaquez now missing time...we've basically had to throw the ball to Tyler and tell him to get us a bucket. I don't think that's the way he's best used.

I also think there's some recency bias with Duncan coming into play. I'm happy as hell that he's earning his money and rediscovered his mojo, but he's also inconsistent and prone to disappearing too. He's also like 7 years older than Tyler. I think Tyler is a better player than these scoring 6th man types people are referencing like Malik Monk or Cam Thomas - his game is more diverse than just shooting, he's probably our best lob thrower and has an underrated passing game. He's a starter in this league - the question I see for him is how do we make him (and subsequently the team) more efficient? I think it's getting him off ball more. Rozier should help take a lot of pressure off him to be the lone guy to create when Jimmy is out or coasting.

Did I miss where Herro has been out and this team couldn't score at with everyone else healthy because I can look at the playoffs year after year and see that's not the case or the 15+ regular season games he misses a year they "magically" can score well some games? It's not out of necessity... holy **** the excuses. You'd expect anytime Herro is out this team couldn't score 90 points the way some people talk about him. He's got skills but he also has an ego that pushes him to do more then he should and that is probably his whole issue outside of defense (which when he gives good effort he can be acceptable on that end).

I would love to see Herro take more 3s than 2s and put up a near 60% TS% and really help this team since he's such a great outside shot.

[Wiltside]

He's usually in the lower half of the team in TS% meaning he's less efficient overall. People remember all the scoring in bursts or the points because he's taking more shots then everyone else but completely forget all the horrific quarters/halves/games that makes the team having a hole to dig out of. I have no issue saying he can get hot and hit a bunch of shots but he can go cold and refuses to stop shooting, this is where the role of being a 6th man comes into play, the coach can throttle their shots much better by limiting their minutes in a quarter/half/game. If the scoring 6th man isn't on you pull him out, if he's on you can sometimes let the starters get more of a rest which really helps a team.

That's also out of necessity though. We've had long stretches of Jimmy missing time, Kyle refusing to be actively engaged offensively, rotating low opportunity/shot creation players in Highsmith and Jovic, Jaquez now missing time...we've basically had to throw the ball to Tyler and tell him to get us a bucket. I don't think that's the way he's best used.

I also think there's some recency bias with Duncan coming into play. I'm happy as hell that he's earning his money and rediscovered his mojo, but he's also inconsistent and prone to disappearing too. He's also like 7 years older than Tyler. I think Tyler is a better player than these scoring 6th man types people are referencing like Malik Monk or Cam Thomas - his game is more diverse than just shooting, he's probably our best lob thrower and has an underrated passing game. He's a starter in this league - the question I see for him is how do we make him (and subsequently the team) more efficient? I think it's getting him off ball more. Rozier should help take a lot of pressure off him to be the lone guy to create when Jimmy is out or coasting.

Did I miss where Herro has been out and this team couldn't score at with everyone else healthy because I can look at the playoffs year after year and see that's not the case or the 15+ regular season games he misses a year they "magically" can score well some games? It's not out of necessity... holy **** the excuses. You'd expect anytime Herro is out this team couldn't score 90 points the way some people talk about him.

What are you going to do - throw the ball to Lowry or JRich and say "take us home"? Neither of these dudes are up for it at this stage in their careers to be night in, night out offensive threats and creators. We suffer from the worst PG play in the league. What choice do we have but to give the rock to Herro and ask him to cook, for better or worse?

Herro isn't perfect and I'm not looking to make excuses for his play. He can and should be better. But he cops a HUGE amount of the blame when this team underperforms, when I don't see it as something that's solely his fault. It's poor roster construction and a lack of offensive creativity that leads us to overly rely on him for things we shouldn't be asking him to do. He's a good player, but he's not a 1A offensive option.

[AirP.]

Spoiler:

That's also out of necessity though. We've had long stretches of Jimmy missing time, Kyle refusing to be actively engaged offensively, rotating low opportunity/shot creation players in Highsmith and Jovic, Jaquez now missing time...we've basically had to throw the ball to Tyler and tell him to get us a bucket. I don't think that's the way he's best used.

I also think there's some recency bias with Duncan coming into play. I'm happy as hell that he's earning his money and rediscovered his mojo, but he's also inconsistent and prone to disappearing too. He's also like 7 years older than Tyler. I think Tyler is a better player than these scoring 6th man types people are referencing like Malik Monk or Cam Thomas - his game is more diverse than just shooting, he's probably our best lob thrower and has an underrated passing game. He's a starter in this league - the question I see for him is how do we make him (and subsequently the team) more efficient? I think it's getting him off ball more. Rozier should help take a lot of pressure off him to be the lone guy to create when Jimmy is out or coasting.

Spoiler:

Did I miss where Herro has been out and this team couldn't score at with everyone else healthy because I can look at the playoffs year after year and see that's not the case or the 15+ regular season games he misses a year they "magically" can score well some games? It's not out of necessity... holy **** the excuses. You'd expect anytime Herro is out this team couldn't score 90 points the way some people talk about him.

What are you going to do - throw the ball to Lowry or JRich and say "take us home"? Neither of these dudes are up for it at this stage in their careers to be night in, night out offensive threats and creators. We suffer from the worst PG play in the league. What choice do we have but to give the rock to Herro and ask him to cook, for better or worse?

Herro isn't perfect and I'm not looking to make excuses for his play. He can and should be better. But he cops a HUGE amount of the blame when this team underperforms, when I don't see it as something that's solely his fault. It's poor roster construction and a lack of offensive creativity that leads us to overly rely on him for things we shouldn't be asking him to do. He's a good player, but he's not a 1A offensive option.

Take us home? That's an end of a game thing, not a nearly 20 fga throughout a game thing. A player shooting that much should be a dominate scorer or just be the best scorer on a team with little to no offensive talent.

Why does he take a huge amount of the blame, it's because he hunts for his own shots and with that takes some of the other players out of the flow of the game not to mention players playing tough defense while Herro usually doesn't and then watch him jack some shots. Once again, the team doesn't just tank offensively when Herro is out, they're not great but they seem to figure out where to get points still. I wish I had better stats of combinations, not just of what they do together but what they do individually with certain players on the court. There's a reason why his calculated ORTG is so low each year for a team that's at least middle of the road in the regular season.

All this said, I'm expecting to see a big Herro night since I mentioned this, just like when I went to watch Miami in OKC last year and he had those back to back huge games in OKC and Houston.

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[eddieheatfan]

i'm excited lets gooo

[MettaWorldPanda]

Rozier is going to add so much flair and swag to this offense.

[Wiltside]

They're classifying Jaquez's injury as a hamstring one, not groin? Is it the same injury, or a new one?

[SerialChiller]

I wonder if he will be super passive to start out not wanting to step on anyone's toes. I kinda think he's gonna play his game and be aggressive because that's just who he is, but initially it's something to look for. Spo mentioned him making a point to him that he doesn't have to be ball dominant here.

[Wiltside]

I wonder if he will be super passive to start out not wanting to step on anyone's toes. I kinda think he's gonna play his game and be aggressive because that's just who he is, but initially it's something to look for. Spo mentioned him making a point to him that he doesn't have to be ball dominant here.

Always a bit awkward first game up. I remember Gogi's first Heat game and I don't think he scored a bucket until the 2nd quarter or something. Then the nerves started to settle down.

I think they'll try get him going early to get him feeling good about himself.

[MettaWorldPanda]

They're classifying Jaquez's injury as a hamstring one, not groin? Is it the same injury, or a new one?

Probably the same injury. Takes a good 2-3 weeks for that to heal

[Wiltside]

They're classifying Jaquez's injury as a hamstring one, not groin? Is it the same injury, or a new one?

Probably the same injury. Takes a good 2-3 weeks for that to heal

Yeah most likely. I wonder if he's going to participate in the dunk contest, or give it a miss? If he's suffering from hamstring/groin issues, might be best to skip it....

Looking forward to him coming back. Amazing how quickly he's made himself indispensable and a crucial part of what we do.