Miami Heat 2024 Regular Season - Thread 4.0

[marson]

Yeah saw Bam mention this about playing pickup with Terry. We all want aggressive Scary Terry that can drop a 50 piece. Got to give him the ball and let him do his thing.

How’s that gonna work if you have him, Tyler and Jimmy starting

It can if Herro just gets out the way and looks to hit open shots instead of trying to handle ball and over pass or drive to the rim when it’s packed

The issue lies in the fact that it's not Tyler Herro's game. Just as KD mentioned, it will require a complete off-season for him to acclimate to such a role. The emphasis now is on maximizing strengths, and in 2022, serving as the sixth man while leading the bench propelled us to the first seed.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Royce O’Neale at 6’6 226-230 is built like a Crowder type and can also shoot the 3. Also has a 6’10 wingspan. He could be our bandage answer.

[twix2500]

Look at the Heats shot chart. Average everywhere great nowhere

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[Enso]

What about Doug McDermott or cedi osman

[twix2500]

This team has no identity. It can't hang its hat on nothing. Greatness wins chips not a team that's just good at everything

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[MettaWorldPanda]

How’s that gonna work if you have him, Tyler and Jimmy starting

It can if Herro just gets out the way and looks to hit open shots instead of trying to handle ball and over pass or drive to the rim when it’s packed

The issue lies in the fact that it's not Tyler Herro's game. Just as KD mentioned, it will require a complete off-season for him to acclimate to such a role. The emphasis now is on maximizing strengths, and in 2022, serving as the sixth man while leading the bench propelled us to the first seed.

Listen i’m not opposed to it. Depending how things play out maybe it does happen. I mean bench or starting Herro is still going to be on the floor with Rozier

[Wiltside]

Royce O’Neale at 6’6 226-230 is built like a Crowder type and can also shoot the 3. Also has a 6’10 wingspan. He could be our bandage answer.

This is it. This is the guy.

Doesn't need the rock. Defends at a high level. Shoots the 3 confidently and at a solid clip and volume. Sneaky good passer too.

Not sure what he's going to cost, might be something we don't like, but Brooklyn looks like they want to make some changes and O'Neale fits us like a glove.

[MettaWorldPanda]

What about Doug McDermott or cedi osman

McDermott not much of a defender. Would rather a dog like O’Neale

[Enso]

It can if Herro just gets out the way and looks to hit open shots instead of trying to handle ball and over pass or drive to the rim when it’s packed

Too many players who want to be at the top of the key

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Spo enables this too though. He needs to consolidate the offense .

Yeah like 3ammy3uck3ts also pointed out before thats what I saw tonight as well. Offense looked like a free for all with no clear direction or go to plays when things went wrong. Thats on spo and the staff there’s gotta be more direction and clear roles.

[Wiltside]

I don't think Herro off the bench is the panacea that everyone here seems to think. He's going to still be playing with our other stars, and he's going to still have his hands on the rock a lot. His game style wouldn't change just because he's coming off the bench.

Getting Terry on ball more will free up Tyler. Getting Jimmy more aggressive and handling more will free up Tyler. Getting Bam more touches in his sweet spots will also free up Tyler. We need to take the ball out of his hands from a shot creation standpoint and get some fluidity back in our offensive sets by running it through Jimmy and Bam. Work inside out.

Way too much overpassing, or missing easy reads, or overdribbing. The whole team is guilty of it, not just Herro.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

What’s realistic for Royce and DFS separately and as a package deal?

[Wiltside]

What about Doug McDermott or cedi osman

Neither can defend, and both are just lesser versions of Duncan basically.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Royce O’Neale at 6’6 226-230 is built like a Crowder type and can also shoot the 3. Also has a 6’10 wingspan. He could be our bandage answer.

This is it. This is the guy.

Doesn't need the rock. Defends at a high level. Shoots the 3 confidently and at a solid clip and volume. Sneaky good passer too.

Not sure what he's going to cost, might be something we don't like, but Brooklyn looks like they want to make some changes and O'Neale fits us like a glove.

His salary is 9.5 million. They probably want at least a 2nd rd pick for him. Here goes a perfect salary match deal

Miami gets

PF Royce O’Neale
PG Dennis Smith Jr

In 11.5 million

BK gets

SF Caleb Martin
C Thomas Bryant
PG Dru Smith

In 11.1 million

[Enso]

I don't think Herro off the bench is the panacea that everyone here seems to think. He's going to still be playing with our other stars, and he's going to still have his hands on the rock a lot. His game style wouldn't change just because he's coming off the bench.

Getting Terry on ball more will free up Tyler. Getting Jimmy more aggressive and handling more will free up Tyler. Getting Bam more touches in his sweet spots will also free up Tyler. We need to take the ball out of his hands from a shot creation standpoint and get some fluidity back in our offensive sets by running it through Jimmy and Bam. Work inside out.

Way too much overpassing, or missing easy reads, or overdribbing. The whole team is guilty of it, not just Herro.

I guess why herro is such a scapegoat is when our offense looks bad and he’s dribbling out the shot clock with some kind of bailout shot we gotta take out our frustrations on someone

[Wiltside]

What’s realistic for Royce and DFS separately and as a package deal?

Looks like DFS has 3 years left? Not sure we want that contract.

Either way I think you're probably seeing either Duncan and Caleb as goners in that scenario.

[Enso]

What about Doug McDermott or cedi osman

Neither can defend, and both are just lesser versions of Duncan basically.

Haven’t seen cedi much but I feel like McDermott can play the 4 better than Duncan but at that point just play JJJ I guess

[MettaWorldPanda]

What’s realistic for Royce and DFS separately and as a package deal?

Royce, DFS, Dennis Smith Jr equal 25.4 million

Duncan and Martin equal 24.9

[Wiltside]

Royce O’Neale at 6’6 226-230 is built like a Crowder type and can also shoot the 3. Also has a 6’10 wingspan. He could be our bandage answer.

This is it. This is the guy.

Doesn't need the rock. Defends at a high level. Shoots the 3 confidently and at a solid clip and volume. Sneaky good passer too.

Not sure what he's going to cost, might be something we don't like, but Brooklyn looks like they want to make some changes and O'Neale fits us like a glove.

His salary is 9.5 million. They probably want at least a 2nd rd pick for him. Here goes a perfect salary match deal

Miami gets

PF Royce O’Neale
PG Dennis Smith Jr

In 11.5 million

BK gets

SF Caleb Martin
C Thomas Bryant
PG Dru Smith

In 11.1 million

I like this deal. Smith is a solid defender and PG, even if his outside shot is a bit whiffy. That can be masked somewhat by playing alongside Duncan, Jaquez, Highsmith and Love who are all good or respectable outside shooters.

Rozier / Smith Jr / Hampton
Herro / Robinson / Swider
Butler / Jaquez / Cain
O'Neale / Highsmith / Jovic
Adebayo / Love / O.Robinson

Looks a bit more balanced to me. I think Jaquez's emergence has made Caleb expendable. As much as I like Caleb and he's a great development story for us, I can't see a way for us to pay him what he's earned this offseason. Best to utilise his value and shore up weak spots in the lineup.

[MettaWorldPanda]

This is it. This is the guy.

Doesn't need the rock. Defends at a high level. Shoots the 3 confidently and at a solid clip and volume. Sneaky good passer too.

Not sure what he's going to cost, might be something we don't like, but Brooklyn looks like they want to make some changes and O'Neale fits us like a glove.

His salary is 9.5 million. They probably want at least a 2nd rd pick for him. Here goes a perfect salary match deal

Miami gets

PF Royce O’Neale
PG Dennis Smith Jr

In 11.5 million

BK gets

SF Caleb Martin
C Thomas Bryant
PG Dru Smith

In 11.1 million

I like this deal. Smith is a solid defender and PG, even if his outside shot is a bit whiffy. That can be masked somewhat by playing alongside Duncan, Jaquez, Highsmith and Love who are all good or respectable outside shooters.

Rozier / Smith Jr / Hampton
Herro / Robinson / Swider
Butler / Jaquez / Cain
O'Neale / Highsmith / Jovic
Adebayo / Love / O.Robinson

Looks a bit more balanced to me. I think Jaquez's emergence has made Caleb expendable. As much as I like Caleb and he's a great development story for us, I can't see a way for us to pay him what he's earned this offseason. Best to utilise his value and shore up weak spots in the lineup.

I really really like this deal too. Probably the most realistic deal involving Caleb and the other spare parts that truly makes sense. And we get a backup PG to boot.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

What’s realistic for Royce and DFS separately and as a package deal?

Royce, DFS, Dennis Smith Jr equal 25.4 million

Duncan and Martin equal 24.9

You’re likely sending a combination of Jovic, a 1st, and/or a 2nd imo too. Just basing it out the Nets reportedly wanting 2 1sts for DFS which they obviously won’t get.