2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas, Part 3

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it makes sense though...his minutes are still pretty shaky...and you can make an argument McBride is giving you more valuable minutes than Grimes right now. Also just a numbers game...if you acquire a guard that will require 20 minutes a night off the bench...its most likely going to be Grimes effected in that role...so if you just keep him his value will just continue to go down with even a smaller role on the team.

He only has 1 more club option year after this. If you are trying to improve the bench he is most likely to get traded IMO.

It makes sense, especially since Thibs is determined to get Hart 28 minutes per night. But Grimes is the young guy I've least wanted to part with. I think it's just a matter of finding a better scheme fit to unlock his jumper and first step, even if the rest of his tools aren't so great. He can knock down jumpers over pretty decent closeouts when he's on, and that can be incredibly valuable combined with his defense.

Just another young dude where I can see him improving quickly as soon as he's out of this situation.

[cgf]

meh I watched with my eyes Grimes is too small to guard guys like Tatum and Butler...it is what it is. ISO numbers are fine but doesn't tell you who he was guarding...most of the time its perimeter players...I just think trying to have him guard wings is where you can get into trouble...thats not his strong suit.

Grimes is a very good POA defender...but wings size gives him trouble because he is best guarding 1's and 2's.

I don't disagree...thus the "OG's an obvious upgrade" line...just feel like Grimes is getting dumped on a lot lately and wanted to remind me people that we didn't just overhype the kid over nothing, he was very good last season despite being put in situations where he had to guard guys that were bigger than him, like Tatum and Butler.

thats fair....Grimes is solid...and a really solid defender. He is just way to inconsistent especially with his shooter.

And its just a numbers game...we need a guard that can score and create off the bench...that is not him or Mcbride...but Grimes probably carriers more value where we might not need to move much else along with Fournier to get an upgrade there.

I just feel like it doesn't make sense to move our second best perimeter defender for a guy we can afford with one of our less juicy FRPs, unless a team valued Grimes way more than they would the 24 NYK FRP or any of our protected FRPs from other teams.

Stuff happens. DDV is a career 31.2% 3pt shooter in the playoffs, if that's what he shoots for us, then all of a sudden his defensive limitations wouldn't be worth it. Or injuries, if Hart or DDV went down, having Grimes around, would be way more useful than having two picks in this draft that people are comparing to the worst classes in recent memory.

We need another creator, but I'd rather use some of our draft capital to address that. Our pick surplus is our position of strength now, not our depth.

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Hopefully this is turns out just like the IQ stuff did last year

[KnixinSix]

Embiid is the target. He’s going to ask out. Randle, Mitch and picks will be the trade. Randle probably knows. It’s why he left CAA.

This might be it. It could be that they pretty much got the 'green light' from Embiid that if they don't win it all this year he is going to ask to be traded to us. He has already planted the seed about asking out in the media if Philly can't get over the hump.

OG was a huge building block piece for a championship roster. Thats why they got OG.

Mitchell has done the same thing just in in different ways. Cleveland would have had two years now to do something with him. Hed be on the last year of his deal. That team is nice but they aren't beating Celts, Bucks etc in the playoffs. He also probably would do the same.

Julius is a monster headliner in any trade you make for a Superstar because teams normally dont get that type of caliber player back. A 25/8/5 guy don't grow on trees. And he is on a very manageable deal.

It would take a total emptying of the treasure chest but we have enough picks between all our own and the ones we acquired and using Randle, Mitchell Robinson and Grimes to possibly pull of both.

Randle, Sims, Salary filler, 4-5FRPs for Embiid

Mitchell Robinson, Grimes , whoever we pickup at deadline, rights to Jokas, 3FRPs for Donovan Mitchell

This postseason will change a lot, as it always does in the NBA.

If Embiid pulls a Jokic and is just too dominant for anyone to stop Philly, then he won't go anywhere. If the 6ers get punked in round 1 by us or the heat, then he'll probably ask out. If the Suns stay healthy and go on a roll that's only ended in the WCF or finals, then booker won't go anywhere, but if they sputter to an embarrassing finish, then the kid could get sick of carrying the oldies & ask out.

If Julius lays another egg this summer then he'll cement himself as DeRozan 2.0, but if Julius can build on the 53% TS he scored at against the heat and delivers this spring like he is right now in the regular season, then he becomes the juiciest centerpiece that has been offered for a superstar in recent memory or he cements himself as a keeper.

For all we know Donte will go back to shooting 31.2% from 3 in the playoffs while teams exploit his defense to the point that he becomes almost unplayable, forcing Grimes back into major minutes only with the kid being ready to shoot like he normally does, while avoiding getting banged up.

And we could do this with pretty much every player on the team and every star we're targeting. Like everyone's talking about how the Cavs are playing better without Garland, but what if the Cavs are just playing better, so that...like Lavine's return only made the Bulls better...DG getting back lets the Cavs reach an even higher level and they go on a run to the ECF? Will Spida turn down the bonkers extension that Cleveland would offer him then?

Good stuff and agree with almost all of it. The one thing about Donovan is his heart is in NewYork more than almost any potential guy out there. He wants to play here bad. Short of Cleveland going to the finals it would be hard to see him not wanting to come here. Would further cements that fact is now we have OG our team would be easily better with him than Cleveland (even in the event if we didn't get another star and kept Randle).

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it makes sense though...his minutes are still pretty shaky...and you can make an argument McBride is giving you more valuable minutes than Grimes right now. Also just a numbers game...if you acquire a guard that will require 20 minutes a night off the bench...its most likely going to be Grimes effected in that role...so if you just keep him his value will just continue to go down with even a smaller role on the team.

He only has 1 more club option year after this. If you are trying to improve the bench he is most likely to get traded IMO.

It makes sense, especially since Thibs is determined to get Hart 28 minutes per night. But Grimes is the young guy I've least wanted to part with. I think it's just a matter of finding a better scheme fit to unlock his jumper and first step, even if the rest of his tools aren't so great. He can knock down jumpers over pretty decent closeouts when he's on, and that can be incredibly valuable combined with his defense.

Just another young dude where I can see him improving quickly as soon as he's out of this situation.

fair, its just interesting that DD goes into the starting lineup and still can get his shots up...and then after the trade we move a couple ball handlers and perimeter players and he still can't find much in terms of shots and increase in minutes.

I feel this was Grimes knock in college too...can get raging hot but lacks consistency. I think, right or wrong, especially for thibs, he values consistency and that is why they are looking for more of vet combo guard that he trusts more in the playoffs.

As much as Hart frustrates me sometimes you see especially late in games why Thibs trusts him...he has a knack for making the play when its needed.

We just need more scoring off the bench...and at least it looks like McBride can fill that other extra guard role pretty similarly to what Grimes has been doing.

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But not how the IQ stuff turned out this year.

[KnixinSix]

I don't disagree...thus the "OG's an obvious upgrade" line...just feel like Grimes is getting dumped on a lot lately and wanted to remind me people that we didn't just overhype the kid over nothing, he was very good last season despite being put in situations where he had to guard guys that were bigger than him, like Tatum and Butler.

thats fair....Grimes is solid...and a really solid defender. He is just way to inconsistent especially with his shooter.

And its just a numbers game...we need a guard that can score and create off the bench...that is not him or Mcbride...but Grimes probably carriers more value where we might not need to move much else along with Fournier to get an upgrade there.

I just feel like it doesn't make sense to move our second best perimeter defender for a guy we can afford with one of our less juicy FRPs, unless a team valued Grimes way more than they would the 24 NYK FRP or any of our protected FRPs from other teams.

Stuff happens. DDV is a career 31.2% 3pt shooter in the playoffs, if that's what he shoots for us, then all of a sudden his defensive limitations wouldn't be worth it. Or injuries, if Hart or DDV went down, having Grimes around who Thibs has trusted with big minutes in the playoffs before, would be way more useful than having two picks in this draft that people are comparing to the worst classes in recent memory.

We need another creator, but I'd rather use some of our draft capital to address that. Our pick surplus is our position of strength now, not our depth.

I just think they will consider his skillset just too redundant at that point. Granted his D might be better than the other guy we bring in but between the addition of OG, the improved play of McBride, the excellent play of DDV, and finally with the combo guard they bring in, they probably feel he is the most expendable while also having half decent trade value.

[mpharris36]

I don't disagree...thus the "OG's an obvious upgrade" line...just feel like Grimes is getting dumped on a lot lately and wanted to remind me people that we didn't just overhype the kid over nothing, he was very good last season despite being put in situations where he had to guard guys that were bigger than him, like Tatum and Butler.

thats fair....Grimes is solid...and a really solid defender. He is just way to inconsistent especially with his shooter.

And its just a numbers game...we need a guard that can score and create off the bench...that is not him or Mcbride...but Grimes probably carriers more value where we might not need to move much else along with Fournier to get an upgrade there.

I just feel like it doesn't make sense to move our second best perimeter defender for a guy we can afford with one of our less juicy FRPs, unless a team valued Grimes way more than they would the 24 NYK FRP or any of our protected FRPs from other teams.

Stuff happens. DDV is a career 31.2% 3pt shooter in the playoffs, if that's what he shoots for us, then all of a sudden his defensive limitations wouldn't be worth it. Or injuries, if Hart or DDV went down, having Grimes around, would be way more useful than having two picks in this draft that people are comparing to the worst classes in recent memory.

We need another creator, but I'd rather use some of our draft capital to address that. Our pick surplus is our position of strength now, not our depth.

again your not addressing the factor of when we acquire that additional shot creator what happens to Grimes minutes? If he plays a very limited role even less than right now (situational)...what really are we valuing Grimes, insurance?...at that point you probably value a future 1st over grimes because that pick last longer than Grimes rookie contract which comes to an end after the following season.

[KnixinSix]

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No way to match salaries even with trading BOTH Mitchell Robinson and Fournier. I dont think the money adds up unless we can combine TPEs and stuff.

[Deeeez Knicks]

If we can trade Fournier for a contract with an extra year, get a pick, keep Grimes...let Grimes and Deuce get minutes. That actually might not be a bad fall back plan. It would put us in a better position for that superstar trade

[cgf]

This might be it. It could be that they pretty much got the 'green light' from Embiid that if they don't win it all this year he is going to ask to be traded to us. He has already planted the seed about asking out in the media if Philly can't get over the hump.

OG was a huge building block piece for a championship roster. Thats why they got OG.

Mitchell has done the same thing just in in different ways. Cleveland would have had two years now to do something with him. Hed be on the last year of his deal. That team is nice but they aren't beating Celts, Bucks etc in the playoffs. He also probably would do the same.

Julius is a monster headliner in any trade you make for a Superstar because teams normally dont get that type of caliber player back. A 25/8/5 guy don't grow on trees. And he is on a very manageable deal.

It would take a total emptying of the treasure chest but we have enough picks between all our own and the ones we acquired and using Randle, Mitchell Robinson and Grimes to possibly pull of both.

Randle, Sims, Salary filler, 4-5FRPs for Embiid

Mitchell Robinson, Grimes , whoever we pickup at deadline, rights to Jokas, 3FRPs for Donovan Mitchell

This postseason will change a lot, as it always does in the NBA.

If Embiid pulls a Jokic and is just too dominant for anyone to stop Philly, then he won't go anywhere. If the 6ers get punked in round 1 by us or the heat, then he'll probably ask out. If the Suns stay healthy and go on a roll that's only ended in the WCF or finals, then booker won't go anywhere, but if they sputter to an embarrassing finish, then the kid could get sick of carrying the oldies & ask out.

If Julius lays another egg this summer then he'll cement himself as DeRozan 2.0, but if Julius can build on the 53% TS he scored at against the heat and delivers this spring like he is right now in the regular season, then he becomes the juiciest centerpiece that has been offered for a superstar in recent memory or he cements himself as a keeper.

For all we know Donte will go back to shooting 31.2% from 3 in the playoffs while teams exploit his defense to the point that he becomes almost unplayable, forcing Grimes back into major minutes only with the kid being ready to shoot like he normally does, while avoiding getting banged up.

And we could do this with pretty much every player on the team and every star we're targeting. Like everyone's talking about how the Cavs are playing better without Garland, but what if the Cavs are just playing better, so that...like Lavine's return only made the Bulls better...DG getting back lets the Cavs reach an even higher level and they go on a run to the ECF? Will Spida turn down the bonkers extension that Cleveland would offer him then?

Good stuff and agree with almost all of it. The one thing about Donovan is his heart is in NewYork more than almost any potential guy out there. He wants to play here bad. Short of Cleveland going to the finals it would be hard to see him not wanting to come here. Would further cements that fact is now we have OG our team would be easily better with him than Cleveland (even in the event if we didn't get another star and kept Randle).

I've heard this song before. You guys may be 100% right, but I remember how confidently people where reading the tea-leaves with KD, and LeBron, and Jordan.

I get that DM spends his offseasons at home, that when specifically asked about playing in NY said he'd love to...and having spent the summer before my senior year of HS working in a lab at the Cleveland clinic I know exactly how much Cleveland sucks as a city...but until Spida turns down the 5 year 260M+ extension that Cleveland can offer him, I'm not ready to assume that he's deadset on leaving.

Even if I have warmed to the idea of Mitchell being a rich-man's Quickley next to Brunson if we did try to create a modern Rolls-Royce backcourt.

[j4remi]

fair, its just interesting that DD goes into the starting lineup and still can get his shots up...and then after the trade we move a couple ball handlers and perimeter players and he still can't find much in terms of shots and increase in minutes.

I feel this was Grimes knock in college too...can get raging hot but lacks consistency. I think, right or wrong, especially for thibs, he values consistency and that is why they are looking for more of vet combo guard that he trusts more in the playoffs.

As much as Hart frustrates me sometimes you see especially late in games why Thibs trusts him...he has a knack for making the play when its needed.

We just need more scoring off the bench...and at least it looks like McBride can fill that other extra guard role pretty similarly to what Grimes has been doing.

Yeah, I definitely see the justifications on moving on from him. I think we're also finding out that the "Thibs hates rookies" things is less about his personal bias, and more because his scheme is a lot easier for a talented veteran to capitalize on. It's very simple and loose, which means that players have to pick their own spots to make that off-ball cut or call for a screen instead of feeding the lead scorers (which is easier to do if you're a vet with a ring like Donte or OG).

Anecdotally, I've always felt like guys with confidence issues are better suited to schemes with stricter play calls. It gives them less to overthink, and gets them easy looks without putting the onus on them.

The thing about McBride that's really made me happy is that he's willing to demand the screen instead of look to switch the court for Randle/Brunson every time. And he's really crafty about cutting into ball-handlers' sightlines to get the pass for a jumper. He's really crafty despite his limitations, which almost the opposite of Grimes this season (but ironically, it's a lot like Grimes last year).

[KnixinSix]

This postseason will change a lot, as it always does in the NBA.

If Embiid pulls a Jokic and is just too dominant for anyone to stop Philly, then he won't go anywhere. If the 6ers get punked in round 1 by us or the heat, then he'll probably ask out. If the Suns stay healthy and go on a roll that's only ended in the WCF or finals, then booker won't go anywhere, but if they sputter to an embarrassing finish, then the kid could get sick of carrying the oldies & ask out.

If Julius lays another egg this summer then he'll cement himself as DeRozan 2.0, but if Julius can build on the 53% TS he scored at against the heat and delivers this spring like he is right now in the regular season, then he becomes the juiciest centerpiece that has been offered for a superstar in recent memory or he cements himself as a keeper.

For all we know Donte will go back to shooting 31.2% from 3 in the playoffs while teams exploit his defense to the point that he becomes almost unplayable, forcing Grimes back into major minutes only with the kid being ready to shoot like he normally does, while avoiding getting banged up.

And we could do this with pretty much every player on the team and every star we're targeting. Like everyone's talking about how the Cavs are playing better without Garland, but what if the Cavs are just playing better, so that...like Lavine's return only made the Bulls better...DG getting back lets the Cavs reach an even higher level and they go on a run to the ECF? Will Spida turn down the bonkers extension that Cleveland would offer him then?

Good stuff and agree with almost all of it. The one thing about Donovan is his heart is in NewYork more than almost any potential guy out there. He wants to play here bad. Short of Cleveland going to the finals it would be hard to see him not wanting to come here. Would further cements that fact is now we have OG our team would be easily better with him than Cleveland (even in the event if we didn't get another star and kept Randle).

I've heard this song before. You guys may be 100% right, but I remember how confidently people where reading the tea-leaves with KD, and LeBron, and Jordan.

I get that DM spends his offseasons at home, that when specifically asked about playing in NY said he'd love to...and having spent the summer before my senior year of HS working in a lab at the Cleveland clinic I know exactly how much Cleveland sucks as a city...but until Spida turns down the 5 year 260M+ extension that Cleveland can offer him, I'm not ready to assume that he's deadset on leaving.

Even if I have warmed to the idea of Mitchell being a rich-man's Quickley next to Brunson if we did try to create a modern Rolls-Royce backcourt.

I hear you and never say never but I think this one feels different. The amount of time he spends here in the offseason combined with all his explicit as well as implicit quotes indicate he really wants to be here. Again never say never and money talks but in this case short of a Cleveland finals run I think he asks out.

[KnixinSix]

If we can trade Fournier for a contract with an extra year, get a pick, keep Grimes...let Grimes and Deuce get minutes. That actually might not be a bad fall back plan. It would put us in a better position for that superstar trade

Problem is the contract we get back by all indications will be a combo guard of likely better quailty than what Grimes is now.

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fair, its just interesting that DD goes into the starting lineup and still can get his shots up...and then after the trade we move a couple ball handlers and perimeter players and he still can't find much in terms of shots and increase in minutes.

I feel this was Grimes knock in college too...can get raging hot but lacks consistency. I think, right or wrong, especially for thibs, he values consistency and that is why they are looking for more of vet combo guard that he trusts more in the playoffs.

As much as Hart frustrates me sometimes you see especially late in games why Thibs trusts him...he has a knack for making the play when its needed.

We just need more scoring off the bench...and at least it looks like McBride can fill that other extra guard role pretty similarly to what Grimes has been doing.

Yeah, I definitely see the justifications on moving on from him. I think we're also finding out that the "Thibs hates rookies" things is less about his personal bias, and more because his scheme is a lot easier for a talented veteran to capitalize on. It's very simple and loose, which means that players have to pick their own spots to make that off-ball cut or call for a screen instead of feeding the lead scorers (which is easier to do if you're a vet with a ring like Donte or OG).

Anecdotally, I've always felt like guys with confidence issues are better suited to schemes with stricter play calls. It gives them less to overthink, and gets them easy looks without putting the onus on them.

The thing about McBride that's really made me happy is that he's willing to demand the screen instead of look to switch the court for Randle/Brunson every time. And he's really crafty about cutting into ball-handlers' sightlines to get the pass for a jumper. He's really crafty despite his limitations, which almost the opposite of Grimes this season (but ironically, it's a lot like Grimes last year).

yeah I agree I think Grimes would fair much more in a structured offense scheme. Where he knew where his looks were coming from rather than just waiting for other players to kick it out to him and try to capitalize on the few chances he has.

Some players thrive in low usage roles and some just don't. A perfect example of whats going on in OKC...Look at what Aaron Wiggins is doing in his limited role compared to Grimes. Some just thrive off low usage and cutting situations and making the most of there minutes...Grimes struggles with this inconsistent role and while it sucks to potentially move him as long as they are getting better I could understand it.

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thats fair....Grimes is solid...and a really solid defender. He is just way to inconsistent especially with his shooter.

And its just a numbers game...we need a guard that can score and create off the bench...that is not him or Mcbride...but Grimes probably carriers more value where we might not need to move much else along with Fournier to get an upgrade there.

I just feel like it doesn't make sense to move our second best perimeter defender for a guy we can afford with one of our less juicy FRPs, unless a team valued Grimes way more than they would the 24 NYK FRP or any of our protected FRPs from other teams.

Stuff happens. DDV is a career 31.2% 3pt shooter in the playoffs, if that's what he shoots for us, then all of a sudden his defensive limitations wouldn't be worth it. Or injuries, if Hart or DDV went down, having Grimes around, would be way more useful than having two picks in this draft that people are comparing to the worst classes in recent memory.

We need another creator, but I'd rather use some of our draft capital to address that. Our pick surplus is our position of strength now, not our depth.

again your not addressing the factor of when we acquire that additional shot creator what happens to Grimes minutes? If he plays a very limited role even less than right now (situational)...what really are we valuing Grimes, insurance?...at that point you probably value a future 1st over grimes because that pick last longer than Grimes rookie contract which comes to an end after the following season.

No injuries & DDV stays hot, my rotation would be

Brunson 36 | Brogdon 12
DiVincenzo 24 | Grimes 12-14 | Brogdon 10-12
Anunoby 24 | Hart 24
Randle 36 | Anunoby 12
RobinHart 48

Plus McBride, Sims/Achiuwa, and I'd flip Flynn for a depth wing defender...Jae'Sean Tate feels gettable & very thibsy for that role.

Not a ton of minutes for Quentin, but a) I think he'd do a lot better in the non-Brunson minutes with Brogdon next to him & Randle, and b) I think having Grimes defense as an option when teams just aren't respecting Josh's 3ball, could make those minutes very valuable even if they are very situational.

I also just think this team can make a really deep run like the Heat have done in recent years...if our depth holds up, so I wouldn't expect us to go the rest of the season without some injuries that opened more minutes up for Quentin. Who has been playing better since the trade even though his 3ball has been MIA these past 3 games.

[cgf]

fair, its just interesting that DD goes into the starting lineup and still can get his shots up...and then after the trade we move a couple ball handlers and perimeter players and he still can't find much in terms of shots and increase in minutes.

I feel this was Grimes knock in college too...can get raging hot but lacks consistency. I think, right or wrong, especially for thibs, he values consistency and that is why they are looking for more of vet combo guard that he trusts more in the playoffs.

As much as Hart frustrates me sometimes you see especially late in games why Thibs trusts him...he has a knack for making the play when its needed.

We just need more scoring off the bench...and at least it looks like McBride can fill that other extra guard role pretty similarly to what Grimes has been doing.

Yeah, I definitely see the justifications on moving on from him. I think we're also finding out that the "Thibs hates rookies" things is less about his personal bias, and more because his scheme is a lot easier for a talented veteran to capitalize on. It's very simple and loose, which means that players have to pick their own spots to make that off-ball cut or call for a screen instead of feeding the lead scorers (which is easier to do if you're a vet with a ring like Donte or OG).

Anecdotally, I've always felt like guys with confidence issues are better suited to schemes with stricter play calls. It gives them less to overthink, and gets them easy looks without putting the onus on them.

The thing about McBride that's really made me happy is that he's willing to demand the screen instead of look to switch the court for Randle/Brunson every time. And he's really crafty about cutting into ball-handlers' sightlines to get the pass for a jumper. He's really crafty despite his limitations, which almost the opposite of Grimes this season (but ironically, it's a lot like Grimes last year).

yeah I agree I think Grimes would fair much more in a structured offense scheme. Where he knew where his looks were coming from rather than just waiting for other players to kick it out to him and try to capitalize on the few chances he has.

Some players thrive in low usage roles and some just don't. A perfect example of whats going on in OKC...Look at what Aaron Wiggins is doing in his limited role compared to Grimes. Some just thrive off low usage and cutting situations and making the most of there minutes...Grimes struggles with this inconsistent role and while it sucks to potentially move him as long as they are getting better I could understand it.

FWIW Grimes is getting way more shots up per minute when he's out there now than he was last year. So in some ways he's actually more involved offensively than he was last year, when he did perfectly well getting very few shots/touches despite his massive PT.

So I'm not sure Quentin's confidence this season has as much to do with his role since it wasn't that different last year. The bigger change has seemed to be his uncertainty over his future & his position within the team.

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I just feel like it doesn't make sense to move our second best perimeter defender for a guy we can afford with one of our less juicy FRPs, unless a team valued Grimes way more than they would the 24 NYK FRP or any of our protected FRPs from other teams.

Stuff happens. DDV is a career 31.2% 3pt shooter in the playoffs, if that's what he shoots for us, then all of a sudden his defensive limitations wouldn't be worth it. Or injuries, if Hart or DDV went down, having Grimes around, would be way more useful than having two picks in this draft that people are comparing to the worst classes in recent memory.

We need another creator, but I'd rather use some of our draft capital to address that. Our pick surplus is our position of strength now, not our depth.

again your not addressing the factor of when we acquire that additional shot creator what happens to Grimes minutes? If he plays a very limited role even less than right now (situational)...what really are we valuing Grimes, insurance?...at that point you probably value a future 1st over grimes because that pick last longer than Grimes rookie contract which comes to an end after the following season.

No injuries & DDV stays hot, my rotation would be

Brunson 36 | Brogdon 12
DiVincenzo 24 | Grimes 12-14 | Brogdon 10-12
Anunoby 24 | Hart 24
Randle 36 | Anunoby 12
RobinHart 48

Plus McBride, Sims/Achiuwa, and I'd flip Flynn for a depth wing defender...Jae'Sean Tate feels gettable & very thibsy for that role.

Not a ton of minutes for Quentin, but a) I think he'd do a lot better in the non-Brunson minutes with Brogdon next to him & Randle, and b) I think having Grimes defense as an option when teams just aren't respecting Josh's 3ball, could make those minutes very valuable even if they are very situational.

I also just think this team can make a really deep run like the Heat have done in recent years...if our depth holds up, so I wouldn't expect us to go the rest of the season without some injuries that opened more minutes up for Quentin. Who has been playing better since the trade even though his 3ball has been MIA these past 3 games.

So now you are playing Grimes even a smaller role and think he is just going to magically improve? Mcbride can handle 12 minutes a night in that role. At that point I would rather just keep the extra 1st round pick and trade Grimes.

And Grimes has played 2 really good game this month since the trade (in blowouts)...otherwise he has been pretty pedestrian.

Mcbride has been far better since the trade