Miami Heat 2024 Regular Season - Thread 4.0

[AirP.]

I think Heat want Gordon Hayward in the buyout
market. They dumped Dedmon’s 4.7 last year to get Kevin Love in the buyout. Might see something similar. With that said Martin or Robinson will be getting shipped before. Hayward will be there replacement.

Nope.

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

Hollinger came out with a report today that all the Heat have to do is dump a few small salaries and we will be able to participate in the buyout market.

Spoiler:

Sure, if they get out of the tax, but with Miami only having 14 players signed, every player they move, they have to replace that spot with a minimum (like signing Cain) so you have to take in account that new salary also, if they had 15 already under contract, they could just send a couple out and only bring one back making it easier. In reality you're talking about sending out a contract of the size of Robinson's or higher.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Read on Twitter

[MettaWorldPanda]

Dumping Martin for no reason makes no sense. He’s one of our most athletic wing players and brings it defensively. We need to move on from the Herro/Duncan two guard combo. I vote for moving Duncan for Burks and Morris. And then signing Hayward. Or trading Duncan to Utah with fillers for KO and THT.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Nope.

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

Hollinger came out with a report today that all the Heat have to do is dump a few small salaries and we will be able to participate in the buyout market.

Spoiler:

Sure, if they get out of the tax, but with Miami only having 14 players signed, every player they move, they have to replace that spot with a minimum (like signing Cain) so you have to take in account that new salary also, if they had 15 already under contract, they could just send a couple out and only bring one back making it easier. In reality you're talking about sending out a contract of the size of Robinson's or higher.

Stay tuned

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The team will be fine, Spoelstra will figure out how to utilize Rozier who I suspect will end up being the #1 option (maybe even in the playoffs) and with that, rebuild the lineup which may not change all that much to better use the main guys.

Butler is coasting, we all know it and it's frustrating as hell, if he's not giving good effort most of the season trying to preserve his body for the playoffs and maybe to extend his career. Let's not pretend that Butler isn't a mismatch unless he's working hard and using his strength, so it's almost all or nothing for him.

BTW... whoever is still bitching about Thibodeau and Butler's minutes, Hoiberg coached Butler after Thibodeau in Chicago for 2 years and after the FO bitched about Thibs and his minutes were more than fine watching Hoiberg play Butler 37 minutes a night both seasons under Hoiberg. Yes, Butler played big minutes but lots of players back then played a lot of minutes.

Herro... either he's going off ball more which will limit his game while it helps the offense or Spoelstra will move him to the 6th man and allow him to be the #1 option off the bench. Although I'm not a Herro fan, I can see putting him on the bench allows him to keep using all his skills and possibly give him a chance to keep expanding his game (but it may be the first step of him leaving Miami). Not only does Herro's ego not want to go to the bench long term (Rozier is here for 1+ more years) nor is Miami putting a 30 million dollar player as a 6th man a good value.

Bam's fine, I think Rozier will really help him, not only with pick and rolls but giving Bam a better chance of getting offensive rebounds from Rozier drives.

Then there's Jaquez Jr and he needs touches. If you started Rozier, Robinson, Butler, Highsmith and Bam you have 3 main options and 2 role-players (Highsmith defends the better guard, Robinson guards the weaker forward, Butler guards the better forward) then you can have come off the bench.... Herro, Richardson, Jaquez Jr, Martin and Love. I really like the 10-man roster, but you can see a consolidation could be done and with that and you have 2 guys who can step in a backup situation without missing much... Cain and Swider and you should be either upgrading another player or getting some assets back.

The vibe I got last night from Spos comments is that Rozier is going to be more of a 4th option but I agree he should be 1st and hopefully my feeling on that was wrong

[BadMofoPimp]

Dumping Martin for no reason makes no sense. He’s one of our most athletic wing players and brings it defensively. We need to move on from the Herro/Duncan two guard combo. I vote for moving Duncan for Burks and Morris. And then signing Hayward. Or trading Duncan to Utah with fillers for KO and THT.

I think Caleb will provem doubters wrong once he is fully healthy and back to game shape.

[AirP.]

Duncan is as bad if not worse on D. Fact is we have 4 guards : 2 bad defenders, one below average and one average. But lets not act like Gabe or Max where above average defenders. We just need more effort and it all starts with Jimmy. Good things happen when he is trying. We have our star player go for 15pts on 10 shots and yet we blame the others

Sent from my SM-G990B2 using RealGM mobile app

Duncan is better this year; he's positioning himself better and giving more effort than before, still not a good defender.

Gabe and Max both gave effort which helps greatly even if they're not good defenders, they weren't "terrible".

Herro, he has the ability to defend better than he is, we've seen it from time to time. I'd like to point to the Mexico City game a year or 2 ago against San Antonio, he played with effort and seemed to care on the defense which made me think he may be turning the corner on playing defense but that just seemed to be an anomaly. If he gave effort and cared about being a better defender, he could do it but that's not high on his list of things to bring to the team. Herro giving good effort on the defensive end would help a defensive first team greatly.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Spoiler:

The team will be fine, Spoelstra will figure out how to utilize Rozier who I suspect will end up being the #1 option (maybe even in the playoffs) and with that, rebuild the lineup which may not change all that much to better use the main guys.

Butler is coasting, we all know it and it's frustrating as hell, if he's not giving good effort most of the season trying to preserve his body for the playoffs and maybe to extend his career. Let's not pretend that Butler isn't a mismatch unless he's working hard and using his strength, so it's almost all or nothing for him.

BTW... whoever is still bitching about Thibodeau and Butler's minutes, Hoiberg coached Butler after Thibodeau in Chicago for 2 years and after the FO bitched about Thibs and his minutes were more than fine watching Hoiberg play Butler 37 minutes a night both seasons under Hoiberg. Yes, Butler played big minutes but lots of players back then played a lot of minutes.

Herro... either he's going off ball more which will limit his game while it helps the offense or Spoelstra will move him to the 6th man and allow him to be the #1 option off the bench. Although I'm not a Herro fan, I can see putting him on the bench allows him to keep using all his skills and possibly give him a chance to keep expanding his game (but it may be the first step of him leaving Miami). Not only does Herro's ego not want to go to the bench long term (Rozier is here for 1+ more years) nor is Miami putting a 30 million dollar player as a 6th man a good value.

Bam's fine, I think Rozier will really help him, not only with pick and rolls but giving Bam a better chance of getting offensive rebounds from Rozier drives.

Then there's Jaquez Jr and he needs touches. If you started Rozier, Robinson, Butler, Highsmith and Bam you have 3 main options and 2 role-players (Highsmith defends the better guard, Robinson guards the weaker forward, Butler guards the better forward) then you can have come off the bench.... Herro, Richardson, Jaquez Jr, Martin and Love. I really like the 10-man roster, but you can see a consolidation could be done and with that and you have 2 guys who can step in a backup situation without missing much... Cain and Swider and you should be either upgrading another player or getting some assets back.

I know the idea has been repeated on all Heat platforms nonstop, but moving Duncan into the starting lineup and slotting Herro as 6th man really makes too much sense. It allows optimization of the rest of the starters playing alongside Duncan's elite off-ball shooting skillset, allows Herro to still do some of what he wants to do leading the bench unit, and literally turns our bench mob into one that can potentially be best in the NBA. Herro and Jaquez running against opponent's bench units, along with Love and 3&D around them could tilt games for Miami.

This is probably the right move and although I'm for it, I need to stress, moving a nearly 30-million-dollar younger player with an ego to the bench is basically the first step to moving him unless Spoelstra can get him to look at it as waiting his turn (which is a step backwards) with Jaquez Jr to being main pieces of the team although Jaquez Jr can be a high-level role-player already with the starters.

One thing seems to stick out to me... Martin needs to be cashed out in a trade and Cain brought up to give Miami wing depth. If you move a 3pt shooter, you have Swider who you can use a few minutes in the playoffs to help stretch the court.

Spoelstra will figure this out, it'll just take some time, maybe even around 10 games to get Rozier and the rest of the team use to their roles.

After Wade agreed to come off the bench I will take issue with anyone who complains about it. Now we’ve seen Westbrook do the same, he’ll be requested it himself because he knew it would help the team. That’s the kind of guy I want on my team and that’s the kind of sacrifice and looking in the mirror that needs to happen in order to win. Herros fit is far better off the bench where he can still play 30 minutes a night than it is next to Rozier Jimmy and Bam in the starting lineup. Spreading those 4 out is how you maximize their volume and usage, it the only way to do it really.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Read on Twitter

[AirP.]

I know the idea has been repeated on all Heat platforms nonstop, but moving Duncan into the starting lineup and slotting Herro as 6th man really makes too much sense. It allows optimization of the rest of the starters playing alongside Duncan's elite off-ball shooting skillset, allows Herro to still do some of what he wants to do leading the bench unit, and literally turns our bench mob into one that can potentially be best in the NBA. Herro and Jaquez running against opponent's bench units, along with Love and 3&D around them could tilt games for Miami.

This is probably the right move and although I'm for it, I need to stress, moving a nearly 30-million-dollar younger player with an ego to the bench is basically the first step to moving him unless Spoelstra can get him to look at it as waiting his turn (which is a step backwards) with Jaquez Jr to being main pieces of the team although Jaquez Jr can be a high-level role-player already with the starters.

One thing seems to stick out to me... Martin needs to be cashed out in a trade and Cain brought up to give Miami wing depth. If you move a 3pt shooter, you have Swider who you can use a few minutes in the playoffs to help stretch the court.

Spoelstra will figure this out, it'll just take some time, maybe even around 10 games to get Rozier and the rest of the team use to their roles.

After Wade agreed to come off the bench I will take issue with anyone who complains about it. Now we’ve seen Westbrook do the same, he’ll be requested it himself because he knew it would help the team. That’s the kind of guy I want on my team and that’s the kind of sacrifice and looking in the mirror that needs to happen in order to win. Herros fit is far better off the bench where he can still play 30 minutes a night than it is next to Rozier Jimmy and Bam in the starting lineup. Spreading those 4 out is how you maximize their volume and usage, it the only way to do it really.

Wade agreed to come off the bench at age 36, Herro's 24, one's career was near the end, the other is entering their prime, it's a completely different situation.

[AirP.]

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

GET SPOELSTRA CUNNINGHAM IF POSSIBLE!

[MettaWorldPanda]

I know the idea has been repeated on all Heat platforms nonstop, but moving Duncan into the starting lineup and slotting Herro as 6th man really makes too much sense. It allows optimization of the rest of the starters playing alongside Duncan's elite off-ball shooting skillset, allows Herro to still do some of what he wants to do leading the bench unit, and literally turns our bench mob into one that can potentially be best in the NBA. Herro and Jaquez running against opponent's bench units, along with Love and 3&D around them could tilt games for Miami.

This is probably the right move and although I'm for it, I need to stress, moving a nearly 30-million-dollar younger player with an ego to the bench is basically the first step to moving him unless Spoelstra can get him to look at it as waiting his turn (which is a step backwards) with Jaquez Jr to being main pieces of the team although Jaquez Jr can be a high-level role-player already with the starters.

One thing seems to stick out to me... Martin needs to be cashed out in a trade and Cain brought up to give Miami wing depth. If you move a 3pt shooter, you have Swider who you can use a few minutes in the playoffs to help stretch the court.

Spoelstra will figure this out, it'll just take some time, maybe even around 10 games to get Rozier and the rest of the team use to their roles.

After Wade agreed to come off the bench I will take issue with anyone who complains about it. Now we’ve seen Westbrook do the same, he’ll be requested it himself because he knew it would help the team. That’s the kind of guy I want on my team and that’s the kind of sacrifice and looking in the mirror that needs to happen in order to win. Herros fit is far better off the bench where he can still play 30 minutes a night than it is next to Rozier Jimmy and Bam in the starting lineup. Spreading those 4 out is how you maximize their volume and usage, it the only way to do it really.

Wade was an old man when he agreed to do that.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

[greg4012]

Herro's ego simply cannot be factor that the Heat need to work around. It seems to be, and that is becoming a concern.

[greg4012]

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Ball is probably in Jimmy's hands more than he wants at times.

Hanger-on is posting pure emotion

[Kobewade11]

Read on Twitter

I think this is an overreaction but I don't expect much different from Heat twitter, their emotions about the team change like the wind..and I know that's Jimmy's guy. They were taunting Cronin all year about the "Dame package" and beating on their chests just weeks ago. Objectively I think it's a better team than last year, not just because of the internal improvement but also some of the guys that we added. Right now this is a rough patch, but they've got 2.5 months to figure it out. A good start is the leaders of the team, whoever they are, bringing the intensity - everyone else will fall in line.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

This is probably the right move and although I'm for it, I need to stress, moving a nearly 30-million-dollar younger player with an ego to the bench is basically the first step to moving him unless Spoelstra can get him to look at it as waiting his turn (which is a step backwards) with Jaquez Jr to being main pieces of the team although Jaquez Jr can be a high-level role-player already with the starters.

One thing seems to stick out to me... Martin needs to be cashed out in a trade and Cain brought up to give Miami wing depth. If you move a 3pt shooter, you have Swider who you can use a few minutes in the playoffs to help stretch the court.

Spoelstra will figure this out, it'll just take some time, maybe even around 10 games to get Rozier and the rest of the team use to their roles.

After Wade agreed to come off the bench I will take issue with anyone who complains about it. Now we’ve seen Westbrook do the same, he’ll be requested it himself because he knew it would help the team. That’s the kind of guy I want on my team and that’s the kind of sacrifice and looking in the mirror that needs to happen in order to win. Herros fit is far better off the bench where he can still play 30 minutes a night than it is next to Rozier Jimmy and Bam in the starting lineup. Spreading those 4 out is how you maximize their volume and usage, it the only way to do it really.

Wade agreed to come off the bench at age 36, Herro's 24, one's career was near the end, the other is entering their prime, it's a completely different situation.

Wade was still better or very similar, Herro hasn’t improved so nearing his prime doesn’t really mean much to me. I care about winning and the team doesn’t win with him starting. 5 years worth of seeing this is not coincidence anymore and idc what pie in the sky scenarios we try to come up with. There’s winning and losing, we win when a specialist starts at the 2, we don’t when Herro starts.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

This is probably the right move and although I'm for it, I need to stress, moving a nearly 30-million-dollar younger player with an ego to the bench is basically the first step to moving him unless Spoelstra can get him to look at it as waiting his turn (which is a step backwards) with Jaquez Jr to being main pieces of the team although Jaquez Jr can be a high-level role-player already with the starters.

One thing seems to stick out to me... Martin needs to be cashed out in a trade and Cain brought up to give Miami wing depth. If you move a 3pt shooter, you have Swider who you can use a few minutes in the playoffs to help stretch the court.

Spoelstra will figure this out, it'll just take some time, maybe even around 10 games to get Rozier and the rest of the team use to their roles.

After Wade agreed to come off the bench I will take issue with anyone who complains about it. Now we’ve seen Westbrook do the same, he’ll be requested it himself because he knew it would help the team. That’s the kind of guy I want on my team and that’s the kind of sacrifice and looking in the mirror that needs to happen in order to win. Herros fit is far better off the bench where he can still play 30 minutes a night than it is next to Rozier Jimmy and Bam in the starting lineup. Spreading those 4 out is how you maximize their volume and usage, it the only way to do it really.

Wade was an old man when he agreed to do that.

He’s the goat, he could’ve started until he was 40 if he wanted. He was still just as good as Herro

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Ernys an idiot lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Read on Twitter

You better ship Jovic ass out asap if that’s the hold up.