YogurtProducer wrote:realball wrote:James_Raptors wrote:You're both right.
First, it's a tiny sample size, and a new role, on a new team for IQ.
So reading anything out of those 12 games is (mostly) trivial and meaningless.
Secondly, stars have earned our trust. We've seen them do amazing things, consistently, so when they have a few games of sub par play (by their standards) there's no need to panic because it's just a blip.
The difference between Fairview's post, and your post, realball, is that Fairview has replaced emotion, with non emotional cold hard stats. It's easy to get caught up in a tiny sample size, with a virtual unknown (new role, team, roster, like i said) like IQ and worry about how he'll respond. The reality is we don't know and probably won't have a good idea "what he is" for another full season. He'll be paid , as an UFA, based upon "potential", and it's perfectly normal that in that first year of contract he may be fair value or even dip a bit below. We'll see how that plays out, but the idea is that in year's 2, 3 and so on, he could potentially outplay his contract if he develops into the better player we hope he will become. If Immanuel was a finished product we wouldn't be having these discussions. His value is fluid, and ever changing.
Be patient realball, no need to get worked up or make hasty judgements. We've seen very little of his game and the team has had little time to practice and gel. Furthermore, players like Steph, Luka, Lillard, et al have had time to play many seasons with teams that have (tried) to build around them (caveat with Portland, perhaps, but I digress...). And on those teams they are superstars. We know what those players can do. There's a level of trust with them. In fact, when their numbers start dropping off it tends to be a sign that their career's are winding down, or maybe the team that was built around them is no longer as talented, or simply aging.
Compared to the Raptors and IQ is a piece and we're still trying to figure out how good he'll be. But these things take time, so let's not overreact to tiny sample sizes, and let them play the game. We'll see what we have with these 3 over the next season or so. And then we can make proper, calm calculated assessments.
Dude, you are projecting like crazy. I am not the emotional one here for criticizing a player. I have no reason to be critical of the team I root for, you and Fairview have every reason to become emotional for players on your team. I am taking this small sample size at face value, not making up hypothetical situations up where IQ makes half a shot every other game and becomes a different player.
Look in the mirror dude, you're preaching "patience" and "good vibes" and telling me to stop being emotional. I am completely fine with us giving IQ a big contract, because it's not like we have a choice. But I'm not going to pretend like he's living up to the expectations either, just because the rest of you have your heads in the clouds.
Come on man. You are using a 12-game sample size and ignoring the other 253 game of his career and trying to derive conclusions from that.
Serious question - do you think a player who has shot 47% from 2 in his career is suddenly a 38% from 2 guy? Probably not.
Who knows? It wouldn't be the first time that this franchise has seen a player's scoring drop off and never return. Looking at you, Trent.
I am not making any assumptions about the future, I am taking his numbers now at face value. For a fourth year player looking for a big contract, that's completely reasonable.
