Should Magic go after Dejounte Murray or Tyus Jones?

[zaymon]

At least Jones can set the offense while Anthony drives into traffic and loses the ball. I dont think we should roll with the guys but i also dont like getting Murray. I would propably trade for Lavine depending on difference in price.

You lost credibility when you said you'd rather have Lavine over Murray.

Murray's contract is so much better than Lavine and a better player.

Lavine isp layer that never matured on the court.
He makes same mistakes today that he did when he was a rookie.


Lavine is just dumb and you really can't do much about it. Last year Bulls are down by 3, with 5 sec to play and guy shoots mid range jumper at expiring clock. You really can't teach player how to not be braindead.

He would be good catch& shoot option. if he ever actually learned what catch& shoot means. Instad, almost 50% of all his 3s are after dribble. Why? Well, he has some idiotic habbit to catch a ball, make one bumb off floor than shoot. Despite fact it does nothing but helps defender recover & contest.


I'm iffy on Murray, but Murray can run circles around Lavine in terms of quality.

Lavine is so damn talented in terms of "equpiment" but has BBIQ- disabled.

I agree but if we can get him for basically free and sell him on more limited role ? Andrew Wiggins is also not a genius but he won a ring in limited role. We really need volume shooter, someone who will take every shot and feel good about it. Bulls was his team, now he comes here and its Paolo and Franz team. Can you be 3rd option ? No ? So no deal.

[GelbeWand09]

With these same guys this problem will always be there against teams that are smart enough and can shoot. All they have to do is shut down the paint and force us to shoot. They know we don't have the personnel to outshoot teams......until we get the right guys in here it's going to be the same thing every time we face a good team

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Murray doesnt solve the problem though. He is streaky, not very high volume. Thats why i prefer stop gap PG who can shoot with volume, not use many assets and then slot as a reserve in 1-2 years. Rozier, Jones, Brogdon.

So are you suggesting we just roll with the guys we have now? We have to try to get Paolo some help. Our offense is ranked 24th.

And don't tell me we should get Tyus Jones. If we think Cole Anthony is bad on defense wait until we see a guy whose the same size and less athletic too.

Just because he is small doesnt mean he is bad on defense. Lowry & Van Vleet were (in Van Fleet's case still) 2 of the best defenders at PG for years. Jones was part of one of the best defenses in leaque for years in Memphis. Small, sturdy players are in many cases better defenders than many longer, skinny guys. Jones is a solid to good defenders over his career by all metrics.

[pepe1991]

You lost credibility when you said you'd rather have Lavine over Murray.

Murray's contract is so much better than Lavine and a better player.

Lavine isp layer that never matured on the court.
He makes same mistakes today that he did when he was a rookie.


Lavine is just dumb and you really can't do much about it. Last year Bulls are down by 3, with 5 sec to play and guy shoots mid range jumper at expiring clock. You really can't teach player how to not be braindead.

He would be good catch& shoot option. if he ever actually learned what catch& shoot means. Instad, almost 50% of all his 3s are after dribble. Why? Well, he has some idiotic habbit to catch a ball, make one bumb off floor than shoot. Despite fact it does nothing but helps defender recover & contest.


I'm iffy on Murray, but Murray can run circles around Lavine in terms of quality.

Lavine is so damn talented in terms of "equpiment" but has BBIQ- disabled.

I agree but if we can get him for basically free and sell him on more limited role ? Andrew Wiggins is also not a genius but he won a ring in limited role. We really need volume shooter, someone who will take every shot and feel good about it. Bulls was his team, now he comes here and its Paolo and Franz team. Can you be 3rd option ? No ? So no deal.

You can get him for free because his value is that low, and you still have ot pay him + $40 000 000 a year.


You have to take in cosidration that Franz and Suggs will be exstended within year and half ( 2025-26 season kickoff). And that Banchero will cost you crazy money in year after.


Wiggins had one and half good seasons in him. Look at him now. 12 ppg, 42% FG, 30% for 3, 46% eFG. 49% TS. - 5,8 BMP as one of worst rotation players out there.

My personal issue with Lavine and "smaller role" is that he really can't play anything but high volumen scorer to be even playable.


Lower his usage is, less you get from him. He is rythm scorer and shooter.

[zaymon]

Lavine isp layer that never matured on the court.
He makes same mistakes today that he did when he was a rookie.


Lavine is just dumb and you really can't do much about it. Last year Bulls are down by 3, with 5 sec to play and guy shoots mid range jumper at expiring clock. You really can't teach player how to not be braindead.

He would be good catch& shoot option. if he ever actually learned what catch& shoot means. Instad, almost 50% of all his 3s are after dribble. Why? Well, he has some idiotic habbit to catch a ball, make one bumb off floor than shoot. Despite fact it does nothing but helps defender recover & contest.


I'm iffy on Murray, but Murray can run circles around Lavine in terms of quality.

Lavine is so damn talented in terms of "equpiment" but has BBIQ- disabled.

I agree but if we can get him for basically free and sell him on more limited role ? Andrew Wiggins is also not a genius but he won a ring in limited role. We really need volume shooter, someone who will take every shot and feel good about it. Bulls was his team, now he comes here and its Paolo and Franz team. Can you be 3rd option ? No ? So no deal.

You can get him for free because his value is that low, and you still have ot pay him + $40 000 000 a year.


You have to take in cosidration that Franz and Suggs will be exstended within year and half ( 2025-26 season kickoff). And that Banchero will cost you crazy money in year after.


Wiggins had one and half good seasons in him. Look at him now. 12 ppg, 42% FG, 30% for 3, 46% eFG. 49% TS. - 5,8 BMP as one of worst rotation players out there.

My personal issue with Lavine and "smaller role" is that he really can't play anything but high volumen scorer to be even playable.


Lower his usage is, less you get from him. He is rythm scorer and shooter.

He is not a great target, but its really hard to watch all this bricks we make right now. Last chance for absorbing big contract before Franz and Paolo extend. He would be expiring when Paolo extension kicks in. Sadly it doesnt solve our problems with playmaking and Ingles wont get younger. Its propably not a good idea, but it would be entertaining and thsts also important for us fans :p

[TGW]

And don't tell me we should get Tyus Jones. If we think Cole Anthony is bad on defense wait until we see a guy whose the same size and less athletic too.

Tyus Jones has a higher offensive and defensive rating than Anthony.

[Residual-Heat]

https://sports.yahoo.com/adrian-griffins-dismissal-likely-signals-more-moves-for-the-bucks-153321153.html

"A deal highlighted by the No. 35 pick probably isn’t going to strike Atlanta’s fancy for Murray, considering the Hawks, at present, are searching for a pair of first-round picks plus a starting-level player for their All-Star combo guard, league sources told Yahoo Sports"

If thats all it takes to get Murray, we have to go get him. WCJ and 2 1sts? ****, they can have 3 1sts.

[IllMagic04]

https://sports.yahoo.com/adrian-griffins-dismissal-likely-signals-more-moves-for-the-bucks-153321153.html

"A deal highlighted by the No. 35 pick probably isn’t going to strike Atlanta’s fancy for Murray, considering the Hawks, at present, are searching for a pair of first-round picks plus a starting-level player for their All-Star combo guard, league sources told Yahoo Sports"

If thats all it takes to get Murray, we have to go get him. WCJ and 2 1sts? ****, they can have 3 1sts.

3 first? I dunno about that.

[Residual-Heat]

https://sports.yahoo.com/adrian-griffins-dismissal-likely-signals-more-moves-for-the-bucks-153321153.html

"A deal highlighted by the No. 35 pick probably isn’t going to strike Atlanta’s fancy for Murray, considering the Hawks, at present, are searching for a pair of first-round picks plus a starting-level player for their All-Star combo guard, league sources told Yahoo Sports"

If thats all it takes to get Murray, we have to go get him. WCJ and 2 1sts? ****, they can have 3 1sts.

3 first? I dunno about that.

Say one of them is the Denver pick, you're really going to let the deal fall apart?

Not going to lie though, a Murray trade does scare me a little. I dont know how exactly he fits in terms of chemistry. Its not just the Paolo beef, he just seems like an immature ass hole.

[axl_c_cool]

https://sports.yahoo.com/adrian-griffins-dismissal-likely-signals-more-moves-for-the-bucks-153321153.html

"A deal highlighted by the No. 35 pick probably isn’t going to strike Atlanta’s fancy for Murray, considering the Hawks, at present, are searching for a pair of first-round picks plus a starting-level player for their All-Star combo guard, league sources told Yahoo Sports"

If thats all it takes to get Murray, we have to go get him. WCJ and 2 1sts? ****, they can have 3 1sts.

3 first? I dunno about that.

Say one of them is the Denver pick, you're really going to let the deal fall apart?

Not going to lie though, a Murray trade does scare me a little. I dont know how exactly he fits in terms of chemistry. Its not just the Paolo beef, he just seems like an immature ass hole.

If you can get Murrary anything of below you do it


2024 1st + Denver 1st + any or a combination of Harris-Isaac-WCJ

Murray/Black
Suggs/Cole
F. Wagner
Banchero
Bitadze/M. Wagner

That’s a talented and tough, rugged, 8 man rotation

[Nyce_1]

And don't tell me we should get Tyus Jones. If we think Cole Anthony is bad on defense wait until we see a guy whose the same size and less athletic too.

Tyus Jones has a higher offensive and defensive rating than Anthony.

Have you WATCHED him play defense? Smh

[eyriq]

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that was before their beef

[BadMofoPimp]

I don't understand how anyone could say no to a player making acceptable salary who is good on defense and offense. Just makes zero sense why they would choose anyone else who is available who will probably ask for even more money than Murray when resigning. Weltman should go all out to get Murray Asap!

[eyriq]

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that was before their beef

True, but there was something there before, maybe it can be rekindled.

[RookieStar]

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that was before their beef

True, but there was something there before, maybe it can be rekindled.

You read too many romance novels bro?

[eyriq]

I live a romance novel

[JF5]

I don't understand how anyone could say no to a player making acceptable salary who is good on defense and offense. Just makes zero sense why they would choose anyone else who is available who will probably ask for even more money than Murray when resigning. Weltman should go all out to get Murray Asap!

It's his relationship with Paolo and also the ability to shoot 3s consistently at an elite clip that sort of put him on the borderline for fans like myself.

Also, the fact he needs space to operate and we give up Wendell for him and put in Bitadze makes it tougher for me imo. He's a midrange assassin who likes getting into the paint so you have 3 guys who all do similar things with him Franz/Paolo as hes not much of an off-ball guy. It might homogenize the offense to a certain point since all your best players play one specified way.

But to counter that point I just made he's a very good passer and very good defender who fits well in those aspects of what the team wants when it comes to a player being able to organize an offense whilst being able to abide to that point of attack defense. Also, he's on a very good contract.

I don't know... just a very tough position.

[The Real Dalic]

Gross.

[pepe1991]

It should be said that Murray, prior to awful trade to Atlanta ( due very problematic fit with Trae) ,averaged 9,2 assists on 2,6 turnovers on Spurs.

He can be very good on ball player. He is good defender for sure.

Now, some immaturity , cost, shooting issues are still there, but he would instatlly become best PG Magic had in past 10 years.

[RichCollab]

It should be said that Murray, prior to awful trade to Atlanta ( due very problematic fit with Trae) ,averaged 9,2 assists on 2,6 turnovers on Spurs.

He can be very good on ball player. He is good defender for sure.

Now, some immaturity , cost, shooting issues are still there, but he would instatlly become best PG Magic had in past 10 years.

Is it just immaturity or his mental makeup?