Miami Heat 2024 Regular Season - Thread 4.0

[3ammy3uck3ts]

How can we land Vince Williams, GG Jackson, and David Roddy?!

[RexBoyWonder]

Looking at the roster, I really like a lot of our players.
I think the talent level is considerably higher then last year.

But somehow the chemistry is very off, something isn't working. The sum is smaller then the parts.

That's usually because of :

1. coaching
2. or a bad fit between the top guys.

[AirP.]

Reality has set in....it sucks we just lost another first round pick.

Miami just added a proven 20 ppg pg who should be good for the next 2 years, you have a pretty good replacement for Butler in Jaquez Jr and you have the stabilizing force in Bam just now entering his prime, Miami is in a very good spot now and in the future. What Miami doesn't have is an MVP level talent which from time to time you get from Butler and who knows how long that will be around, if you can find a way to get someone near an MVP level talent to go with that Miami will continue to be a contender. Maybe a vet shakes loose like KD and you can get 2 great seasons from him. Until then I think it's Miami's FO hope that Herro somehow gets to a dominate scorer level instead of just a volume scorer level.

Yall be thinking way to far ahead. This roster is very close to be gutted. Riley made a statement at the recently he talked about how long this core been together and eventually its run its course.

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Didn't the build just change? Fundamentally it did, Butler and Bam are still in place, but was the build just those 2, I don't think so, I think it was Butler, Bam, Herro, and Lowry and with the trading of Lowry Miami has went from continuing with a facilitating PG back to a scoring PG, that is a build change of somewhat substantial size. Just looking at the years since LeBron left, Miami has had a scoring PG except for the Lowry and Point-Winslow seasons.

I do think the addition and gameplay of Jaquez Jr has also altered the future direction of this team, he seems like he can just take over Butler's role although we don't know how high of a level he can achieve. The only really big moves I can think of would be of course Herro since they've put so much time and money into him and of course some smaller players like Robinson and Martin, the rest really don't register although Jovic could change that in the next year.

[Hoops3355]

Looking at the roster, I really like a lot of our players.
I think the talent level is considerably higher then last year.

But somehow the chemistry is very off, something isn't working. The sum is smaller then the parts.

That's usually because of :

1. coaching
2. or a bad fit between the top guys.

It's literally spacing and injuries. We've used like 30+ lineups. It's business as usual for Coach Spo's hardest path journey. A DND adventure wherre the main character Spo Daddy chooses the hardest path to a championship post big 3.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Looking at the roster, I really like a lot of our players.
I think the talent level is considerably higher then last year.

But somehow the chemistry is very off, something isn't working. The sum is smaller then the parts.

That's usually because of :

1. coaching
2. or a bad fit between the top guys.

I’ve joined you in trading Herro for Jerami Grant, I thought Grant was making $10M more than he is

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Very small sample size obviously but it’s just funny that it always plays out like this…..

Rozier-Duncan-Jimmy-Caleb-Bam was our best lineup last night with a +62.5 Net rating. Closing lineup that made the run until Spo yanked Robinson after a quick 7 points in 2 minutes.

Rozier-Herro-Jimmy-Caleb-Bam 0 net rating. But….

Rozier-Herro-Duncan-Caleb-Bam was actually 2nd best at +38.2

Believe it or not our 3rd best lineup was the starting lineup which had a +15.6 net rating. Bench killed us. Swap Martin for Highsmith and they had a -31 Net.

[AirP.]

Looking at the roster, I really like a lot of our players.
I think the talent level is considerably higher then last year.

But somehow the chemistry is very off, something isn't working. The sum is smaller then the parts.

That's usually because of :

1. coaching
2. or a bad fit between the top guys.

It's literally spacing and injuries. We've used like 30+ lineups. It's business as usual for Coach Spo's hardest path journey. A DND adventure wherre the main character Spo Daddy chooses the hardest path to a championship post big 3.

I don't know about you but when I see the other team get the ball to an open guy at the 3pt line I completely expect the shot to go up, when I'm watching Miami get the ball to an open 3pt shooter I feel I can flip a coin to see if they're going to shoot it or do a pump fake and then drive... only to pass it out and see the next person do the same thing. The only 3 guys I feel like that will take the open 3 is Love, Robinson, and Highsmith. Which makes me interested in seeing if there are numbers on that, and there are, but they're on my other computer... once second.

Here's the Heat player's stats sorted by % of shots that are 3s. Miami needs the roleplayers shooting more 3s since Butler shoots only a few of them and Bam just doesn't shoot any. Would love to see Herro taking a much higher percentage of 3s vs 2s.

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+-----------------+-----+----+------+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---------+
|Player           |Games|MPG |pct3pt|TS%  |2pt% |3pt% |ORTG|DRTG|NetRating|
+-----------------+-----+----+------+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---------+
|Cole Swider      |8    |4.8 |0.737 |0.605|0.8  |0.357|104 |117 |-13      |
|Kevin Love       |34   |18.3|0.682 |0.598|0.649|0.34 |124 |111 |13       |
|Duncan Robinson  |42   |28.3|0.667 |0.615|0.552|0.407|116 |117 |-1       |
|Kyle Lowry       |37   |28  |0.665 |0.582|0.506|0.385|115 |114 |1        |
|Haywood Highsmith|30   |21.4|0.589 |0.549|0.484|0.371|110 |112 |-2       |
|R.J. Hampton     |8    |9.5 |0.571 |0.336|0.5  |0.125|85  |120 |-35      |
|Josh Richardson  |35   |26  |0.536 |0.562|0.535|0.342|113 |116 |-3       |
|Dru Smith        |9    |14.6|0.515 |0.576|0.5  |0.412|118 |111 |7        |
|Nikola Jović     |17   |18.2|0.489 |0.522|0.4  |0.419|107 |112 |-5       |
|Terry Rozier     |1    |29  |0.455 |0.379|0.333|0.2  |86  |112 |-26      |
|Tyler Herro      |25   |34.2|0.434 |0.55 |0.468|0.399|105 |114 |-9       |
|Jamal Cain       |14   |14.9|0.379 |0.538|0.512|0.32 |112 |114 |-2       |
|Caleb Martin     |27   |26.8|0.342 |0.551|0.481|0.402|109 |114 |-5       |
|Jaime Jaquez Jr. |39   |30.2|0.281 |0.6  |0.576|0.353|115 |115 |0        |
|Orlando Robinson |18   |12.3|0.203 |0.606|0.511|0.583|120 |112 |8        |
|Jimmy Butler     |29   |33.7|0.154 |0.614|0.495|0.4  |126 |115 |11       |
|Thomas Bryant    |23   |10.6|0.041 |0.605|0.586|0    |115 |112 |3        |
|Bam Adebayo      |34   |35.1|0.021 |0.565|0.507|0.091|114 |110 |4        |
+-----------------+-----+----+------+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---------+

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[MettaWorldPanda]

We’ve been needing a real PF since Crowder and Tucker left. We got lucky to skate by last year with the small misfit 4 ball. I mean a real PF that can bang but also shoot a 3 ball.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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DFS the only one available

Meant for this to be on your other post

[Rapaz]

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Judging by DeRozan's reaction, you'd think Lowry had been traded to a gulag. But don't feel too sorry for Kyle; he can console himself at any one of these locations:

[IceColdCubano]

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Judging by DeRozan's reaction, you'd think Lowry had been traded to a gulag. But don't feel too sorry for Kyle; he can console himself at any one of these locations:

, Savage reporting.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If we continue to skid then we really need to consider trading Duncan cause I have no idea why we need to continue paying 19 million next year with no cap relief in sight and no chance at signing any viable mid level free agents or filling out the roster with good depth. We get more out of trading Duncan then we do trading Tyler. At least Tyler you can include for a viable player in the future cause of his age and skill set. Duncan's value is you can attach an asset to him and get expiring's.

[fishfuego.]

Herro was injured for a good amount of games, so was Butler. To me this team is going through a stretch.
Once JJJ comes back, Rosier gets acclimated and Spo figures out the rotations, this team will get back on track and I truly believe they will be a force to be reckoned with.

[fishfuego.]

Looking at the roster, I really like a lot of our players.
I think the talent level is considerably higher then last year.

But somehow the chemistry is very off, something isn't working. The sum is smaller then the parts.

That's usually because of :

1. coaching
2. or a bad fit between the top guys.

It's literally spacing and injuries. We've used like 30+ lineups. It's business as usual for Coach Spo's hardest path journey. A DND adventure wherre the main character Spo Daddy chooses the hardest path to a championship post big 3.

I don't know about you but when I see the other team get the ball to an open guy at the 3pt line I completely expect the shot to go up, when I'm watching Miami get the ball to an open 3pt shooter I feel I can flip a coin to see if they're going to shoot it or do a pump fake and then drive... only to pass it out and see the next person do the same thing. The only 3 guys I feel like that will take the open 3 is Love, Robinson, and Highsmith. Which makes me interested in seeing if there are numbers on that, and there are, but they're on my other computer... once second.

Here's the Heat player's stats sorted by % of shots that are 3s. Miami needs the roleplayers shooting more 3s since Butler shoots only a few of them and Bam just doesn't shoot any. Would love to see Herro taking a much higher percentage of 3s vs 2s.

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+-----------------+-----+----+------+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---------+
|Player           |Games|MPG |pct3pt|TS%  |2pt% |3pt% |ORTG|DRTG|NetRating|
+-----------------+-----+----+------+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---------+
|Cole Swider      |8    |4.8 |0.737 |0.605|0.8  |0.357|104 |117 |-13      |
|Kevin Love       |34   |18.3|0.682 |0.598|0.649|0.34 |124 |111 |13       |
|Duncan Robinson  |42   |28.3|0.667 |0.615|0.552|0.407|116 |117 |-1       |
|Kyle Lowry       |37   |28  |0.665 |0.582|0.506|0.385|115 |114 |1        |
|Haywood Highsmith|30   |21.4|0.589 |0.549|0.484|0.371|110 |112 |-2       |
|R.J. Hampton     |8    |9.5 |0.571 |0.336|0.5  |0.125|85  |120 |-35      |
|Josh Richardson  |35   |26  |0.536 |0.562|0.535|0.342|113 |116 |-3       |
|Dru Smith        |9    |14.6|0.515 |0.576|0.5  |0.412|118 |111 |7        |
|Nikola Jović     |17   |18.2|0.489 |0.522|0.4  |0.419|107 |112 |-5       |
|Terry Rozier     |1    |29  |0.455 |0.379|0.333|0.2  |86  |112 |-26      |
|Tyler Herro      |25   |34.2|0.434 |0.55 |0.468|0.399|105 |114 |-9       |
|Jamal Cain       |14   |14.9|0.379 |0.538|0.512|0.32 |112 |114 |-2       |
|Caleb Martin     |27   |26.8|0.342 |0.551|0.481|0.402|109 |114 |-5       |
|Jaime Jaquez Jr. |39   |30.2|0.281 |0.6  |0.576|0.353|115 |115 |0        |
|Orlando Robinson |18   |12.3|0.203 |0.606|0.511|0.583|120 |112 |8        |
|Jimmy Butler     |29   |33.7|0.154 |0.614|0.495|0.4  |126 |115 |11       |
|Thomas Bryant    |23   |10.6|0.041 |0.605|0.586|0    |115 |112 |3        |
|Bam Adebayo      |34   |35.1|0.021 |0.565|0.507|0.091|114 |110 |4        |
+-----------------+-----+----+------+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---------+

This is clearly by design.
Herro has been opened at times and has elected to pass. It’s a set play that by design he has to perform as a playmaker. I think that after the All Star games, you’ll see a more polished game and free decisions.

[AirP.]

It's literally spacing and injuries. We've used like 30+ lineups. It's business as usual for Coach Spo's hardest path journey. A DND adventure wherre the main character Spo Daddy chooses the hardest path to a championship post big 3.

I don't know about you but when I see the other team get the ball to an open guy at the 3pt line I completely expect the shot to go up, when I'm watching Miami get the ball to an open 3pt shooter I feel I can flip a coin to see if they're going to shoot it or do a pump fake and then drive... only to pass it out and see the next person do the same thing. The only 3 guys I feel like that will take the open 3 is Love, Robinson, and Highsmith. Which makes me interested in seeing if there are numbers on that, and there are, but they're on my other computer... once second.

Here's the Heat player's stats sorted by % of shots that are 3s. Miami needs the roleplayers shooting more 3s since Butler shoots only a few of them and Bam just doesn't shoot any. Would love to see Herro taking a much higher percentage of 3s vs 2s.

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+-----------------+-----+----+------+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---------+
|Player           |Games|MPG |pct3pt|TS%  |2pt% |3pt% |ORTG|DRTG|NetRating|
+-----------------+-----+----+------+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---------+
|Cole Swider      |8    |4.8 |0.737 |0.605|0.8  |0.357|104 |117 |-13      |
|Kevin Love       |34   |18.3|0.682 |0.598|0.649|0.34 |124 |111 |13       |
|Duncan Robinson  |42   |28.3|0.667 |0.615|0.552|0.407|116 |117 |-1       |
|Kyle Lowry       |37   |28  |0.665 |0.582|0.506|0.385|115 |114 |1        |
|Haywood Highsmith|30   |21.4|0.589 |0.549|0.484|0.371|110 |112 |-2       |
|R.J. Hampton     |8    |9.5 |0.571 |0.336|0.5  |0.125|85  |120 |-35      |
|Josh Richardson  |35   |26  |0.536 |0.562|0.535|0.342|113 |116 |-3       |
|Dru Smith        |9    |14.6|0.515 |0.576|0.5  |0.412|118 |111 |7        |
|Nikola Jović     |17   |18.2|0.489 |0.522|0.4  |0.419|107 |112 |-5       |
|Terry Rozier     |1    |29  |0.455 |0.379|0.333|0.2  |86  |112 |-26      |
|Tyler Herro      |25   |34.2|0.434 |0.55 |0.468|0.399|105 |114 |-9       |
|Jamal Cain       |14   |14.9|0.379 |0.538|0.512|0.32 |112 |114 |-2       |
|Caleb Martin     |27   |26.8|0.342 |0.551|0.481|0.402|109 |114 |-5       |
|Jaime Jaquez Jr. |39   |30.2|0.281 |0.6  |0.576|0.353|115 |115 |0        |
|Orlando Robinson |18   |12.3|0.203 |0.606|0.511|0.583|120 |112 |8        |
|Jimmy Butler     |29   |33.7|0.154 |0.614|0.495|0.4  |126 |115 |11       |
|Thomas Bryant    |23   |10.6|0.041 |0.605|0.586|0    |115 |112 |3        |
|Bam Adebayo      |34   |35.1|0.021 |0.565|0.507|0.091|114 |110 |4        |
+-----------------+-----+----+------+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---------+

This is clearly by design.
Herro has been opened at times and has elected to pass. It’s a set play that by design he has to perform as a playmaker. I think that after the All Star games, you’ll see a more polished game and free decisions.

You'd think it would be smarter to use the facilitating PG on the court to run the plays with the superior 3pt shooter help create space. It's seemed beyond ridiculous to watch the other guard running the offense while Lowry(who's a facilitator) was used as a spacer and knowing his tendency was to pass vs shoot the 3. Once it was decided that Lowry would play mostly off ball they should have been looking to move him.

[El Alonzo scowl]

I wanted half off Papa Johns today for a cheat treat. Looking at the schedule, it won't be until February when we get a win against the Wizards. Until then, double chocolate chip brownie or chocolate chip cookie.

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Judging by DeRozan's reaction, you'd think Lowry had been traded to a gulag. But don't feel too sorry for Kyle; he can console himself at any one of these locations:

I'd be upset too if I was permanently cutoff from getting half off Papa Johns.

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Heat fans on Kyle Lowry's sign-and-trade from Toronto to Miami: "It sucked."

[Beenie]

Looking at the roster, I really like a lot of our players.
I think the talent level is considerably higher then last year.

But somehow the chemistry is very off, something isn't working. The sum is smaller then the parts.

That's usually because of :

1. coaching
2. or a bad fit between the top guys.

Coasting applies not just to the players but perhaps also to coaching.

Spo’s performance during last year’s regular season wasn’t good.

Switch flipped in the post season.

Regarding fit, either Duncan needs to be in the starting lineup or Herro needs to stylistically play like Duncan ie, run around in circles and find screens for catch n shoot opportunities.

[eddieheatfan]

We’ve been needing a real PF since Crowder and Tucker left. We got lucky to skate by last year with the small misfit 4 ball. I mean a real PF that can bang but also shoot a 3 ball.

i wonder if jaime can play at that position. i mean he is not small by any means and has excellent footwork to boot. what do you think about that since you are more knowledgeable than i