Griffin fired!- Doc Hired - Joerger likely on his way

[blazza18]

So he should have just kept Prunty as interim & ride it out?

Not sure. I think he left himself no choice but to hire Doc even though it goes completely against what he said he was looking for when he fired Bud.

[Frank Nova]

3.5yrs 40m for Doc. Good lord.

[humanrefutation]

I actually think this could work out tremendously well.

It better work out because Horst doesn’t deserve to get another coaching hire wrong. He’s already fortunate enough that Giannis is copping all the blame for wanting Griffin when it was his extensive search that put him in the top 3.

He's only really gotten one hire wrong. Bud was absolutely the right hire back in 2018, especially when coming off the stench of the Kidd era. The team went from a 7th seed that lost in the first round to the #1 seed and a win away from a Finals berth, mind you, with a lot of the same dudes.

He botched the Griffin hire and had to pivot. You can argue that Doc isn't the right guy - and I personally am not a fan of his - but it was the right move to can Griffin. If he gets Doc wrong, I'm not canning Horst over it. It's hard to find a quality coach mid-season, and frankly, I get why they'd rather try to make it work with Doc versus riding it out with Prunty.

I just hope that they'll be as aggressive with respect to Doc as they've been with Griffin. If Doc doesn't get it done, pivot and move on.

[ANTETOKOUNBROS]

3.5yrs 40m for Doc. Good lord.

The higher number is ironically a poison pill to ensure his job security. It is safe to say Doc will be navigating the Giannis/Dame era no matter what the early signs look like.

I do think it is a good match for what we need right now. We need to make sure he has competent assistants to help him avoid the tendencies that cause him to blow leads. Stotts would be great for that role. Then Dave Jaeger. Keep Prunty. That's a star cast of assistants.

[theFireBlanket]

I actually think this could work out tremendously well.

It better work out because Horst doesn’t deserve to get another coaching hire wrong. He’s already fortunate enough that Giannis is copping all the blame for wanting Griffin when it was his extensive search that put him in the top 3.

He's only really gotten one hire wrong. Bud was absolutely the right hire back in 2018, especially when coming off the stench of the Kidd era. The team went from a 7th seed that lost in the first round to the #1 seed and a win away from a Finals berth, mind you, with a lot of the same dudes.

He botched the Griffin hire and had to pivot. You can argue that Doc isn't the right guy - and I personally am not a fan of his - but it was the right move to can Griffin. If he gets Doc wrong, I'm not canning Horst over it. It's hard to find a quality coach mid-season, and frankly, I get why they'd rather try to make it work with Doc versus riding it out with Prunty.

I just hope that they'll be as aggressive with respect to Doc as they've been with Griffin. If Doc doesn't get it done, pivot and move on.

That's an extremely expensive pivot. * If they fired Doc quickly.

[pifhluk23]

3.5yrs 40m for Doc. Good lord.

Sure is nice having owners that are willing to spend.

[emunney]

I just flat don't believe we need that good a coach. Obviously we want the best of everything, there's no reason not to have it. But I think Prunty would have been fine. The top end talent is crazy dominant and naturally complementary. Just go with it, that's all. Do the simple, obvious things well and nobody will be able to do a damn thing about it.

[Milbucks96]

It’s no way I could be convinced Doc is a good coach, I think the former player reports, multiple playoff failures with different teams and players, throwing guys under he bus during and after his stints is enough to come to that conclusion. Still he’s a giant upgrade over Griffen and probably, maybe, hopefully good enough for us to get over the hump. Wish it wasn’t him honestly but I’m back to being optimistic which is way better than before.

[DingleJerry]

I'd guess barring completely ineptitude like we just saw from Griffin that Doc will get this year and next. Bud's money will be done by then too I think. Assume at least one ECF or better in those years and he's probably good after that too.

Get ready for some drama again after 25 though. Dame and Khris will be really getting up there and closer to the end of their contracts so some moves will have to be made. Possibly a new coach then or soon after too.

[jimmybones]

I just flat don't believe we need that good a coach. Obviously we want the best of everything, there's no reason not to have it. But I think Prunty would have been fine. The top end talent is crazy dominant and naturally complementary. Just go with it, that's all. Do the simple, obvious things well and nobody will be able to do a damn thing about it.

This is where I'm at. I think Frank on LOB said it best: Doc is a low ceiling but high floor coach. He's probably not going to be the dude to coach circles around people and drag his team to beating superior teams. But in Boston he proved he can lead an elite group. We have an elite group and simply not **** ourselves with dumb schemes may be enough.

[engelmartin]

Damnit if we had just waited one day we could have had Wes Unsold

[yannisk]

I watched many analysts/players talking about the Rivers hire. I got depressed, everybody thinks we made a colossal mistake. Some are a bit diplomatic and they don't say it clearly but that's what they imply. Rivers is going to be our coach for 2-3 seasons at least, let's hope we don't waste the Giannis/Dame/Khris trio

[FrieAaron]

I watched many analysts/players talking about the Rivers hire. I got depressed, everybody thinks we made a colossal mistake. Some are a bit diplomatic and they don't say it clearly but that's what they imply. Rivers is going to be our coach for 2-3 seasons at least, let's hope we don't waste the Giannis/Dame/Khris trio

Just remember that a lot of them also think it was a mistake to fire Griffin.

[yannisk]

I watched many analysts/players talking about the Rivers hire. I got depressed, everybody thinks we made a colossal mistake. Some are a bit diplomatic and they don't say it clearly but that's what they imply. Rivers is going to be our coach for 2-3 seasons at least, let's hope we don't waste the Giannis/Dame/Khris trio

Just remember that a lot of them also think it was a mistake to fire Griffin.

yes most did, that gave me a bit of courage

[DingleJerry]

I watched many analysts/players talking about the Rivers hire. I got depressed, everybody thinks we made a colossal mistake. Some are a bit diplomatic and they don't say it clearly but that's what they imply. Rivers is going to be our coach for 2-3 seasons at least, let's hope we don't waste the Giannis/Dame/Khris trio

Just remember that a lot of them also think it was a mistake to fire Griffin.

yes most did, that gave me a bit of courage

Anyone whos watched the Bucks and doesn't see why the firing had to happen just doesn't get it. I don't watch these analyst idiots argue but I'd guess they haven't been watching. And most are ex players/coaches themselves, like Griffin, so its just rallying around themselves. basically defending themselves

[Ayt]

Three things I expect to see:

1. Lillard becoming by far the primary ball handler on non-transition possessions
2. Far higher percentage of halfcourt possessions beginning with GA screening for Dame
3. GA and Lopez camping in the post on defense to get back to an elite defensive rebounding and paint defensive team

Let’s turn our 2nd ranked offense into by far the best in the league and get our defense at least up to league average.

Lowe called out that the Bucks could go from 22nd Drtg to 17-18 based solely on just getting back in transition. So as long as the players don’t hate Doc, that’s basically a given.

Transition defense should be an immediate fix because it only requires hustle and not going for "steals" that will literally never happen. Watching that **** all year has been infuriating.

[pifhluk23]

Three things I expect to see:

1. Lillard becoming by far the primary ball handler on non-transition possessions
2. Far higher percentage of halfcourt possessions beginning with GA screening for Dame
3. GA and Lopez camping in the post on defense to get back to an elite defensive rebounding and paint defensive team

Let’s turn our 2nd ranked offense into by far the best in the league and get our defense at least up to league average.

Lowe called out that the Bucks could go from 22nd Drtg to 17-18 based solely on just getting back in transition. So as long as the players don’t hate Doc, that’s basically a given.

Transition defense should be an immediate fix because it only requires hustle and not going for "steals" that will literally never happen. Watching that **** all year has been infuriating.

Going under on the TJ McConnell's of the league should be good for a few more spots. Brook and Giannis closer to the rim another couple spots. And bam 10-15th just by not being an idiot.

[Plossum]

Doc just keeps collecting those cheques.

Gotta admire the hustle.

[Mags FTW]

I watched many analysts/players talking about the Rivers hire. I got depressed, everybody thinks we made a colossal mistake. Some are a bit diplomatic and they don't say it clearly but that's what they imply. Rivers is going to be our coach for 2-3 seasons at least, let's hope we don't waste the Giannis/Dame/Khris trio

Just remember that a lot of them also think it was a mistake to fire Griffin.

Agreed. I had the misfortune of listening to ESPN national radio and they pretty much blamed all of the defensive struggles on going from Jrue to Dame. I wanted to call in and tell them that the team gave up 123 points per game in the 3 games Dame didn't play, but they were just blabbing and not taking calls.

[MissKhriddleton]

Three things I expect to see:

1. Lillard becoming by far the primary ball handler on non-transition possessions
2. Far higher percentage of halfcourt possessions beginning with GA screening for Dame
3. GA and Lopez camping in the post on defense to get back to an elite defensive rebounding and paint defensive team

Let’s turn our 2nd ranked offense into by far the best in the league and get our defense at least up to league average.

Lowe called out that the Bucks could go from 22nd Drtg to 17-18 based solely on just getting back in transition. So as long as the players don’t hate Doc, that’s basically a given.

Transition defense should be an immediate fix because it only requires hustle and not going for "steals" that will literally never happen. Watching that **** all year has been infuriating.

Haven’t picked up on it myself, but I think Nehm was talking about how a lot of the transition problems were due to Griffin telling his guards to crash the offensive glass. Just another thing to add to the list of things we can instantly improve on by having literally anyone else on the sideline, inanimate objects included.