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Re: Griffin fired!- Doc Hired 

Post#1521 » by humanrefutation » Thu Jan 25, 2024 11:26 pm

emunney wrote:I just flat don't believe we need that good a coach. Obviously we want the best of everything, there's no reason not to have it. But I think Prunty would have been fine. The top end talent is crazy dominant and naturally complementary. Just go with it, that's all. Do the simple, obvious things well and nobody will be able to do a damn thing about it.


A bad coach can sink a very talented team - even putting aside tactics, bad coaches can cause all sorts of problems with managing your players and, in especially bad situations, can create a culture of distrust and disharmony. Griffin was a bad coach, and it was reflected in the general malaise that we saw from the players over this last month (in addition to all of the tactical issues which were evident from Day 1).

A good coach isn't going to win a title for you, but will maximize your talent more effectively. When you have high-end talent, though, a good coach's influence on winning is mitigated to a significant degree. The players win most of those games by just being so much better than their opponents.

But, I do think that a great coach could make the difference in a tight series against a well-coached, competitive opponent. Basically, coaching might be the difference between beating Miami, Boston, Indiana, or Philly in the East. It might make the difference if we go to the Finals and have to take on Denver or Phoenix or Minnesota or OKC or LAC.
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Re: Griffin fired!- Doc Hired 

Post#1522 » by rilamann » Thu Jan 25, 2024 11:32 pm

yannisk wrote:I watched many analysts/players talking about the Rivers hire. I got depressed, everybody thinks we made a colossal mistake. Some are a bit diplomatic and they don't say it clearly but that's what they imply. Rivers is going to be our coach for 2-3 seasons at least, let's hope we don't waste the Giannis/Dame/Khris trio



If the analysts had the balls to call guys like CP3, James Harden & Ben Simmons what they actually are: Chokers.

The narrative around the Doc Rivers hire would be a lot of different.
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Re: Griffin fired!- Doc Hired 

Post#1523 » by DingleJerry » Thu Jan 25, 2024 11:37 pm

Again, I'm no big Doc guy and don't think he's the greatest coach ever. But he's at least a good/competent one to have been winning like this for 20 years. Also, another quirk or not quite thing of the bashing on the 3-1 losses is that losing a 3-1 (obviously 4-3)lead is better than losing 4-1 or 2. It's not unlike like how the discussion frames it that Jordan losing before the finals is better than LBJ losing in the finals
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Re: Griffin fired!- Doc Hired 

Post#1524 » by rilamann » Thu Jan 25, 2024 11:42 pm

Doc Rivers seems like the type of guy who could get Dame to buy-in defensively.

Doc also seems like the type of guy who could get the most offensively out of Giannis & Dame.


As long as Giannis & Dame don't turn into James Harden & Ben Simmons if we're up 3-1 or 3-2 in a playoff series, we might be alright...lol.
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Re: Griffin fired!- Doc Hired 

Post#1525 » by rilamann » Thu Jan 25, 2024 11:46 pm

Plossum wrote:Doc just keeps collecting those cheques.

Gotta admire the hustle.


With Giannis & Dame as his closers in a best of 7 series, Doc might start collecting rings if he can keep getting those 3-1 & 3-2 series leads.
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Re: Griffin fired!- Doc Hired 

Post#1526 » by BuckFan25226 » Thu Jan 25, 2024 11:51 pm

rilamann wrote:Doc Rivers seems like the type of guy who could get Dame to buy-in defensively.

Doc also seems like the type of guy who could get the most offensively out of Giannis & Dame.


As long as Giannis & Dame don't turn into James Harden & Ben Simmons if we're up 3-1 or 3-2 in a playoff series, we might be alright...lol.



We don't need Dame to buy in defensively until he needs to. Late in games and in the playoffs.

And he will.
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Re: Griffin fired!- Doc Hired 

Post#1527 » by GoldenAntlers » Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:07 am

That's called a Doctor's Bag.

I'm warming up to the idea. Would love to see Doc prove everyone wrong.
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Re: Griffin fired!- Doc Hired 

Post#1528 » by paulpressey25 » Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:48 am

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Re: Griffin fired!- Doc Hired 

Post#1529 » by theFireBlanket » Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:48 am

https://sixerswire.usatoday.com/2023/10/04/sixers-danuel-house-jr-explains-difference-between-nick-nurse-doc-rivers/

Two days in training camp, Danuel House Jr. explained what a Nurse practice has been like.

“Great,” said House Jr. “I mean, breaking everything down, working with guys, taking his time teaching us new things, and giving us confidence. So it’s been great for the last, I would say, 48 hours for all of us.”

House Jr., in his second season in Philadelphia, was asked to describe the differences between the two coaches. The veteran out of Texas A&M went on to discuss what he views are two different coaching styles.

“It’s just a lot more selfless basketball,” House Jr. explained. “It’s not so much of two guys having a ball. Doc is two guys, ball dominant. Nick Nurse is everybody play together. Everybody works with each other. Help, cuts, get your brother open shots. You can see the difference night and day.”

It is true the Sixers ran a lot of pick-and-roll under Rivers, and why not? Joel Embiid and James Harden nearly ran it to perfection.


Hopefully Gleeson & Prunty stick, along with bringing in Joerger. Ball movement is crucial, as great a combo Dame & Giannis are.
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Re: Griffin fired!- Doc Hired 

Post#1530 » by blazza18 » Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:56 am

When Bud gets a new gig I need to know if they're going to cope with his issues being our current players being chokers or not?
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Re: Griffin fired!- Doc Hired 

Post#1531 » by tedbrogen » Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:22 am

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Lowe called out that the Bucks could go from 22nd Drtg to 17-18 based solely on just getting back in transition. So as long as the players don’t hate Doc, that’s basically a given.


Transition defense should be an immediate fix because it only requires hustle and not going for "steals" that will literally never happen. Watching that **** all year has been infuriating.

Haven’t picked up on it myself, but I think Nehm was talking about how a lot of the transition problems were due to Griffin telling his guards to crash the offensive glass. Just another thing to add to the list of things we can instantly improve on by having literally anyone else on the sideline, inanimate objects included.


This is most definitely part of the issue. Beas talked about how he was given the greenlight to crash the glass whenever he wanted. Sounded like there was no structure in place about when to and when to not crash.
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Re: Griffin fired!- Doc Hired 

Post#1532 » by DutchManDanFan » Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:27 am

I see many positive posts about the Doc hiring.
Optimists win I guess. :D
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Re: Griffin fired!- Doc Hired 

Post#1533 » by LedZepp007 » Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:27 am

Doc is neither bad nor good. He’s pretty average, definitely has warts. Also has strengths. Joeger would be huge


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Re: Griffin fired!- Doc Hired 

Post#1534 » by soboMP3 » Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:47 am

theFireBlanket wrote:https://sixerswire.usatoday.com/2023/10/04/sixers-danuel-house-jr-explains-difference-between-nick-nurse-doc-rivers/

Two days in training camp, Danuel House Jr. explained what a Nurse practice has been like.

“Great,” said House Jr. “I mean, breaking everything down, working with guys, taking his time teaching us new things, and giving us confidence. So it’s been great for the last, I would say, 48 hours for all of us.”

House Jr., in his second season in Philadelphia, was asked to describe the differences between the two coaches. The veteran out of Texas A&M went on to discuss what he views are two different coaching styles.

“It’s just a lot more selfless basketball,” House Jr. explained. “It’s not so much of two guys having a ball. Doc is two guys, ball dominant. Nick Nurse is everybody play together. Everybody works with each other. Help, cuts, get your brother open shots. You can see the difference night and day.”

It is true the Sixers ran a lot of pick-and-roll under Rivers, and why not? Joel Embiid and James Harden nearly ran it to perfection.


Hopefully Gleeson & Prunty stick, along with bringing in Joerger. Ball movement is crucial, as great a combo Dame & Giannis are.
Sounds like that team should be well ahead of us in the standings.
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Re: Griffin fired!- Doc Hired 

Post#1535 » by theFireBlanket » Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:50 am

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theFireBlanket wrote:https://sixerswire.usatoday.com/2023/10/04/sixers-danuel-house-jr-explains-difference-between-nick-nurse-doc-rivers/

Two days in training camp, Danuel House Jr. explained what a Nurse practice has been like.

“Great,” said House Jr. “I mean, breaking everything down, working with guys, taking his time teaching us new things, and giving us confidence. So it’s been great for the last, I would say, 48 hours for all of us.”

House Jr., in his second season in Philadelphia, was asked to describe the differences between the two coaches. The veteran out of Texas A&M went on to discuss what he views are two different coaching styles.

“It’s just a lot more selfless basketball,” House Jr. explained. “It’s not so much of two guys having a ball. Doc is two guys, ball dominant. Nick Nurse is everybody play together. Everybody works with each other. Help, cuts, get your brother open shots. You can see the difference night and day.”

It is true the Sixers ran a lot of pick-and-roll under Rivers, and why not? Joel Embiid and James Harden nearly ran it to perfection.


Hopefully Gleeson & Prunty stick, along with bringing in Joerger. Ball movement is crucial, as great a combo Dame & Giannis are.
Sounds like that team should be well ahead of us in the standings.


They did lose Oubre JR early in the year, after the hit & run. For about a month? After he had a hot start.
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Re: Griffin fired!- Doc Hired 

Post#1536 » by soboMP3 » Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:51 am

I’m just saying. We talented ourselves to 30-13 with awful basketball/coaching. Mastermind Nurse has those guys just behind us?!
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Re: Griffin fired!- Doc Hired 

Post#1537 » by Profound23 » Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:53 am

I've heard Doc, JVG, Mark Jackson, Stan....and all the other ex coaches "if I'm their coach Giannis isn't shooting any threes" and "If I'm their coach I'd force Giannis to speed his free throws up."


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Re: Griffin fired!- Doc Hired 

Post#1538 » by MickeyDavis » Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:55 am

I can see Joerger being brought in if they can work it out. But I bet the rest of the staff will remain intact, Doc can retool the bench before next season.
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Post#1539 » by Packbuckman » Fri Jan 26, 2024 3:10 am

I was watching local news and on sports heard Doc talk about bucks team and he said the D is fine it’s the offense that needs fixing. Also said Dame ain’t happy with how offense is run and he's trying to hard to fit in and Giannis trying to score to much needs to rim run and screen roll more
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Re: Griffin fired!- Doc Hired 

Post#1540 » by Daver » Fri Jan 26, 2024 3:19 am

Packbuckman wrote:I was watching local news and on sports heard Doc talk about bucks team and he said the D is fine it’s the offense that needs fixing. Also said Dame ain’t happy with how offense is run and he's trying to hard to fit in and Giannis trying to score to much needs to rim run and screen roll more



Holy hell he said what the D is fine he needs to go take a piss test he thinks that he has a serious drug problem

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