2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas, Part 4

[spree2kawhi]

Harrison Barnes, wow.

[WaltFrazier]

Fournier + Grimes for Derozan
Worth the risk and the chance to go deep in the PO this year.

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I’d love it. It’s because Brunson can shoot. So with the ball in DeRozan’s hand, Brunson remains a threat, but he can coast a little sometimes. DeRozan is a great player and he would also take the ball out of Randle’s hands. Randle as a finisher and catch & shoot guy (if he insists on shooting outside shots) is better than Randle dribbling the ball. DeRozan could also lead the second unit at point guard, even though he’d start too. I think it makes a lot of sense, even though Bridges would be a lot better obviously.

Yeah, several games when there were scoring droughts, not last night obviously, I've thought a professional scorer like Demar would be helpful here.

[spree2kawhi]

I mean, come on, this is an awesome team too:

Irving
THJr/Grimes
Williams
Randle
Robinson/Lively

[Dave DaButcher]

Zach Lowe on the bench deficiencies, supporting the need for another back-up PG:

Spoiler:

8. The new-look New York Knicks bench

Even after destroying the Nuggets Thursday, the Knicks are minus-3 in 66 minutes with their new-look bench quartet of Miles McBride, Quentin Grimes, Josh Hart and Precious Achiuwa on the floor. (Tom Thibodeau has been trying OG Anunoby as the lone starter on reserve-heavy units.)

Everything is clunky and station-to-station. McBride is a solid backup -- he's shooting 46.6% on 3s -- but he's a little overmatched orchestrating an entire NBA offense right now. There have been stints in which just bringing the ball up is an adventure. No one else in that group is really qualified to run the show. Watch the four New York players off the ball on trips when McBride (or whoever has it) struggles to get the Knicks into anything. A couple have not been able to hide their frustration. There has been some dramatic shrugging and shoulder-sagging.

That's a telltale sign that something has to change. Maybe that change is this group gelling with time. More likely for now, it's Thibodeau staggering Brunson and Randle so that one is almost always on the floor. Beyond that, expect the Knicks to search the trade and buyout markets for another ball handler.

The Knicks look *awesome* with Anunoby. They are plus-100 in 211 minutes with Brunson, Randle, Anunoby, and the scorching Donte DiVincenzo on the floor. They are only two games back of Philly for the No. 3 spot, which would give them a chance -- provided they win a first-round series, no given in the reloaded East -- to avoid Boston until the conference finals. New York would be underdogs in round two against either Milwaukee or the Sixers in this scenario, they are good enough to upset either. And if the seeds stick where they are now, the Cavs better brace themselves for a rematch with the team who bludgeoned them into surrender last season.

[HopelessKnick]

Is the Lakers-Hawks holdup really only due to them not finding a team that is willing to take on Russell? The guy is playing a pretty solid season, shooting Brunson-like percentages. The Hawks are rumored to want an expiring contract and 2 picks. It seems as if the Lakers are offering the kid they took at 17 in last year's draft and the 29 pick. Wouldn't it make sense for us to swoop in and give the Hawks Fournier and take on Russell , essentially for nothing and he is a FA next season again?

Russell is averaging 17points/6assists on 48% from the field and 42% from 3. The upside would be that he would cost next to nothing, the downside he would disrupt the stalwart defense.

[iLLmatic860]

Is the Lakers-Hawks holdup really only due to them not finding a team that is willing to take on Russell? The guy is playing a pretty solid season, shooting Brunson-like percentages. The Hawks are rumored to want an expiring contract and 2 picks. It seems as if the Lakers are offering the kid they took at 17 in last year's draft and the 29 pick. Wouldn't it make sense for us to swoop in and give the Hawks Fournier and take on Russell , essentially for nothing and he is a FA next season again?

Russell is averaging 17points/6assists on 48% from the field and 42% from 3. The upside would be that he would cost next to nothing, the downside he would disrupt the stalwart defense.

I feel like players like Bron are able to keep a guy like Dlo in check

Dlo will go back to bad habits without him.

[G_K_F]

If we’re 2 games back of the 3 spot then make a move to improve the bench without sacrificing too much. And then let’s hope we get someone like Hayward in the buyout market.

Brogdon and Hayward. 2 major injury risks but when healthy they are both efficient and solid veteran players.

Then keep your assets for a major move this summer.

[HopelessKnick]

Is the Lakers-Hawks holdup really only due to them not finding a team that is willing to take on Russell? The guy is playing a pretty solid season, shooting Brunson-like percentages. The Hawks are rumored to want an expiring contract and 2 picks. It seems as if the Lakers are offering the kid they took at 17 in last year's draft and the 29 pick. Wouldn't it make sense for us to swoop in and give the Hawks Fournier and take on Russell , essentially for nothing and he is a FA next season again?

Russell is averaging 17points/6assists on 48% from the field and 42% from 3. The upside would be that he would cost next to nothing, the downside he would disrupt the stalwart defense.

I feel like players like Bron are able to keep a guy like Dlo in check

Dlo will go back to bad habits without him.

You mean as a trouble maker or on court?

[HopelessKnick]

If we’re 2 games back of the 3 spot then make a move to improve the bench without sacrificing too much. And then let’s hope we get someone like Hayward in the buyout market.

Brogdon and Hayward. 2 major injury risks but when healthy they are both efficient and solid veteran players.

Then keep your assets for a major move this summer.

I would go as far as saying that if we add Brogdon and Hayward and Mitch and Isiah are fit for the playoffs we can likely beat anybody. Boston may still be slightly ahead but I would have confidence in our chances against any team.

[cgf]

It's time to call the Bulls bluff and offer them both our 24 FRPs for Caruso.

Here’s what I keep going back to:

Any of these guards we’re talking about getting would take most, if not all, of Grimes and Deuce’s minutes.

Like Caruso, Brogdon, Clarkson, Brown, Burks etc would essentially take the backup PG and SG spots from them.

So whats the point of keeping Grimes if we get Caruso? They’re similar 3/D players. We wouldn’t give up picks for Caruso and only play him 15 mpg.

I like Grimes but it feels like we’re going to trade him to save a 1st, and because he wouldn’t play as much anyway behind these guys. We’re gonna just keep him for insurance? Thats what Deuce would be for.

Caruso isn't a scorer, but he has legit PG skills and can initiate the offense in a way Grimes & Deuce can't which I think would really help Randle & Grimes in the non-Brunson minutes...as well as giving us another strong defensive option for the closing lineup. That's why I think he would be a great fit for us.

And I don't think that would guarantee less PT for Grimes even if nobody got hurt banged up and Donte stayed hot:

Brunson 34-36 | Caruso 12-14 | McBride
DDV 20-24 | Grimes 16-20 | Caruso 8-12
Anunoby 20-24 | Hart 20-24 | Caruso 0-4
Randle 34-36 | Anunoby 12-14
RobinHart 48 | Sims/Achiuwa

Leaving Grimes around the 18mpg he's currently getting while Caruso, DiVincenzo, and Hart land in that 20-24mpg range.

[3toheadmelo]

begley saying we're interested in daniel gafford. i would not give up grimes for him though.

Washington’s interest in Grimes is noteworthy for several reasons. One of them? The Knicks have Wizards big man Daniel Gafford on their radar, sources confirm.

The interest in Gafford comes while New York is dealing with injuries to Isaiah Hartenstein and Mitchell Robinson. Earlier this month, the Knicks were optimistic that Robinson could return before the end of the regular season. Hartenstein has missed two games due to a left Achilles issue. He played with a similar ailment last season. As you’d expect, there is some concern over Hartenstein’s health and his availability moving forward.

Hence, the interest in the 25-year-old Gafford. Gafford is averaging 10 points, seven rebounds, two blocks and one steal per game in 38 starts for the Wizards.

[cgf]

Fournier + Grimes for Derozan
Worth the risk and the chance to go deep in the PO this year.

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I’d love it. It’s because Brunson can shoot. So with the ball in DeRozan’s hand, Brunson remains a threat, but he can coast a little sometimes. DeRozan is a great player and he would also take the ball out of Randle’s hands. Randle as a finisher and catch & shoot guy (if he insists on shooting outside shots) is better than Randle dribbling the ball. DeRozan could also lead the second unit at point guard, even though he’d start too. I think it makes a lot of sense, even though Bridges would be a lot better obviously.

Yeah, several games when there were scoring droughts, not last night obviously, I've thought a professional scorer like Demar would be helpful here.

I wouldn't mind DDR, but I don't think he's ready to accept a 6th man role. I think he still wants a quality starter's contract, so we'd need to give him the RJ role...starter who spend most of his time with the bench because he's a defensive liability, not the best fit next to Brundle, and because he's just not as efficient a scorer as our top 2...at least since those first 6 games that Julius was so hideously bad in.

[spree2kawhi]

Is the Lakers-Hawks holdup really only due to them not finding a team that is willing to take on Russell? The guy is playing a pretty solid season, shooting Brunson-like percentages. The Hawks are rumored to want an expiring contract and 2 picks. It seems as if the Lakers are offering the kid they took at 17 in last year's draft and the 29 pick. Wouldn't it make sense for us to swoop in and give the Hawks Fournier and take on Russell , essentially for nothing and he is a FA next season again?

Russell is averaging 17points/6assists on 48% from the field and 42% from 3. The upside would be that he would cost next to nothing, the downside he would disrupt the stalwart defense.

That’s a resounding “no” from me.

[spree2kawhi]

begley saying we're interested in daniel gafford. i would not give up grimes for him though.

Washington’s interest in Grimes is noteworthy for several reasons. One of them? The Knicks have Wizards big man Daniel Gafford on their radar, sources confirm.

The interest in Gafford comes while New York is dealing with injuries to Isaiah Hartenstein and Mitchell Robinson. Earlier this month, the Knicks were optimistic that Robinson could return before the end of the regular season. Hartenstein has missed two games due to a left Achilles issue. He played with a similar ailment last season. As you’d expect, there is some concern over Hartenstein’s health and his availability moving forward.

Hence, the interest in the 25-year-old Gafford. Gafford is averaging 10 points, seven rebounds, two blocks and one steal per game in 38 starts for the Wizards.

Yes, he’s nice, but I think we’re good. If we got him, we’d be in great position to make a big trade in the summer though.

[cgf]

begley saying we're interested in daniel gafford. i would not give up grimes for him though.

Washington’s interest in Grimes is noteworthy for several reasons. One of them? The Knicks have Wizards big man Daniel Gafford on their radar, sources confirm.

The interest in Gafford comes while New York is dealing with injuries to Isaiah Hartenstein and Mitchell Robinson. Earlier this month, the Knicks were optimistic that Robinson could return before the end of the regular season. Hartenstein has missed two games due to a left Achilles issue. He played with a similar ailment last season. As you’d expect, there is some concern over Hartenstein’s health and his availability moving forward.

Hence, the interest in the 25-year-old Gafford. Gafford is averaging 10 points, seven rebounds, two blocks and one steal per game in 38 starts for the Wizards.

Yeah, they can have their pick back for Gafford, but not Grimes...or if they help us get Caruso, we can help them get a good price for Kuzma

CHI: Kuzma
NYK: Caruso + Gafford
WSH: Ball + Fournier + Sims + WSH FRP + POR FRP + 24 NYK FRP

[3toheadmelo]

begley saying we're interested in daniel gafford. i would not give up grimes for him though.

Washington’s interest in Grimes is noteworthy for several reasons. One of them? The Knicks have Wizards big man Daniel Gafford on their radar, sources confirm.

The interest in Gafford comes while New York is dealing with injuries to Isaiah Hartenstein and Mitchell Robinson. Earlier this month, the Knicks were optimistic that Robinson could return before the end of the regular season. Hartenstein has missed two games due to a left Achilles issue. He played with a similar ailment last season. As you’d expect, there is some concern over Hartenstein’s health and his availability moving forward.

Hence, the interest in the 25-year-old Gafford. Gafford is averaging 10 points, seven rebounds, two blocks and one steal per game in 38 starts for the Wizards.

Yeah, they can have their pick back for Gafford, but not Grimes...or if they help us get Caruso, we can help them get a good price for Kuzma

CHI: Kuzma
NYK: Caruso + Gafford
WSH: Ball + Fournier + Sims + WSH FRP + POR FRP + 24 NYK FRP

i'd pass on caruso and gafford if that's the price. good players but not necessary enough for us to give up picks for them. save those picks for a star.

[cgf]

begley saying we're interested in daniel gafford. i would not give up grimes for him though.

Yeah, they can have their pick back for Gafford, but not Grimes...or if they help us get Caruso, we can help them get a good price for Kuzma

CHI: Kuzma
NYK: Caruso + Gafford
WSH: Ball + Fournier + Sims + WSH FRP + POR FRP + 24 NYK FRP

i'd pass on caruso and gafford if that's the price. good players but not necessary enough for us to give up picks for them. save those picks for a star.

Don’t think that wiz pick that may never convey and a FRP in this draft will move the needle much in any star player trade. It’s our unprotected future FRPs and maybe that Detroit pick that we’ll need to trade for a star.

[3toheadmelo]

Yeah, they can have their pick back for Gafford, but not Grimes...or if they help us get Caruso, we can help them get a good price for Kuzma

CHI: Kuzma
NYK: Caruso + Gafford
WSH: Ball + Fournier + Sims + WSH FRP + POR FRP + 24 NYK FRP

i'd pass on caruso and gafford if that's the price. good players but not necessary enough for us to give up picks for them. save those picks for a star.

Don’t think that wiz pick that may never convey and a FRP in this draft will move the needle much in any star player trade. It’s our unprotected future FRPs and maybe that Detroit pick that we’ll need to trade for a star.

eh you're still giving up 2 other picks. we might have something in sims too. fournier's contract will be needed for a star. i'll pass lol

[Snacks]

assuming Dejonte not an option...

get me Clarkson.. attempt to without giving up Grimes if you can.

Clarkson is garbage. He's even worse than Rozier and that's saying a lot.
He's a brick machine and is a door on defense.

Why on earth would you prefer him over Grimes?

b/c there is this irrational hate for a great young two way player on this board. they consider a slump he's having as regression. They consider the fact that he was benched a sign that he sucks when the reality is that the move was a fit move --- that skill and salary wise, the Knicks actually have an exellent 2 guard rotation in Ragu and Grimes.

Meanwhile the love of a bum like Hart, who has never been and will never be a better player than Grimes or IQ, oozes like throwup all over this board.

[FrozenEnvelope]

Either get Murray or Brogdon at the right price or just leave it alone. Grimey and Deucey are getting it done.