Official RJ Barrett Thread

[Riot Randolph]

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We have him driving to the rim more and not shooting long shots as much. And his FG%'s in close are way up for whatever reason.

He used to cut plenty but randle inexplicably refused to pass to him …it was infuriating, take care of my sweet prince

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easy answer, not playing with Randle.

[YogurtProducer]

RJ is definitely a core piece going forward, hometown kid who is a good scorer already. He is just a consistent 3 away from being a 25ppg guy on good efficiency.

I think Scottie will still be the best player on this team but RJ will be the best scorer, kind of like Lowry and DD.

Even when he does well, people write him off.
Damn shame.

He's a career 34% shooter. He's only 23. It's not farfetched that he can be a 37% 3pt shooter which would be very solid. Heck, he's had a season where he played a career high 72 games and knocked down 40% of his threes.

It is not farfetched, but his shot in general is in shambles.

FT - career 72% (66% here)
Career midrange - 30% from 10-16ft and 33% from 16-ft-3pt land

He just does not have a jump shot at all

[dTox]

I agree that you would want the IQ archetype next to Barnes. That said, why would you NOT want a bruising slashing shooting guard?

That's not a poor fit IMO. Is Ant Edwards a poor fit next to Barnes and IQ?

Winning teams have been built around:
Elite shooting, paint touching, good D PG
Bruising slashing SG
3&D SF
Playmaking All NBA PF
Fundamental, good passing C

This is very similiar to the Webber Kings.

Barrett can learn more counter moves like Derozan in the lane, with pump fakes, get a little stronger a little quicker, better shooter. Barrett at age 27 could be an allstar and better than Siakam ever was. If Barnes is a #1, I could see Barrett as a #2 like Paul George.

Edwards is Super Max likely. I'm really excited for Melvin Ajinca who shot 49% from 3 in the U19 tournament. Using the LAC 1st pick, he'd be cheap and controllable for many years.

Barnes is not a 1. Barrett has more tools to be a 1.

I'm sorry but what tools does RJ have to be a 1? I can't think of anything he does that is elite

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[Phish Tank]

Obviously RJ gets a runway here in the paint that he simply could not have in NY because there are simply two better finishers in Brunson & Randle. Add in Mitch over the past few seasons - who has been an integral part of the team defense AND offense - and things become even tougher around the rim. Still, he did manage to get to the line plenty as a Knick in recent seasons. He looks like he's continuing to do so now, even though his FT% has expectedly regressed.

He's fine for where you are at as a team. Once you get back to winning, that's when you can truly re-evaluate RJ and see whether he makes sense or not. I think you'll find better players and end up shipping RJ for someone that can do what - say - IQ and Scottie can't. That's the main reason RJ was traded in the first place.

[Ell Curry]

Passing good, defence bad.

[Ell Curry]

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I think modern NBA history tells us that if RJ keeps putting up decent numbers, at the very least he'll have trade value.

Washington is asking for 2 firsts for Kuzma, which probably means his value is around what we gave up for Poeltl (they too were pretending to insist on 2 firsts but ultimately happy to settle for one top 6 protected first from a team without a top 20 guy and some 2nds). And RJ is younger and less of an idiot than Kuzma, only makes like 6-7M more a year.

So, I'd guess that if RJ can keep this up, even while playing fairly bad defence, we've gone from getting Quickley, #31 and an overpaid guy for OG to getting a Quickley, couple of firsts and #31 for OG.

Wouldn't shock me if some team that has struggled to find wings like Memphis would send us a quality pick and bad money to get him, or a team with little at the 3 like Cleveland (maybe we're the 3rd team in a Donovan Mitchell deal since Cleveland would rather have a young starting 3 like Barrett than one or two of the picks being sent back) or even Sacramento which has to get some more talent at forward at some point, even if RJ isn't the most logical fit. Utah maybe too, if Ainge gets antsy and likes him as a 3 to complete a frontcourt of Barrett-Markannen-Kessler with Hendricks and Collins off the bench, sending us a first and using their other firsts to go after a guard. Or Portland, which will have no 3s once they trade Jerami Grant.

[rapsincr]

last night i think was a glimpse at bad barrett imo, consistently drove into 3 defenders with 0 plan and turned the ball over or chucked up terrible shots on multiple occasions. hes been great overall, but i think games like last night are why NYK fans soured on him.

[Johnny Bball]

Is there ever a player that some people are going to say doesn't fit? Every single time.

And RJ's salary at Knick levels? A little heavy. Barrett's salary for this level a play? A steal for 4 years.

[Scase]

last night i think was a glimpse at bad barrett imo, consistently drove into 3 defenders with 0 plan and turned the ball over or chucked up terrible shots on multiple occasions. hes been great overall, but i think games like last night are why NYK fans soured on him.

RJ without major changes to his game won't, or more apt, shouldn't be part of the team long term. What he SHOULD be, is a player who puts up stats, that other GMs will think "he's just in the wrong situation" and that we can hopefully get some useful pieces for.

[rapsincr]

last night i think was a glimpse at bad barrett imo, consistently drove into 3 defenders with 0 plan and turned the ball over or chucked up terrible shots on multiple occasions. hes been great overall, but i think games like last night are why NYK fans soured on him.

RJ without major changes to his game won't, or more apt, shouldn't be part of the team long term. What he SHOULD be, is a player who puts up stats, that other GMs will think "he's just in the wrong situation" and that we can hopefully get some useful pieces for.

ye, he definitely needs to adapt, i think hes trying for what its worth. last night definitely goes to show what RJ can look like when hes more of a focus of the opposition defense. hes looked good here so far mainly because barnes/siakam(when he was here) draw alot of attention of the defenses, along with his willingness to kick out, but last few games i think hes reverted back to more of that tunnel vision scorer that people get frustrated with.

[Dennis 37]

Is there ever a player that some people are going to say doesn't fit? Every single time.

And RJ's salary at Knick levels? I little heavy. Barrett's salary for this level a play? A steal for 4 years.

There seems to always be this dream that there is this team out there who will give up a better player for our player because they can't see the flaws we see.

For years people were on here saying OG is a turnover machine, can't dribble, blah blah blah. Now he is a superstar in NY.

People, there is only one perfect player and that is healthy Kawhi. All other players have flaws. I am enjoying RJs play as imperfect as it is.

[Dennis 37]

last night i think was a glimpse at bad barrett imo, consistently drove into 3 defenders with 0 plan and turned the ball over or chucked up terrible shots on multiple occasions. hes been great overall, but i think games like last night are why NYK fans soured on him.

RJ without major changes to his game won't, or more apt, shouldn't be part of the team long term. What he SHOULD be, is a player who puts up stats, that other GMs will think "he's just in the wrong situation" and that we can hopefully get some useful pieces for.

ye, he definitely needs to adapt, i think hes trying for what its worth. last night definitely goes to show what RJ can look like when hes more of a focus of the opposition defense. hes looked good here so far mainly because barnes/siakam(when he was here) draw alot of attention of the defenses, along with his willingness to kick out, but last few games i think hes reverted back to more of that tunnel vision scorer that people get frustrated with.

So what you are saying is that the more weaknesses a team has the harder it is for each individual to do well what they can do?

Again, when Poeltl and Quickley are back RJ will be fine. This criticism of individuals, during the temporary mess this team is in, is frankly unfair.

[rapsincr]

RJ without major changes to his game won't, or more apt, shouldn't be part of the team long term. What he SHOULD be, is a player who puts up stats, that other GMs will think "he's just in the wrong situation" and that we can hopefully get some useful pieces for.

ye, he definitely needs to adapt, i think hes trying for what its worth. last night definitely goes to show what RJ can look like when hes more of a focus of the opposition defense. hes looked good here so far mainly because barnes/siakam(when he was here) draw alot of attention of the defenses, along with his willingness to kick out, but last few games i think hes reverted back to more of that tunnel vision scorer that people get frustrated with.

So what you are saying is that the more weaknesses a team has the harder it is for each individual to do well what they can do?

Again, when Poeltl and Quickley are back RJ will be fine. This criticism of individuals, during the temporary mess this team is in, is frankly unfair.

lol, what i said is barely criticism. i even said i think hes been very good and trying to change his style of game. it was simply an observation.

[Dennis 37]

ye, he definitely needs to adapt, i think hes trying for what its worth. last night definitely goes to show what RJ can look like when hes more of a focus of the opposition defense. hes looked good here so far mainly because barnes/siakam(when he was here) draw alot of attention of the defenses, along with his willingness to kick out, but last few games i think hes reverted back to more of that tunnel vision scorer that people get frustrated with.

So what you are saying is that the more weaknesses a team has the harder it is for each individual to do well what they can do?

Again, when Poeltl and Quickley are back RJ will be fine. This criticism of individuals, during the temporary mess this team is in, is frankly unfair.

lol, what i said is barely criticism. i even said i think hes been very good and trying to change his style of game. it was simply an observation.

Probably the mention of "frustrated" that caught my eye. I am not frustrated with RJ. I am not surprised that players end up using weaker parts of their game when quality teammates are out of the lineup.

Fred, for example, relied on weaker parts of his game when we had a full lineup of players. That was frustrating.

[rapsincr]

So what you are saying is that the more weaknesses a team has the harder it is for each individual to do well what they can do?

Again, when Poeltl and Quickley are back RJ will be fine. This criticism of individuals, during the temporary mess this team is in, is frankly unfair.

lol, what i said is barely criticism. i even said i think hes been very good and trying to change his style of game. it was simply an observation.

Probably the mention of "frustrated" that caught my eye. I am not frustrated with RJ. I am not surprised that players end up using weaker parts of their game when quality teammates are out of the lineup.

Fred, for example, relied on weaker parts of his game when we had a full lineup of players. That was frustrating.

i mean i just said this version of RJ i can see NY fans being frustrated, not me personally, because overall hes been great. hes trying to change his game, which will take time no doubt, i just hope he can because hes a great player and potentially a core piece. time will tell.

[ForeverTFC]

RJ is definitely a core piece going forward, hometown kid who is a good scorer already. He is just a consistent 3 away from being a 25ppg guy on good efficiency.

I think Scottie will still be the best player on this team but RJ will be the best scorer, kind of like Lowry and DD.

Even when he does well, people write him off.
Damn shame.

He's a career 34% shooter. He's only 23. It's not farfetched that he can be a 37% 3pt shooter which would be very solid. Heck, he's had a season where he played a career high 72 games and knocked down 40% of his threes.

It is not farfetched, but his shot in general is in shambles.

FT - career 72% (66% here)
Career midrange - 30% from 10-16ft and 33% from 16-ft-3pt land

He just does not have a jump shot at all

I would go as far as to say it is far fetched. 4 years of bad shooting from everywhere on the floor vs 1 year of good shooting.

RJ was not some guy who was an afterthought on his team and is finally getting an opportunity. He’s been given tons of opportunity. This is who he is.

[SpezNc]

Random question out of curiosity:

I would like to know how RJ Barrett is announced to the crowd when he is starting .

[Boogie!]

Barrett can learn more counter moves like Derozan in the lane, with pump fakes, get a little stronger a little quicker, better shooter. Barrett at age 27 could be an allstar and better than Siakam ever was. If Barnes is a #1, I could see Barrett as a #2 like Paul George.

Edwards is Super Max likely. I'm really excited for Melvin Ajinca who shot 49% from 3 in the U19 tournament. Using the LAC 1st pick, he'd be cheap and controllable for many years.

Barnes is not a 1. Barrett has more tools to be a 1.

I'm sorry but what tools does RJ have to be a 1? I can't think of anything he does that is elite

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His body control, his footwork and his ability to generate scoring opportunities in the paint as well as drawing fouls. He doesn’t have a jumper and has Been consistently scoring 20 ppt since he’s gotten here without one. I’d say that takes an elite level skill to do that consistently and efficiently.

Again people need to watch how guys play. It goes beyond numbers. Compare how rj navigates his way in the paint to og for example. Those are skills that allows him to do what he does. Same with siakam. People used to say he only finished against smaller defenders and could only score on the post like it was a bad thing? Huh last I checked Shaq is one of the greatest of al time simply by being a dominant post presence. It’s weird to me how people still can’t appreciate or understand how much skills one has when they’re constantly watching unskilled players try to do similar things and fail.

[hyper316]

Random question out of curiosity:

I would like to know how RJ Barrett is announced to the crowd when he is starting .

RJ Maple Mamba Barrett