2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - A Rocky Start

[Calvin Klein]

Does everyone think having Beal with his contract is worth not having cap flexability and trade assets?

It’s not. You could get valuable depth and defense with the money he gets.
It’s probably not as simple though but then again…I didn’t like any of the moves they made, expect the Ayton trade.

The original sin was the price of the KD trade. They really painted themselves in the corner with that - I'm not fully sure they weren't reeeeaaaallllyyyy close to it beforehand with that awful CP3 contract (originaloriginal sin?) and fornicAyton situation (worst ever original sin?).
So in a way the Beal trade was a no-brainer win in my book - that also came with a price. Basically we got a queen for a cornered in useless bishop and a pawn. We HAD to trade CP3 otherwise we'd be in hell right now, PLUS we got rid of Shamet. We had no other suitors for CP3, and damn sure noone lined up to get Shamet. If I look at all the available info there and fully realize the situation I'm already in, I make that trade 100 times out of 100. Even in hindsight. It made sense, and it worked out - and the "risk" of no flexibility was true beforhand as well, only in a worse situation with GrandPauls corpse on a 40 mill contract and Shamet taking up valuable oxygen on the bench, while also stealing 10 million dollars in broad daylight.

Now the price and the timing of the KD trade was a debacle, no matter how you slice it. Brooklyn had no leverage, we only would have had to wait for a couple of days to lower the price most likely - or up until the offseason in a worst case scenario. A true fckup of epic proportions.

CP could have been released after this year though. Wouldn't that help making moves to improve depth? I do agree with you about the KD trade.

[SunsRback4Good]

Nuggets, Clippers, T-Wolves, Thunder in that particular order BW.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Anyone have an idea of what Pat Williams pricetag might be if the Bulls end up having a fire sale? I know that they are looking for two 1sts in return for Caruso due to all the recent interest. I'd love to have Caruso, but not at the expense of Allen if any way possible for that not to be the case.


But isn't PWill still a really good young defender with upside? If he can be had for maybe Little/ Watanabe/ Eubanks and maybe 2 2nds or something, wouldn't he be a reasonable pivot from Bridges who isn't really coming here anyways ( which I'm fine with) because he's better off resigning with the Hornets and can then be traded with his bird rights to some other team that'll give up better assets than we have anyways.

I I just don't see it happening honestly. But do think there's other options out there to still be considered. Maybe like..................... Orlando (Little is from Florida) and played ball there too!
Could we maybe do something like Little/ Bates/ Diop/ Metu or Eubanks/ 2 2nds for Okeke/ Bidatze/ Houston type of deal?? We can switch out Metu for Watanabe to give them another ( theoretical) shooter if necessary.

Don't know about the front office but Bulls fans are encouraged by Williams growth this year. They don't have any delusions about his potential anymore so now as a role player they're content if he can just be solid. His value probably is not close to Caruso, probably not even a first rounder but given his age (like 22 I think) there isnt much reason for them to trade him.

Bitadze would be a sneaky get. He is actually better than two of the guys in the rotation ahead of him (Mo Wagner and WCJ) but the Magic, or at least the coaching staff, have not realized that yet .

Yeah, I hear you man. For P Williams, I'd at least ask though just in case they might look towards a full rebuild. Although it's not like two 2nds would likely sway the significantly either way. But I'd still explore the possibility. I do really like Bidatze too as an under the radar similar player to Nurkic, Only maybe a bit quicker and more athletic. Although not really a solid rim protector, but solid just the same for depth. As for the salary fillers required in Okeke and Houston, Okeke is a good positional defender with solid lateral mobility and is aggressive in the passing lanes and on recovery in the pick n roll. He's not anything to write home about, but still supposedly solid. Houston for me, is a similar archetype to what cam Johnson provided for us with equitable size and sneaky athleticism. And I think his skillset can track similarly to what we gave up in CamJo. I wouldn't want to put up more than two 2nds, BECAUSE I'd have intent on using the other two 2nds and our exceptions in one of two trade deals. Either a Philly deal for KJ Martin Jr/ Beverly OR for KJ Martin Jr/ Oubre? Then see if a decent guard option hits the buyout market??

[sunskerr]

Anyone have an idea of what Pat Williams pricetag might be if the Bulls end up having a fire sale? I know that they are looking for two 1sts in return for Caruso due to all the recent interest. I'd love to have Caruso, but not at the expense of Allen if any way possible for that not to be the case.


But isn't PWill still a really good young defender with upside? If he can be had for maybe Little/ Watanabe/ Eubanks and maybe 2 2nds or something, wouldn't he be a reasonable pivot from Bridges who isn't really coming here anyways ( which I'm fine with) because he's better off resigning with the Hornets and can then be traded with his bird rights to some other team that'll give up better assets than we have anyways.

I I just don't see it happening honestly. But do think there's other options out there to still be considered. Maybe like..................... Orlando (Little is from Florida) and played ball there too!
Could we maybe do something like Little/ Bates/ Diop/ Metu or Eubanks/ 2 2nds for Okeke/ Bidatze/ Houston type of deal?? We can switch out Metu for Watanabe to give them another ( theoretical) shooter if necessary.

Don't know about the front office but Bulls fans are encouraged by Williams growth this year. They don't have any delusions about his potential anymore so now as a role player they're content if he can just be solid. His value probably is not close to Caruso, probably not even a first rounder but given his age (like 22 I think) there isnt much reason for them to trade him.

Bitadze would be a sneaky get. He is actually better than two of the guys in the rotation ahead of him (Mo Wagner and WCJ) but the Magic, or at least the coaching staff, have not realized that yet .

Yeah, I hear you man. For P Williams, I'd at least ask though just in case they might look towards a full rebuild. Although it's not like two 2nds would likely sway the significantly either way. But I'd still explore the possibility. I do really like Bidatze too as an under the radar similar player to Nurkic, Only maybe a bit quicker and more athletic. Although not really a solid rim protector, but solid just the same for depth. As for the salary fillers required in Okeke and Houston, Okeke is a good positional defender with solid lateral mobility and is aggressive in the passing lanes and on recovery in the pick n roll. He's not anything to write home about, but still supposedly solid. Houston for me, is a similar archetype to what cam Johnson provided for us with equitable size and sneaky athleticism. And I think his skillset can track similarly to what we gave up in CamJo. I wouldn't want to put up more than two 2nds, BECAUSE I'd have intent on using the other two 2nds and our exceptions in one of two trade deals. Either a Philly deal for KJ Martin Jr/ Beverly OR for KJ Martin Jr/ Oubre? Then see if a decent guard option hits the buyout market??

If you can get Bitadze for a 2nd you do it. Same with KJ. Those two are far more valuable for us than just only Patrick Williams. But Patrick Williams is probably better than KJ Martin, so if Williams is available for a second as well you get him instead of KJ. But until there is chatter about Williams I wouldnt waste time thinking about him. Just don't see why the Bulls bother.

Bitadze is the best player of the bunch by a country mile. Last I checked he's been very good defensively so he would be an upgrade to Nurkic defensively, and is also strictly better than Eubanks. Can get you a bunch of boards and block some shots. Not sure about rim protection stats/ DFG% in particular but on the whole he's been good.

[schnakenpopanz]

The biggest problem and flaw of the entire James Jones era was not developing an order to built a contender via trades. That went very well.
He started 17-18

records:
2017-18 21-61
2018-19 19-63
2019-20 34-39
2020-21 51-21
2021-22 64-18
2022-23 45-37

Taht is a remarkable turnaround, BUT at what price and what did he miss out on is the question.
Obviously not draftin Doncic is and was a huge mistake.

But lets look at the drafts in this era:
2017 --> Josh Jackson (BUST)
2018 --> Ayton (missed out on Doncic, but the success with Ayton and the other core was remakable, the big blunder comes later)
2018 --> Mikal Bridges (huge W)
2020 --> missed out on Haliburton, that's abigger mistake than Doncic for me, because of fit. Haliburton would have been epic with Booker and we would have a pg of the future, might not have traded for durant etc.

Draft does not play a role for this GM and that is the biggest problem of the suns right now, because then you limit yourself to trade options with young players others may want or you might use instead of the Eubanks' and Bates-Diops of this league. This growth was not organic they put all the eggs in one basket and likely will miss out on the big prize

[Ghost of Kleine]

https://www.fresnobee.com/sports/nba/article284800111.html

NBA Insider: 76ers’ KJ Martin ‘Available’ Ahead of Deadline
BY DECLAN HARRIS- SPORTS ILLUSTRATED - PHILADELPHIA 76ERS NEWS, ANALYSIS AND MORE UPDATED JANUARY 28, 2024 1:10 PM

As it stands, the Philadelphia 76ers have yet to make a move ahead of the trade deadline ever since their initial move made at the beginning of the season that sent James Harden to the Los Angeles Clippers. Yet, according to recent rumors from NBA Insider Marc Stein, Philadelphia is willing to trade away one of the players they received from the Clippers in the Harden deal; K.J. Martin. "Philadelphia swingman K.J. Martin has been made available in advance of the trade deadline," wrote Stein. Since arriving in Philadelphia, the 23-year-old hasn't gotten the most consistent playing time, appearing in 25 games, as he serves as a deep reserve option behind Tobias Harris, Kelly Oubre Jr, and Nicholas Batum amongst others. In the game time that the third-year guard has seen, he hasn't put up the flashiest of stat lines, averaging 1.5 points per game. This is a far cry from what Martin was averaging in Houston a season ago when he was receiving more game time, putting up 12 points per game on 56 percent shooting in that stretch.

In exchange for Martin, Stein notes that the Sixers would want something close to a 'quality second-round pick'. "Word is that the 76ers are looking for a quality second-round pick in a potential deal," explained Stein. Given that the Sixers have been tied to several players, with the likes of Dejounte Murray, Zach Lavine, and most recently Tyus Jones, it might not come as a surprise to see Martin's name featured as a part of any potential packages.

So for the low cost of a "quality 2nd round pick we can add a very athletic, solid rim protecting wing with room to grow (under Vogel) defensively. He's also a decent and willing passer, BUT I personally think he could really take a leap defensively in our system and playing an established role under a defensive coach like vogel considering his athletic ability. I also think his greatest value to us could be his high end energy and electrifying athleticism and tenacity that could really energize our team when we become passive!

[Bogyo]

It’s not. You could get valuable depth and defense with the money he gets.
It’s probably not as simple though but then again…I didn’t like any of the moves they made, expect the Ayton trade.

The original sin was the price of the KD trade. They really painted themselves in the corner with that - I'm not fully sure they weren't reeeeaaaallllyyyy close to it beforehand with that awful CP3 contract (originaloriginal sin?) and fornicAyton situation (worst ever original sin?).
So in a way the Beal trade was a no-brainer win in my book - that also came with a price. Basically we got a queen for a cornered in useless bishop and a pawn. We HAD to trade CP3 otherwise we'd be in hell right now, PLUS we got rid of Shamet. We had no other suitors for CP3, and damn sure noone lined up to get Shamet. If I look at all the available info there and fully realize the situation I'm already in, I make that trade 100 times out of 100. Even in hindsight. It made sense, and it worked out - and the "risk" of no flexibility was true beforhand as well, only in a worse situation with GrandPauls corpse on a 40 mill contract and Shamet taking up valuable oxygen on the bench, while also stealing 10 million dollars in broad daylight.

Now the price and the timing of the KD trade was a debacle, no matter how you slice it. Brooklyn had no leverage, we only would have had to wait for a couple of days to lower the price most likely - or up until the offseason in a worst case scenario. A true fckup of epic proportions.

CP could have been released after this year though. Wouldn't that help making moves to improve depth? I do agree with you about the KD trade.

Not really, we'd still be capped out with the KD+Book contract and Ayton (or whatever we got for Ayton). On the hook no matter what - this way we got Beal. So the question was more like: capped out with Beal or withouth Beal plus CP3 and Shamet - AND knowingly waste one of the last prime KD years. Again, I take the prior 100 times out of a 100.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Don't know about the front office but Bulls fans are encouraged by Williams growth this year. They don't have any delusions about his potential anymore so now as a role player they're content if he can just be solid. His value probably is not close to Caruso, probably not even a first rounder but given his age (like 22 I think) there isnt much reason for them to trade him.

Bitadze would be a sneaky get. He is actually better than two of the guys in the rotation ahead of him (Mo Wagner and WCJ) but the Magic, or at least the coaching staff, have not realized that yet .

Yeah, I hear you man. For P Williams, I'd at least ask though just in case they might look towards a full rebuild. Although it's not like two 2nds would likely sway the significantly either way. But I'd still explore the possibility. I do really like Bidatze too as an under the radar similar player to Nurkic, Only maybe a bit quicker and more athletic. Although not really a solid rim protector, but solid just the same for depth. As for the salary fillers required in Okeke and Houston, Okeke is a good positional defender with solid lateral mobility and is aggressive in the passing lanes and on recovery in the pick n roll. He's not anything to write home about, but still supposedly solid. Houston for me, is a similar archetype to what cam Johnson provided for us with equitable size and sneaky athleticism. And I think his skillset can track similarly to what we gave up in CamJo. I wouldn't want to put up more than two 2nds, BECAUSE I'd have intent on using the other two 2nds and our exceptions in one of two trade deals. Either a Philly deal for KJ Martin Jr/ Beverly OR for KJ Martin Jr/ Oubre? Then see if a decent guard option hits the buyout market??

If you can get Bitadze for a 2nd you do it. Same with KJ. Those two are far more valuable for us than just only Patrick Williams. But Patrick Williams is probably better than KJ Martin, so if Williams is available for a second as well you get him instead of KJ. But until there is chatter about Williams I wouldnt waste time thinking about him. Just don't see why the Bulls bother.

Bitadze is the best player of the bunch by a country mile. Last I checked he's been very good defensively so he would be an upgrade to Nurkic defensively, and is also strictly better than Eubanks. Can get you a bunch of boards and block some shots. Not sure about rim protection stats/ DFG% in particular but on the whole he's been good.

For sure! The Bulls would likely only decide to make him available if they finally decided that he's really not lived up to his hype as a top 5 pick in the 2020 draft and they would rather take a flier on another young prospect with a potentially better ceiling/ outcome and also understanding that he dos want/ expect a big payday on his next deal! They also might look for a better overall fit if they instad opt to try and contend (which I don't see happening).

I wholeheartedly agree with you on exchanging a 2nd for either KJ Martin Jr or Bidatze without hesitation. I actually think that you could possibly pry Bidatze away from Orlando for a young wing like Little who grew up in florida and played in Orlando along with a decent replacement center prospect Maybe Azubuike? Or if they'd prefer Metu? Heck, I'd even throw in Watanabe with 2 2nds (no more than that) to get Bidatze and Houston back!! Chuma would just be a salary filler that could be a decent switchable positional defender at low cost.

[lilfishi22]

Does everyone think having Beal with his contract is worth not having cap flexability and trade assets?

Yes, I would rather have no cap flexibility/trade assets and Beal than minimal cap flexibility/trade assets and no Beal.

[lilfishi22]

Does everyone think having Beal with his contract is worth not having cap flexability and trade assets?

It’s not. You could get valuable depth and defense with the money he gets.
It’s probably not as simple though but then again…I didn’t like any of the moves they made, expect the Ayton trade.

How do you get that with CP3 and Shamet?

[bwgood77]

It’s not. You could get valuable depth and defense with the money he gets.
It’s probably not as simple though but then again…I didn’t like any of the moves they made, expect the Ayton trade.

The original sin was the price of the KD trade. They really painted themselves in the corner with that - I'm not fully sure they weren't reeeeaaaallllyyyy close to it beforehand with that awful CP3 contract (originaloriginal sin?) and fornicAyton situation (worst ever original sin?).
So in a way the Beal trade was a no-brainer win in my book - that also came with a price. Basically we got a queen for a cornered in useless bishop and a pawn. We HAD to trade CP3 otherwise we'd be in hell right now, PLUS we got rid of Shamet. We had no other suitors for CP3, and damn sure noone lined up to get Shamet. If I look at all the available info there and fully realize the situation I'm already in, I make that trade 100 times out of 100. Even in hindsight. It made sense, and it worked out - and the "risk" of no flexibility was true beforhand as well, only in a worse situation with GrandPauls corpse on a 40 mill contract and Shamet taking up valuable oxygen on the bench, while also stealing 10 million dollars in broad daylight.

Now the price and the timing of the KD trade was a debacle, no matter how you slice it. Brooklyn had no leverage, we only would have had to wait for a couple of days to lower the price most likely - or up until the offseason in a worst case scenario. A true fckup of epic proportions.

CP could have been released after this year though. Wouldn't that help making moves to improve depth? I do agree with you about the KD trade.

You could take Beal off the cap right now with no CP3 or Shamet and we'd still be over the cap. So talking about his contract is weird. Book was also going to be on a supermax when we would have released CP3. His contract isn't good but it's a no brainer trade. I would have even done it if we didn't do the KD trade...for that version of Paul and Shamet. We'd have them two Bridges, Cam, more depth, all our picks, etc.

[bwgood77]

Does everyone think having Beal with his contract is worth not having cap flexability and trade assets?

It’s not. You could get valuable depth and defense with the money he gets.
It’s probably not as simple though but then again…I didn’t like any of the moves they made, expect the Ayton trade.

How do you get that with CP3 and Shamet?

You don't. I guess looking at it, we could have gotten Jordan Poole. I'd prefer Beal. Maybe we could have gotten Ben Simmons.

[lilfishi22]

It’s not. You could get valuable depth and defense with the money he gets.
It’s probably not as simple though but then again…I didn’t like any of the moves they made, expect the Ayton trade.

How do you get that with CP3 and Shamet?

You don't. I guess looking at it, we could have gotten Jordan Poole. I'd prefer Beal. Maybe we could have gotten Ben Simmons.

When the Wizards landed Poole for an old CP3, I thought they did super well and I looking ahead, it's still probably good move but I also don't think Poole in 2024 is what most people thought he'd be. I thought he was kinda overrated in GS but still a solid player but so far this season he's been terrible and not a good team guy.

Give me Beal 10 times out of 10

[Stix]

Does everyone think having Durant with his contract is worth not having cap flexability and trade assets?

Fixed that for you. This is the ACTUAL problem, not the nonsense that you and Puff talk about with Beal. We got him for second round picks and Shamet LMAO.

KD's brutal overpay is what hurts this team going forward. Also, I noticed you didn't make any of these posts during our 7 game win streak. Interesting timing here for this post.

Either way, you're wrong. VERY wrong.

Darn right we got him for CP3 and Shamet... an albatross of a contract to a guy that only plays half a season and is unproven in the playoffs.

Look at what Miami got for Lowry... Terry Rozier. Someone thats been on Suns radar since I can remember. And we wouldn't have him sucking down 46+ mil of Cap. Have at least some flexability when it comes to trades.

Not defending the KD trade, obviously gave up too much, but if you think Brad Beal is worth his contract... you're wrong. VERY wrong.

[Slim Charless]

Does everyone think having Durant with his contract is worth not having cap flexability and trade assets?

Fixed that for you. This is the ACTUAL problem, not the nonsense that you and Puff talk about with Beal. We got him for second round picks and Shamet LMAO.

KD's brutal overpay is what hurts this team going forward. Also, I noticed you didn't make any of these posts during our 7 game win streak. Interesting timing here for this post.

Either way, you're wrong. VERY wrong.

Darn right we got him for CP3 and Shamet... an albatross of a contract to a guy that only plays half a season and is unproven in the playoffs.

Look at what Miami got for Lowry... Terry Rozier. Someone thats been on Suns radar since I can remember. And we wouldn't have him sucking down 46+ mil of Cap. Have at least some flexability when it comes to trades.

Not defending the KD trade, obviously gave up too much, but if you think Brad Beal is worth his contract... you're wrong. VERY wrong.

I don't think he's worth his deal.....same with alot of NBA players. It is what it is. Now, for what we gave up for him? Nothing. I assume you're not watching these games with blinders on and can see the impact Beal has had?

If there's a choice between the 2 and we can do over either trade, I take the Beal one all day every day over the KD one, and it's not remotely close.

If I wasn't so lazy, I'd make a poll to gauge the forum on it. Maybe BW or 1 of the other mods can edit this thread and ask if they're feeling bored lol.....

For what we paid, which player would you rather have: Beal or KD?

[Ghost of Kleine]

https://burncitysports.com/2024/01/28/phoenix-suns-reportedly-express-interest-in-k-j-martin-as-nba-trade-deadline-approaches/

Suns Reportedly Express Interest in K.J. Martin as Trade Deadline Approaches
by Jacob Hardin
January 28, 2024
During his rookie season, he averaged 9.3 points and 5.4 rebounds per game.

According to NBA Insider Marc Stein, the 76ers are open to trading players acquired through the James Harden trade earlier this season, K.J. Martin is among those available. Stein added, “Word is that the 76ers are looking for a quality second-round pick in a potential deal.”

NBA insider Chris Haynes has reported that the Phoenix Suns are expressing interest in 23-year-old wing K.J. Martin, who is currently with the Philadelphia 76ers. Despite Martin’s limited playing time, averaging just 7.6 minutes per game this season, his earlier stint with the Houston Rockets showcased a more prominent role, averaging over 20 minutes per game during his first three seasons in the NBA.

During his rookie season, he averaged 9.3 points and 5.4 rebounds per game.

According to NBA Insider Marc Stein, the 76ers are open to trading players acquired through the James Harden trade earlier this season, K.J. Martin is among those available.

Stein added, “Word is that the 76ers are looking for a quality second-round pick in a potential deal.”

The Phoenix Suns, currently 6th in the Western Conference with a record of 26-19, are anticipated to be active leading up to the trade deadline on February 8th.

The trade deadline is February 8th.

Good to see that the suns have legit interest in K Mart Jr!
We could definitely use his high end athleticism, energy and tenacity/ grittiness, and his outlier rim protection ability for a 6'6 wing option. And honestly a 2nd round pick would be a very reasonable price for his still significant upside.

[Stix]

Fixed that for you. This is the ACTUAL problem, not the nonsense that you and Puff talk about with Beal. We got him for second round picks and Shamet LMAO.

KD's brutal overpay is what hurts this team going forward. Also, I noticed you didn't make any of these posts during our 7 game win streak. Interesting timing here for this post.

Either way, you're wrong. VERY wrong.

Darn right we got him for CP3 and Shamet... an albatross of a contract to a guy that only plays half a season and is unproven in the playoffs.

Look at what Miami got for Lowry... Terry Rozier. Someone thats been on Suns radar since I can remember. And we wouldn't have him sucking down 46+ mil of Cap. Have at least some flexability when it comes to trades.

Not defending the KD trade, obviously gave up too much, but if you think Brad Beal is worth his contract... you're wrong. VERY wrong.

I don't think he's worth his deal.....same with alot of NBA players. It is what it is. Now, for what we gave up for him? Nothing. I assume you're not watching these games with blinders on and can see the impact Beal has had?

If there's a choice between the 2 and we can do over either trade, I take the Beal one all day every day over the KD one, and it's not remotely close.

If I wasn't so lazy, I'd make a poll to gauge the forum on it. Maybe BW or 1 of the other mods can edit this thread and ask if they're feeling bored lol.....

For what we paid, which player would you rather have: Beal or KD?

The question was if Beal is worth having on his current contract. Not what we paid for them. Good job turning the narrative your way.

[Slim Charless]

Darn right we got him for CP3 and Shamet... an albatross of a contract to a guy that only plays half a season and is unproven in the playoffs.

Look at what Miami got for Lowry... Terry Rozier. Someone thats been on Suns radar since I can remember. And we wouldn't have him sucking down 46+ mil of Cap. Have at least some flexability when it comes to trades.

Not defending the KD trade, obviously gave up too much, but if you think Brad Beal is worth his contract... you're wrong. VERY wrong.

I don't think he's worth his deal.....same with alot of NBA players. It is what it is. Now, for what we gave up for him? Nothing. I assume you're not watching these games with blinders on and can see the impact Beal has had?

If there's a choice between the 2 and we can do over either trade, I take the Beal one all day every day over the KD one, and it's not remotely close.

If I wasn't so lazy, I'd make a poll to gauge the forum on it. Maybe BW or 1 of the other mods can edit this thread and ask if they're feeling bored lol.....

For what we paid, which player would you rather have: Beal or KD?

The question was if Beal is worth having on his current contract. Not what we paid for them. Good job turning the narrative your way.

[Slim Charless]

To answer your question, there's a ton of players overpaid in the league. Beal is 1 of them. Oh well.

[Ghost of Kleine]

https://www.theringer.com/2024/1/28/24053884/most-interesting-teams-ahead-of-the-nba-trade-deadline-joel-embiid-ducks-nikola-jokic-again

A really good discussion about the suns and the trade deadline considerations on this ringer podcast ( aproximately 36 minutes in). They bring up some intersting names as well, and one that I did forget, But is intriuging for his perfect defensive fit and rebounding capabilities and basically fits almost all of our criteria at the 3/4 spot in Jared Vanderbilt. So my question to everyone being since Miles Bridges is such a polarizing/ controversial player to even discuss in a trade for us, Would anyone actually entertain a 3 team trade that'd have:

Flakers-
Miles Bridges.

Charlotte-
Wood /Hayes / Little / LA future 2nd/ 2 Phoenix 2nds.

Phoenix-
Jared Vanderbilt/ rights to Amari Bailey OR Leaky Black??